Makarov decock.


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emilianoksa
December 5, 2009, 02:46 PM
Do Makarov owners feel comfortable carrying their pistols with one in the chamber and the decock lever/safety up?

I believe the firing pin is just loose and without a spring on these guns.

How safe is it in that condition?

Love the Maks, but just wondered if this might be an issue.

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hammerklavier
December 5, 2009, 03:44 PM
I've never heard of one going off in that state. It did pass the California drop test.

jonnyc
December 5, 2009, 04:47 PM
I'm a lefty, and I keep mine loaded-chamber/safety off. No concern or worry at all.

donkee
December 5, 2009, 06:18 PM
I carry mine with a round in the chamber and the safety/decocker off. never have any problems and still have all my toes.

I also carry my BHP cocked and locked.

Maybe I am just living dangerously, but to me that is the way to carry them............

wnycollector
December 5, 2009, 07:15 PM
When I carried a Mak as a CCW, I kept it safe off w/ one in the chamber. I currently own a S&W model 910, that also has a decocker/safety setup similar to the mak. Again, its carried with the safe off and one in the chamber.

gbelleh
December 5, 2009, 10:56 PM
I've always carried my Maks with chamber loaded and safety off and never worried about the floating pin. Never had any problems with any of them.

ruchik
December 6, 2009, 04:45 AM
Is it possible to remove or disable the decocking function in a Makarov while keeping the safety intact? I'd like to carry cocked and locked, and know a similar mod can be done to Beretta 92's.

christcorp
December 6, 2009, 02:09 PM
The CZ-82 allows for cocked and locked; or safety off and MANUALLY LOWERING THE HAMMER. There is no decocker, but it has a positive hammer safety. In other words, you really can't slip the hammer on a live round unless you intentionally keep your finger on the trigger pull. But like the Mak, once the hammer is down, there is no need for a safety. It's simply a double action, just like a revolver. As for cocked and locked, I don't like that. I don't care normally for it even in a 1911, and in a Mak or similar, it makes less sense. If you can't shoot a pistol in double action, then you really should be looking at pepper spray or a dog. There's a 98% chance that you'll spend you're whole like and NEVER have to pull a gun out on someone. And then when you finally have to, if you don't like the fact that the first pull is double action, would make some people speechless. Most high quality guns outside of a 1911 are double action. To carry it cocked and locked makes no sense.

DT Guy
December 6, 2009, 04:42 PM
I strongly disagree. Precision shooting is easier with a lighter, shorter trigger pull. And you'll never need more precision than when you're trying to stop someone trying to kill you-


Larry

christcorp
December 6, 2009, 08:31 PM
And I'll strongly disagree and say that if the time ever comes where you literally are pulling a gun on someone, and are truly considering pulling the trigger and KILLING THEM, then everything you "Think" you understand about shooting a gun goes out the window. The only thing you have left is muscle memory and the stain in your underwear. Everything else is just going to happen by itself. And I personally would rather have a double action trigger where I KNOW I'm pulling the trigger; than a single action that turns into an "Oh Crap.... I didn't mean to pull the trigger". One reason I don't use my 1911 any longer for self defense, and instead use my Sig P220. For the double action. But I have aimed and shot a gun towards a person before. And how I felt that first time compared to what "I THOUGHT I KNEW"; were 2 totally different things. Granted, it wasn't self defense in it's truest form. It was in the military. No thanks..... I love the CZ-82 and true makarovs for the gun and the caliber. And I love the double action. But if a person is weak or can't control a double action; I guess there's something to be said for the single action. And for what it's worth, on any of the Maks, it's only a double action for the 1st pull. So I don't get this "Precision Shooting" stuff. If you have to shoot, chances are it will be a moving target. Low light. And you'll be less than 30 feet. You're not at the range.

DT Guy
December 6, 2009, 09:15 PM
If your finger is on the trigger before you mean to shoot, a heavy double action is NOT the solution to your problem. And the solution will never be mechanical-it will be training. If you truly believe that 'everything else is just going to happen by itself', then it will be a great deal of training.

Also, if shooting at a moving target in low light doesn't strike you as 'precision shooting', we have different definitions of the concept.

Larry

ruchik
December 6, 2009, 09:40 PM
OK look, I'm not trying to start an argument over what's better. All I asked is whether or not you can disable the decocking function on a Makarov and leave the safety intact.

Steve C
December 6, 2009, 10:25 PM
Do Makarov owners feel comfortable carrying their pistols with one in the chamber and the decock lever/safety up?

I'm perfectly comfortable with a round chambered and the hammer down on a Mak. The Makarov uses a similar safety type to the Walther PP/PPK pistols. The hammer is reboudning an blocked from contacting the firng pin without the trigger being pulled. The firing pin is different thant the Walthers in that it is free floating and rests against the primer with negligable plany and is is too light to set a round off if the gun is dropped. Simmilar to a nail resting being held against a piece of wood that can be driven in with a blow from a hammer but couldn't be driven in by slamming the board against a hard surface.

Is it possible to remove or disable the decocking function in a Makarov while keeping the safety intact?

A gunsmith could probably come up with a modification, How "safe" it would be is questionable. Its mostly a matter of money. Maybe someone could work it out for several hundred dollars but that's a lot more than the gun is worth, so what's it worth to you. Personally I don't unerstan why anyone likes the 2 step drop safety then depress trigger to fire for a self defense gun when in DA mode its simply one step "pull the trigger". DA is much simpler and 50% fewer things to go wrong.

nathan
December 6, 2009, 10:50 PM
Russian ARmy carry them with round chambered . Been reliable as hell. I carry mine that way too.

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