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slicksleeve
December 3, 2009, 01:06 PM
Can someone please tell me what brand of press this is? It has a three hole setup, made to lower the dies toward the shell casing. The shell holders have a long stem that mounts into the thick steel base with a set screw. They are not like the Lee or RCBS ones I have that fit my Lee press. I also have never seen any for sale anywhere, and that is what is keeping me from using this press. It bolts to the table with four bolts that come from underneath. It also has a plastic primer feed mounted to the right hand side. It has no words on it except for the numbers "330" stamped on the very top. Where could I buy shell holders? Sorry for the poor pictures and there only being one, but that's all my cell phone and computer would allow for. Any help is greatly appreciated. Joe.

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qajaq59
December 3, 2009, 05:55 PM
It may be an ancient Herter, but other than that I haven't a clue.

David Wile
December 3, 2009, 06:59 PM
Hey Slick,

You got me on that one. I remember several different Herter's presses as well as other presses that looked like Herter's presses, but I do not remember any press like that one. I'll take a wild guess for an old Hollywood press. Surely, someone here will know what it is.

Best wishes,
Dave Wile

slicksleeve
December 3, 2009, 07:05 PM
Thanks to both of you. I can say that this thing is very well made. Standard Lee, Hornady, and RCBS dies will all screw in it, but there is no room for the lockrings to screw onto them. By the way, I've never heard of either of those brands, gonna do some googlin'.

qajaq59
December 3, 2009, 07:14 PM
Unless your an older guy you wouldn't have heard of them. They went away a long time ago. But I still have a Herter I use occasionally. That one will still work 300 years from now. :D

David Wile
December 3, 2009, 07:28 PM
Hey Qajaq59,

I have an old Welles press that is a first cousin to the Herter's massive "C" frame press, and you are certainly correct that it will still work 300 years from now. I must admit though, I don't really use it since I have two RCBS Juniors, an RCBS RockChucker, and a Hornady LNL AP. I just seem to keep it around for a conversation piece. I hope to see you next month somewhere down along Rt 27.

Best wishes,
Dave Wile

Walkalong
December 3, 2009, 07:32 PM
Nice nickle Trooper Mk III next to it, whatever it is. :)

Mal H
December 3, 2009, 07:35 PM
At first I thought it might be an old Pacific press as they were fond of the dual side post configurations. I don't think it is though due to the color and what looks like a support rod in the back. They never had one like that.

I don't think it's a Hollywood as they had a massive center post, not the side posts.

That's a stumper for sure.

qajaq59
December 3, 2009, 07:43 PM
I hope to see you next month somewhere down along Rt 27. I'll line up the fish for ya. lol

We need someone even older then me for this one. And I'm 70.

slicksleeve
December 3, 2009, 07:46 PM
Well, as far as color goes, it was completely rusted when I gave the $30 for it. I cleaned it up, I cant remember what the base color was anymore. I'll look closely and get back to you on that one after I get home. Thanks for the comment on the Colt Walkalong. I wish I could say it is mine. I have it to do some work on, the trigger is broken.

Rugg_Ed
December 3, 2009, 08:03 PM
Looks sort of like a vary old Bear, Later know as bear / pacific then just pacific that was way back.
look for some (off blue) or gray.color I think Herters were gray not sure. Nice desk top how ever!!

Mal H
December 3, 2009, 08:27 PM
Bair - could be, but like the Pacifics, I think their handles were offset to the side, not centered.

Of course it could be a one-of-a-kind home made press someone machined in their shop.

What is the metal used? Aluminum, steel?

slicksleeve
December 3, 2009, 08:53 PM
Oh, most certianly steel.

loadedround
December 3, 2009, 09:44 PM
It's definitely not an old Bair(Bear) press since I'm familiar with that old line. My first thought when I saw it was that it may be a custom made or proto type press. I am curious to who manufactured it also.

ranger335v
December 3, 2009, 11:36 PM
I haven't a clue who made that. It comes from the late 40's-50s era, well before Bair. The basic "H" principle is one used by the old CH company (it's not "C&H") that was still being sold in the mid 60s.

There were several machine shop operators that got into a reloading tool side line in those days, usually because the owners were shooters/reloaders themselves.

Buying proper shell holders would be total luck. You may find something on ebay but that's not likely.

I think your best bet would be to take it and a standard shell holder to a small machine shop and see what they would charge you to make it accept new ones.

robphillips
December 3, 2009, 11:40 PM
CH was about to be my guess also. I have one just like it.

243winxb
December 4, 2009, 10:16 AM
Deleted comment, Link to old press below.
http://www.doering.cc/dunbar.html

slicksleeve
December 4, 2009, 11:44 AM
See post #1, added pictures of the shellholder, and some of the parts dissassembled. The paint is black under the base. All the rest I stripped off with a wire brush wheel back when cleaned it up. The fellow I bought it from couldn't remember what brand it was, he thought maybe it was a Forster. He just stated very plainly that "It ain't no d***Lee!" P.S. I got a little carried away with the pictures and threw in one of some revolvers.

Mal H
December 4, 2009, 12:39 PM
The paint is black ...That's another clue that it might be a Herter's. They used a black crinkle paint on many of their presses, scales, etc. But, they also usually made their steel bases with the name "Herter's Inc. Since 1893" in raised letters cast in them. So that's one clue for and one clue against.

slicksleeve
December 4, 2009, 12:52 PM
Thank you, Mal and to all who have responded. It seems we may not put it down to any one thing in particular, but I have really enjoyed this thread and all the input from you gents. Good thing I have a Lee Turret press to keep me shooting.

Offfhand
December 4, 2009, 01:10 PM
No problem, it's a Lyman Ezy-Loader. They were made by Lyman in the 1950's and listed in the 1955 Stoeger Shooter's Bible for $35. The accessory primer feed was called the Prime-O-Matic and cost $7.50. The tool also came with a die adapter, making it usable with smaller dia. dies. Hope this tells you what you wanted to know.
Offfhand

MetalHead
December 4, 2009, 01:12 PM
I can see why it is a rare thing, there is a lot of machine work required to make the thing and castings to boot, either somebody went broke fast selling them at a loss or nobody would afford the things. The legs being drilled and blind holes tapped is just one clue, through bolts that are held with set screws? where they go through the castings is odd too. I does remind me of some projects I did in Machine Trades course I took, so it could be a one of a kind unit. I seem to remember shell holders that bolted down like that being shown in a earlys 70s Shooters Bible, another item of mine the tornado got.

Edit:: seems offfhand knows more than I do

rcmodel
December 4, 2009, 02:47 PM
Offhand said:
No problem, it's a Lyman Ezy-Loader.

We have a winner!

http://www.auctionarms.com/closed/displayitem.cfm?itemnum=8801509.0

rc

qajaq59
December 4, 2009, 02:52 PM
It could very well be the Herter if it has black crickley paint on it. Mine has that but I just dug it out and couldn't find any name on it. I bought it used in the 60s, so if yours is a Herter, it is definitely older than mine.
Now I'm dying to know what you do have though. Aren't there people that collect loading presss and have web pages for this sort of thing? People collect just about everything, so somebody has to have a page.

slicksleeve
December 4, 2009, 03:20 PM
Offhand, that told me what I wanted to know. And everybody else too! Rc, thank you for that link. Now to get shellholders and some Chevrolet Orange paint.

David Wile
December 4, 2009, 06:26 PM
Hey Offhand,

I thought I was pretty familiar with Lyman stuff even back in the 1950s, but that Lyman Ezy-Loader was a new one on me. I have all the Lyman manuals going back to 1957 or 1960, and I wouldn't be surprised to find there is a picture of an Ezy-Loader in one of the old books. If I do find a picture, then I will just hang my head in shame for not remembering the press.

Best wishes,
Dave Wile

Oyeboten
December 4, 2009, 07:51 PM
Hi Dave,


Yes indeedy...it appears to be a Lyman "EZY-LOADER".


The Lyman 'Tru-Line' had a very similar look, but was a one Station...where, of course, this is a three Station.


I have an "EZY-Loader' also, which I got in case I ever wished to re-load for .303 British or other longer Rifle Cartridges.


Very nice Press..!


Congratulations!

243winxb
December 4, 2009, 08:17 PM
Lyman Ideal "EZY-LOADER". http://i338.photobucket.com/albums/n420/joe1944usa/th_LymanIdea_20091204_1.jpg (http://i338.photobucket.com/albums/n420/joe1944usa/LymanIdea_20091204_1.jpg) http://i338.photobucket.com/albums/n420/joe1944usa/th_LymanIdea_20091204_3.jpg (http://i338.photobucket.com/albums/n420/joe1944usa/LymanIdea_20091204_3.jpg) http://i338.photobucket.com/albums/n420/joe1944usa/th_LymanIdea_20091204_4.jpg (http://i338.photobucket.com/albums/n420/joe1944usa/LymanIdea_20091204_4.jpg) http://i338.photobucket.com/albums/n420/joe1944usa/th_LymanIdea_20091204_5.jpg (http://i338.photobucket.com/albums/n420/joe1944usa/LymanIdea_20091204_5.jpg)

Otto
December 4, 2009, 08:25 PM
And the winner is....243winxb

Have you been saving that magazine for the past 50 years?

243winxb
December 4, 2009, 08:46 PM
Offfhand is the winner, not me, changed my post. Have you been saving that magazine for the past 50 years? Yes , bought it when i was about 15. Went in to my old gun shop stuff to dig it out.

Doug b
December 4, 2009, 11:13 PM
When I first seen the pics slicksleeve posted,my first thought was it sure bares a resemblance to a Lyman All-American press.Now I know why.

David Wile
December 5, 2009, 12:31 AM
Hey folks,

After seeing 243's Shooters' Bible info, I went down to the basement and looked in some old Lyman books. Sure enough, in the Lyman 46th Edition loading manual on page 16 I think, there was a picture of the Lyman Ezy-Loader and a bit of information about how great a press it was. I still have trouble realizing that I have no recall of ever seeing that press, but to tell the truth, I really did not like any of the early Lyman presses - with one exception. I always did like the convenience of the Lyman Nutcracker hand tool. I still on occasion get one out to show someone how you can load by hand without a mounted press.

Best wishes,
Dave Wile

loadedround
December 5, 2009, 09:20 AM
Those who identified that press as a early Lyman are correct. If you notice the shell holder is the older ''J" style shell holder also used on the newer Lyman Tru-Line Jr and the All American press. Way to go guys! Just an added thought...notice the 330 on that old press, wasn't the old Lyman Tong Tong a model 310? A coincidence possibly?

FROGO207
December 5, 2009, 10:40 AM
I have a Lyman cast bullet handbook from the late 40's and it shows all their reloading equipment within. As usual the membership here could not be stumped. All you (THR members) are an awesome group. Saved me from uploading pix.:p I bet the press in the OP will be in use 300 years from now also.:D

Offfhand
December 5, 2009, 12:51 PM
Not to belabor this thread, but the Lyman Ezy-Load under discussion is of particular intrest from the collection/historical standpoint. Especially as it relates to Lyman's position in the rapidly growing handloading market during the 1950's. Historically, Lyman had been a major force in reloading tools back to the 1800's. Their "tong" tool had sold by the hundreds of thousands, fitted with their then standard 5/8-30 dies. (Actually they measure 34/64" if you want to be pickey.) During the posWWII era however, larger presses and 7/8-14 dies were becoming the standard. This was a quandry for Lyman as they were still wed to their older dies, and reluctant to recognize the larger size dies. Look closely at 243's illustrated post above and you'll notice that the recommended dies for their new Ezy-Loader were their old style. Notice particularly the die "adapter" that came with the Ezy-Loader, which is significant because the Lyman folks were beginning to recognize that the larger die size was the wave of the future and in fact their new press was threaded for the larger dies, but still they were hanging on to the past and still believed they could sell their old style dies. This partially explains why, within a relatively short while, Lyman introduced and shortly dincontinued a range of different presses, the Ezy-Loader being a prime example. The reason I know this (or think I know)
is because I have the unfortunate habit of collecting and studying old loading equipment.
In my collection are quite a few of the old Lyman 310 tong or "nutcracker" tools. Which I buy whenever I find the older steel ones in original boxes. (Later models made of alumninum are of no interest to collectors) Especially, when in intresting calibers. If you aren't overly bored at this point, I'll enclose a photo of some of my old tool collection, and also tools in .22 Hornet and .218 Bee, which I still enjoy using when loading these classic calibers. Sorry this got so long.

243winxb
December 6, 2009, 02:12 PM
Loadedround, Just an added thought...notice the 330 on that old press, wasn't the old Lyman Tong Tong a model 310? A coincidence possibly? In 1925, the Lyman family purchased Ideal reloading products. Maybe Ideal went by numbers, i dont know? Later 1969 Shooters Bible shows C-H Reloading Tools having numbers of 206 and 333. The 333 was a 3 station press, different flat base, and the lever is on the bottom, but looks something like the Lyman Ideal 330. Lyman presses shown are all named models, no numbers. No expert here. Offfhand might know?? So you could be right?

rfwobbly
December 6, 2009, 04:49 PM
I don't know who made the press, but I've got a my kid's picture Bible here that shows that same press bolted to Noah's workbench in the ark. So it must be pretty old!

:D

Leverfan1
December 23, 2009, 11:31 AM
There is a Lyman 330 on one of the auctions now. What size die threads did this press come with? I am new to reloading and am thinking about an older turret, but would like to have the 7/8 threads. Thanks, Leverfan

243winxb
December 23, 2009, 12:04 PM
There is a Lyman 330 on one of the auctions now. What size die threads did this press come with? From Shooter Bible. Uses standard Ideal Dies or any other make of dies with ADAPTER which is furnished for 7/8"-14 N. F. threads. Note, Press in my photo above may not be/is not a model 330? :confused:

4D5
December 23, 2009, 12:18 PM
Looks like you have the answer.

Man that thing is beefy. Looks like it'd be strong enough to mint coins:what:

Nice to find a bit of history.

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