Battle of the 9mm's.


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Hammerhead6814
November 30, 2009, 12:46 AM
Bit of a story, but there is a question in it.

I recently (a couple of weeks ago) re-acquired my old flame, a CZ-82. Long story short, the very next day (in fact less than twelve hours after I bought the CZ-82) my friend Todd gave me this call:

"Hey *******, someone posted a Sistema on Midwestguntrader.com. I've wanted one..." blah blah "... So I'm going to sell either my Sigma or my Ruger GP100 to help pay for it. If you want, I'll give you a good friend discount on either." :fire:

:cuss: !

I spent $360 total for the CZ, two extra factory magazines, and four boxes of ammo. Here he is offering two guns that I'd been mulling over for a long time and he's going to throw in a discount. If he had said anything else this frustrating I'd have gone over to his house and beat him to within an inch of his life, or kick his smart-ass cat.

He wants $325 on the Sigma, $375 on the Ruger. My price, everyone else would have to pay $25 more for either.

This made me put my CZ up for sale. But when I gave the MWGT ad's some looking over, Todd's offer stopped being my number one frustration (the others being the Chiefs and the Rams). There is a Taurus 92AF for sale, and an EAA EZ9. I've been doing some research on all of them and the results are mixed. Mostly because Glock owners love to toy with us who are heterosexual don't share their peculiar love.

I'm going to be using this pistol mainly as a range pistol. I want to hit things 20 yards away. At the same time, I want something I can use in the unlikely event that I'm put into a Self-Defense situation. Preferably something that doesn't have expensive magazines, that's where I struck-out on the CZ-82 as ALL magazines for it are $30+.

Since the CZ-82 is going to be sold tomorrow, I've got to ask, which do you guys prefer? I'm going to leave the Ruger GP100 out because it's the one thing Todd loves more than his girlfriend and I love bringing that up to spite her.

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lechiffre
November 30, 2009, 03:12 AM
i don't often write or say this:


i'd take the taurus

Jed Carter
November 30, 2009, 05:38 AM
Of your choices I would get the Taurus, if it takes the same magazines as the Beretta. As far as choices in your price range, I would look at a used CZ 75B, CZ PCR, or the EAA Witness. All take CZ magazines that can be had for around $19.95 at either http://cdnninvestments.com, or http://gregcotellc.com.

usp9
November 30, 2009, 06:00 AM
You paid $360 for a CZ82? :what:

I don't have a strong opinion of any of the three pistols, but...

If I wanted a 92fs, I'd buy a Beretta.
Not a Sigma fan,
So I guess I'd give the EAA a shot. I've never owned one, might be worth a shot (pardon the pun).

Philo_Beddoe
November 30, 2009, 08:49 AM
I said the smith because the other two have a rep for bad customer service whereas the Smith has a rep for good customer service.

Jim PHL
November 30, 2009, 09:12 AM
I prefer metal to plastic. I also have experience with Taurus. A Taurus PT99AF was the first pistol I bought N.I.B. over 20 years ago. (99 vs. 92 = adjustable sites) This was one of the "Brazilian Berettas", among the first made after Taurus bought the Beretta factory and equipment. At that time licensed concealed carry was not even a dream around here. Once I was able to legally CCW some years later, I decided for myself all my handguns should be "CCW-able", and the Taurus was sold to finance something else.

I can say that for the couple thousand rounds we were together it was 100% reliable and probably capable of more accuracy than I was able to wring out of it. Personally, I like small (not tiny) guns. If you have a want or need for something "full-sized", it's worth serious consideration.

benderx4
November 30, 2009, 09:23 AM
Strange choices you have there when there are so many better alternatives ..........

legion3
November 30, 2009, 09:28 AM
Not very good choices. I guess the Taurus.

Not a Sigma fan no matter how cheap they come or how much "better" they are now.

EAA is a good gun for the money, is that SAO?

dogtown tom
November 30, 2009, 09:46 AM
Keep the CZ.



usp9: You paid $360 for a CZ82?

Hammerhead6814: ...and four boxes of ammo.

Rock
November 30, 2009, 10:09 AM
I wouldn't pick any of them. Just my preference I guess.

Hammerhead6814
November 30, 2009, 11:05 AM
You paid $360 for a CZ82?

The CZ 82 itself was $250 after FFL, shipping, and tax. Then there were the four boxes of ammo. But what really, really shot me in the foot (pun intended) were the two extra factory magazines. I paid $45 each after tax. They're ridiculously expensive.

wally
November 30, 2009, 11:11 AM
Sigmas have been on sale around here for $299 new recently. S&W often runs rebate offers on them. Good reliable inexpensive pistol. Trigger is poor buy SA standards but pretty decent if you are used to say a Taurus DA revolver. Supurb customer service.

The Taurus PT-92 is the best pistol they make. The mags are different from the Beretta 92, but Mec-Gar makes replacements for it. Usually can be found new for ~$350 at gun shows around here. I've never need customer service from Taurus so no personal experience, heard mixed reviews. I've needed it from both S&W and EAA.

No experience with the EAA EZ9, is that a Sig clone? I don't like DA/SA operation. I like the CZ-75-like standard Witness in .45ACP but I've had magazine issues with it in other calibers. Great gun if you get good magazines, very poor customer service "we are not S&W".

--wally.

TXCleaver
November 30, 2009, 02:14 PM
Here's how I would rank it:

1. Keep the CZ
2. Keep the CZ
3. Take the Taurus, I guess
4. Go for the Ruger
5. You can get a NEW Sigma for that price around here.

rellascout
November 30, 2009, 02:19 PM
None of the above.

wally
November 30, 2009, 03:02 PM
Keep the CZ

The CZ-82 is a nice pistol (although large for its power level, roughly same as a .380) but 9mm is a significant upgrade over 9x18 in both ammo power and selection, and well worth it if self defense is in mind.

--wally.

BushyGuy
November 30, 2009, 03:07 PM
i would take the Taurus cuz its a PT92 model- all PT92 models are a very quality and accurate gun for its money.

I have a PT92C it is very accurate in SA mode. you can go SA/DA with that gun .

frankiestoys
November 30, 2009, 04:36 PM
Ive done one of these polls :rolleyes:
Sorry not enough choice's
Don't like any of them :barf:

wally
November 30, 2009, 05:28 PM
Sorry not enough choice's
Don't like any of them

The fellow wanted opinions of these three. They all suck is valid opinion, if you actually have experience that can back it up. Perhaps you will put your money where your mouth is and offer the fellow some extra cash so he can afford to buy better.

You'd need to spend probably 50% more to get better than the the Sigma or PT-92, new vs. new. As I said I've no experience with the EAA EZ9, don't even know what it costs, but I'm guessing its in the ballpark of the other two.

For range use I think the PT-92 will be a lot more fun than the Sigma because of the trigger, but the Sigma feels really good in my hand and I shoot very well with it, although the trigger does slow me down on the steel plates. I think the Sigma caries better than the PT-92 -- it fits my center console, the PT-92 is a bit too long.

--wally.

frankiestoys
November 30, 2009, 07:33 PM
The fellow wanted opinions of these three. They all suck is valid opinion, if you actually have experience that can back it up. Perhaps you will put your money where your mouth is and offer the fellow some extra cash so he can afford to buy better.

You'd need to spend probably 50% more to get better than the the Sigma or PT-92, new vs. new. As I said I've no experience with the EAA EZ9, don't even know what it costs, but I'm guessing its in the ballpark of the other two.

For range use I think the PT-92 will be a lot more fun than the Sigma because of the trigger, but the Sigma feels really good in my hand and I shoot very well with it, although the trigger does slow me down on the steel plates. I think the Sigma caries better than the PT-92 -- it fits my center console, the PT-92 is a bit too long.

--wally.
ok they all suck !
the Sigma is a pos of course thats MO. My friend owns one and hates the trigger and yes MR WALLY i fired it. It feels cheap
My experience with Taurus is limited to revolvers but my local gun shop wouldn't sell me one because he knew i hate sending it back all the time.
EAA is probably the best of the bunch but not at all my choice,maybe there 1911 would be good.
See i was trying to be nice
Buy a Ruger or a used glock.

ckone
November 30, 2009, 07:42 PM
hmmm, knock-off glock vs. knock-off beretta vs. knock-off sig... interesting.


first i'd say just find a used "real" glock, if not that then while it hurts to say it the Taurus knock-off actually has some features I like better than the 92fs (frame-mounted safety/de-cocker, cocked and locked carry if you wish...) but I know at least one Sig guy who swears his EZ is every bit as good as his Sigs, and he likes shooting it more since it's ambidextrous and he's a lefty...

I'll vote for the Taurus 92 since I put 3000 rds through one without an issue a few years ago.

Hammerhead6814
November 30, 2009, 09:23 PM
Something to think on here guys, my total budget for a handgun, after selling the CZ, is going to come to $370-$380. Christmas is coming up and the $120 I have, plus what will be left over after I figure out some payments, plus the CZ sale is what I'll have for me.

Since there isn't a Glock on MWGT.com that sells for under $400, and since there isn't a Beretta that sells for under $400, and like hell will I ever see a Sig for under $400, these "knock-offs" will do just fine.

c919
November 30, 2009, 10:11 PM
I say out of those choices, screw em'.... get the Ruger! GP100 is an awesome gun and a really fun range toy.

TXCleaver
November 30, 2009, 10:33 PM
Something to think on here guys, my total budget for a handgun, after selling the CZ, is going to come to $370-$380. Christmas is coming up and the $120 I have, plus what will be left over after I figure out some payments, plus the CZ sale is what I'll have for me.

Since there isn't a Glock on MWGT.com that sells for under $400, and since there isn't a Beretta that sells for under $400, and like hell will I ever see a Sig for under $400, these "knock-offs" will do just fine.
One option is to religiously and thoroughly search through Gunbroker and MWGB.com. I did that for weeks, as I was in a similar position as you. Sold my Kahr for not enough at the gun show, and had a limited budget. After weeks of looking, found a like-new Glock 22 for $375. Great deal (very fortunate), but they're out there sometimes.

Regardless, enjoy whatever you get. I think sometimes when you get a gun with limited funds, you appreciate and enjoy it more. Or maybe that's just me being optimistic as I wait...and wait...and wait...to get a Kimber.

ckone
November 30, 2009, 10:48 PM
Hey Hammerhead, try here: summitgunbroker.com - he almost always has quite a few glocks in your price range (worth a call since the site isn't always up to date).
Good luck! And please don't take offense to my "knock-off" comment, the taurus' are made on original beretta equipment and are as good or better... no glock though. :)

DougDubya
December 1, 2009, 12:24 AM
Taurus PT92. Best design (the Beretta 92 family) with good safety/decocker placement.

Quoheleth
December 1, 2009, 12:31 AM
My choices in order:
1. Keep the CZ82. Great gun. Yeah, a bit under powered for its weight, but with cheap ammo, it's accurate, affordable and fun to shoot.
2. Heck with it...get the Ruger. You will NOT - repeat NOT - regret having that jewel. From mild to wild, it can handle it all and in spades.
3. The Taurus. The -92/-99 is a great gun.

Sigma price is too high, as others have said.

EAAs seem to be good guns, but may God have mercy on you if you need any support. Around here, EAA's CS is at or below Taurus' level, which is already in the basement's cellar.

Q

Rock
December 1, 2009, 10:57 AM
Something to think on here guys, my total budget for a handgun, after selling the CZ, is going to come to $370-$380. Christmas is coming up and the $120 I have, plus what will be left over after I figure out some payments, plus the CZ sale is what I'll have for me.

Since there isn't a Glock on MWGT.com that sells for under $400, and since there isn't a Beretta that sells for under $400, and like hell will I ever see a Sig for under $400, these "knock-offs" will do just fine.

Why not go with a used gun that you prefer more? I just picked up a like new g19 for under $400.

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