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warnerwh
December 4, 2009, 12:19 AM
Earlier this year I decided to get back into shooting. Sold my Xl650 years ago when I got married and we bought a house together. I knew no matter what I'd need a single stage and bought the Lee Classic Cast to get going.

I also bought the Safety Primer and Pro Auto Disk. I'd like to use them both on the Turret press. The Safety prime mounts to the Classic Cast with two screws into holes tapped for it. My question is the pictures I see of the Classic Turret show the Safety Prime mounted to a single bolt. I don't see how the mount that came with my Safety prime could work. Let me know what I'm missing please.

The Classic Turret is what I told my wife I want for Xmas. The next question will it resize 30-06 easily? I may actually sell my single stage if it will. After using the Dillon with the shell feeder I think I got spoiled. A single stage is too slow.

This year I took my daughter to shoot with me and it turns out she loves it more than either one of us imagined. She can go through the ammo too. My wife and I are both laid off so I don't want to spend more than necessary. Otherwise I'd just buy a nice progressive and keep the Classic Cast too.

When this press gets here I'd like to start using it and want to be prepared. Any other input is appreciated too. Thanks

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delta5
December 4, 2009, 01:11 AM
The mount with the two screws is for the single stage presses. You should have another mount that the safety prime drops into that bolts to the mounting bolt.

warnerwh
December 4, 2009, 01:57 AM
Thanks. I discovered you have to buy a bracket separately for the Classic Turret. Apparently I need a powder riser too. How do you like your press?

RandyP
December 4, 2009, 07:42 AM
After the initial normal tweaking, mine has been flawless for several thousand rounds now. I really like it. I too also have the Lee single stage on the bench.

One tip, keep the primer arm clean, it tends to get some gunk on it after many rounds and then you have issues as it rotates into the ram.

editingfx
December 4, 2009, 08:43 AM
the fix for RandyP's comment:
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=487686
post #23

The primer arm thing annoyed me to no end until I doped this out.

RustyFN
December 4, 2009, 12:31 PM
warnerwh if you like the safety prime and pro auto disk on the single stage then you will love it on the classic turret. I have been loading on a CT for close to four years problem free. I think it's a great press for people that don't need the output of a progressive.

The Bushmaster
December 4, 2009, 01:13 PM
If you already have the Lee Classic CAST single stage press. It is advisable to keep it. Especially if you buy the Lee classic turret. My suggestion is to get the Classic CAST Turret. I have both the classic CAST and the aluminum based Classic. The Classic Turret has a heighth problem when it comes to the longer rifle cases. The Classic CAST does not...

My Classic Turret has been relegated to the closet. And both the Cast single stage and Cast turret are mounted on my bench.

snuffy
December 4, 2009, 01:44 PM
If you already have the Lee Classic CAST single stage press. It is advisable to keep it. Especially if you buy the Lee classic turret. My suggestion is to get the Classic CAST Turret. I have both the classic CAST and the aluminum based Classic. The Classic Turret has a heighth problem when it comes to the longer rifle cases. The Classic CAST does not...

My Classic Turret has been relegated to the closet. And both the Cast single stage and Cast turret are mounted on my bench.

Correction; there's the old DELUXE turret, it's a cast ALUMINUM base, it can be either 3 hole or 4 hole turrets. Then there's the classic turret, NO CAST in that name. The classic cast is a single stage. There was apparently some confusion when lee first introduced the updated classic turret, Cabella's called it the classic cast turret. The lee came out with the classic cast single stage, Cabellas had to edit "cast" out of the turret designation.

This is the classic turret;

http://www.leeprecision.com/graphics/shoppingcart/ClassicTP.JPG

http://www.leeprecision.com/cgi/catalog/browse.cgi?1259951822.4028=/html/catalog/turretpress.html#ClassicTurretPress

Here's what lee simply calls the lee turret. It's available as or in a kit called the deluxe turret kit.

http://www.leeprecision.com/graphics/shoppingcart/%2706TurretPress.JPG

http://www.leeprecision.com/cgi/catalog/browse.cgi?1259951822.4028=/html/catalog/turretpress.html

The Bushmaster
December 4, 2009, 02:27 PM
Snuffy...Which one would YOU get...

snuffy
December 4, 2009, 03:17 PM
Snuffy...Which one would YOU get...

Ummmm, which one did I get? Well both! But not at the same time. I first bought the lee turret, the old cast aluminum one. It worked okay, just hated the primers going everywhere EXCEPT in the base where they were supposed to go.

I then bought a 650 dillon, sold the lee turret to a friend, along with 7 turrets. The 650 is a great machine, but it's a PITA to do load work-ups on. Also a caliber conversion is costly.

So now I have a lee classic turret for load work-ups and some new calibers that I don't shoot enough to justify buying a caliber conversion for the 650. I definitely advise to buy the lee classic turret. Along with it, buy the pro auto disk measure, the double disk kit, the rifle powder die, the riser, and the lee safety prime, both sizes. Set up like that, you can easily do 150-200/hour.

The Bushmaster
December 4, 2009, 04:04 PM
I use the Classic CAST single stage for decapping/resizing and priming both handgun and rifle. I use it for reloading all rifle cartridges. The Classic (corrected) Turret is use for powder charging with a Lee Auto disk, seating and crimping.

I don't load as much as 150 per hour, but I do get some quality ammunition and I'm not in that big of a hurry anyway...

warnerwh
December 4, 2009, 07:47 PM
It's interesting that the priming arm has been a problem for some people. On my Classic Cast I've had no issues but I've only loaded 7 or 800 rounds. I hope the Classic Turret doesn't have a reason why this issue is more prevalent. Fortunately it looks like the tie works but if I have the problem I'm going to figure out how to make it work properly. Things like that will continue to bother me so whatever it takes it will work right like it does on my single stage.

Landric
December 4, 2009, 07:54 PM
My Classic Turret came with the mounting bracket for the safety prime, you shouldn't need to buy any additional part.

Its a great press, but I also have, and find uses for, a Classic Cast. I suggest you keep the single stage even once you have the turret.

warnerwh
December 4, 2009, 08:25 PM
Thanks for that info as I've got everything in my cart at Midway. I'll email to make sure it's in there just in case. The Classic Cast I don't really need much as almost all my shooting is and has been with a handgun. And it just dawned on me I'm going to surprise my wife with a laptop for Xmas and the money will help.

billsnogo
December 9, 2009, 10:51 AM
Correction; there's the old DELUXE turret, it's a cast ALUMINUM base, it can be either 3 hole or 4 hole turrets. Then there's the classic turret, NO CAST in that name. The classic cast is a single stage. There was apparently some confusion when lee first introduced the updated classic turret, Cabella's called it the classic cast turret. The lee came out with the classic cast single stage, Cabellas had to edit "cast" out of the turret designation.

This is the classic turret;

http://www.leeprecision.com/graphics/shoppingcart/ClassicTP.JPG

http://www.leeprecision.com/cgi/catalog/browse.cgi?1259951822.4028=/html/catalog/turretpress.html#ClassicTurretPress

Here's what lee simply calls the lee turret. It's available as or in a kit called the deluxe turret kit.

http://www.leeprecision.com/graphics/shoppingcart/%2706TurretPress.JPG

http://www.leeprecision.com/cgi/catalog/browse.cgi?1259951822.4028=/html/catalog/turretpress.html
So which of the two is the one that has problems with primers and longer rifle cases? :uhoh:

RandyP
December 9, 2009, 12:26 PM
The Lee Deluxe Turret does not have the VERY nice clear plastic tube to catch the spent primers thru the hollow ram. I have the feature on both my 50th Anniv single stage and my Classic turret. IMHO it is a REALLY handy thing indeed
.

Jumping Frog
December 9, 2009, 02:21 PM
You can get the Lee Pro-1000 progressive press setup for a caliber cheaper than you can get a Lee Classic Cast Turret.

delta5
December 9, 2009, 02:43 PM
Here is a picture of my Lee Classic Cast turret press, with all the accessories..

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y127/delta5/img002.jpg


And here is a link to a video of it in action...

http://www.leeprecision.com/html/HelpVideos/videos/Turret%20Press/loading%20on%20turret-1.wmv

This is a pretty slick setup for the money. I can reload anything I want with it and it turns out decent results. I will eventually buy a single stage press like the Lee Challenger or the Reloader for my bench. You cant go wrong with this turret press IMO..

hddeluxe
December 9, 2009, 02:43 PM
I can't say enough good things about my Classic Turret. It does everything well, and is easy to maintain and switching calibers is quick with extra turrets. Couple that with the great Lee support and it is hard to beat.

The Bushmaster
December 9, 2009, 02:56 PM
Billsnogo...The bottom one has the problem with the longer rifle cases, but neither have a problem with priming if you have them set up right or go to a stand alone priming system like the Lee Auto Prime II.

delta5
December 9, 2009, 03:06 PM
If you are going to reload mostly pistol and small rifle shells like .223, the Pro-1000 will suffice. If you want to reload longer shells like 30-06 and 8mm mauser, you need the classic cast turret press. It is a bit taller. The auto-index feature wont work with the long calibers though, you have remove the indexing rod and turn the turret by hand.

billsnogo
December 9, 2009, 03:50 PM
Billsnogo...The bottom one has the problem with the longer rifle cases, but neither have a problem with priming if you have them set up right or go to a stand alone priming system like the Lee Auto Prime II.
Thank you, that is exactly what I needed to know. I was not sure which to get, now I know :D

snuffy
December 9, 2009, 05:23 PM
You can get the Lee Pro-1000 progressive press setup for a caliber cheaper than you can get a Lee Classic Cast Turret.

Wrong! At least not from midway.

http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct/?productNumber=283657
Pro 1000, 10mm auto, $159.99

http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct/?productNumber=814175

$94.99
Notice it says classic turret, not classic CAST turret. The classic turret doe not come as a kit, so you'd need to add a set of dies.

Bill, the bottom one, the cast aluminum has the shorter ram travel, and the problem with spent primers going all over the place. The ram is thicker and has a hole through the center where the primers go to be caught in a plastic tube. You could direct the tube into a trash can also.

StretchNM
December 9, 2009, 10:42 PM
Snuffy, I also thought the Classic Turret didn;t come as a Kit, but I learned different on another forum. It comes as a Kit from at least two sellers: Cabela's and KempfGunShop.com.

I didn;t save the Cabela's link, but it can be found easily enough. The Kempf Kit is lower-cost, I believe, and comes with a set of dies (if you get the Kit for pistol calibers it also comes with ammo boxes).

Kempf's Kit:
https://kempfgunshop.com//index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=shop.flypage&product_id=630&category_id=26&manufacturer_id=0&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=41&vmcchk=1&Itemid=41
Now, if you pll down the drop-down list and don;t see your caliber (30-06 Warner?), don;t fret that. Contact Kempf. I am confident they'll make sure you get what you need. They put those Kits together, so they can sub in dies that you need.

WarnerWH: the press to get is the Classic Turret, the key word distinguishing the two being "Classic" (as opposed to the "Deluxe" Turret)

gspn
December 9, 2009, 11:18 PM
You will have no problems re-sizing 30-06. I've done 100 rounds of 7 mm mag in the last week and it couldn't have gone any smoother. It's a great little press.

orrwdd
December 10, 2009, 11:00 AM
It's interesting that the priming arm has been a problem for some people. On my Classic Cast I've had no issues but I've only loaded 7 or 800 rounds. I hope the Classic Turret doesn't have a reason why this issue is more prevalent. Fortunately it looks like the tie works but if I have the problem I'm going to figure out how to make it work properly. Things like that will continue to bother me so whatever it takes it will work right like it does on my single stage.
I just got off of the phone with a Lee technician about the Primer Feed Arm falling out. He advised me to make sure the slot on the ram has no nicks or burrs, and if it has burrs to smooth them out with a file or emory paper.

The Primer Arms that came with my press have what looks like a very small bump on the inside of the end of the hook. He says that should not be there either. This could be why my primer arms are not sliding down over the rod as they are supposed to.

I am going to fix this since I like the press otherwise, but what does this say about Quality Control??

Bill

RandyP
December 10, 2009, 11:27 AM
Cabelas kit:

http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/templates/product/standard-item.jsp?_DARGS=/cabelas/en/common/catalog/item-link.jsp_A&_DAV=MainCatcat602007-cat20847&id=0044122216337a&navCount=1&podId=0044122&parentId=cat20847&masterpathid=&navAction=push&catalogCode=XK&rid=&parentType=index&indexId=cat601233&hasJS=true

delta5
December 10, 2009, 11:45 AM
From what I have been hearing, the demand for their products have gone sky-high thanks to CEO Obama And Company... Im sure they are trying to make this stuff as fast as they can to meet the orders.. At least their customer service is top notch and you get a real human being on the phone. I can overlook a minor problem like an out of spec primer arm because Im sure they are making them as fast as they can...

warnerwh
December 10, 2009, 07:51 PM
Just finished setting my turret press up. It works perfectly. I do have to use 1 RCBS die as my Lee dies are 3 die sets, fortunately I had to get duplicate die sets from RCBS for the Dillon as the Lee's were too short on that press.

Only issue is the washer from the Safety Prime bracket not allowing the nuts from the dies to go by if a corner is on the outside of the turret. I ground that metal washer down though and everything clears now. I'm surprised I haven't see problem mentioned before. Even the Lee die nuts could be a problem unless you didn't care how perfect everything was set.

First box of moderate .44 magnum loads took 20 minutes. Build quality and the design are excellent. I'm sure I can load 30.06 with this press. Overall I'm very pleased with this press. Lee hit a home run with this press. They also did with the Classic Cast.

delta5
December 10, 2009, 08:43 PM
It should be black plastic spacer, then the bracket, then the metal washer, then the bolt...

warnerwh
December 10, 2009, 10:45 PM
You are right. Thanks

DougJ
December 11, 2009, 01:52 PM
I got the Lee Classic Turret kit from Kepf gun shop back in October. It's a great little press! The only issue I've had was related to the primer arm also. It would "hang" slightly as the arm was rotating under the case. I simply smoothed the inside of the ram and the the arm itself slightly and have had no issues since. I've produced about 900 rounds of 45ACP on it so far.

Oldcoyote
December 18, 2009, 04:29 PM
If you are going to reload mostly pistol and small rifle shells like .223, the Pro-1000 will suffice. If you want to reload longer shells like 30-06 and 8mm mauser, you need the classic cast turret press. It is a bit taller. The auto-index feature wont work with the long calibers though, you have remove the indexing rod and turn the turret by hand.
My classic turret will autoindex .30/06 but .375 Weatherby requires manual turret advance. This is not a problem since I can't stand to shoot the Weatherby in any volume.

maksim
February 12, 2010, 12:49 AM
question, just ordered the classic turret and a whole bunch of turrets and accessories....

but why will it not auto index a larger caliber?

RandyP
February 12, 2010, 09:39 AM
That's a darn good question maksim.... I use the Classic myself, but only for pistol calibers.

the only thing I can think of is the auto-index limits the ram stroke just enough to make the longer rifle rounds not fit? But I'm just making a WAG.

RustyFN
February 12, 2010, 08:04 PM
question, just ordered the classic turret and a whole bunch of turrets and accessories....

but why will it not auto index a larger caliber?

Anythiny larger than 30-06 will not be out of the die when the turret starts to index.

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