[Pheonix]

What are my options for a 10 MM, I would like a full size. I have found a Glock 20 and Witness Steel series (4.5" brl) to be in my acceptable price range. I have found a few STI Eagles way out of my price range.

[IRock]

Any 1911 .40 cal is easily converted. Or you can look for a S&W used gun. Dan Wesson is also making 10mm in full size 1911 model guns.

[agtman]

10mm options.


Sometimes you can find great deals on the S&W 10XX-series pistols. Keep an eye out at shows and gunshops in your area.

One aspect to consider in choosing a 10mm pistol is what particular grip-size/dimension best fits your hand.

If you prefer the dimensions of a single-stack grip, then take a look at the 1911-pattern guns (e.g., Dan Wesson's new 10mm "Razorback" or a barely-shot Delta Elite, if you can find one). Ditto on the Smith 10mms, which are all 9+1 single stacks.

If you feel the wider, double-stack type grip fits your hand better, then try out a Glock 20 or 29, or the Witnesses.

Once you've determined what you would feel comfortable shooting, go from there.

HTH. :)

[tetchaje1]

I think Agtman pretty much covered it. :)

Do check out the new Dan Wesson Razorback if you want an excellent 1911 platform.

[Sean Smith]

New factory/semi-custom guns:

Glock 20, 20C, 29
EAA Witness & Witness compact
Dan Wesson Razorback
S&W 610 4"
STI 2011-series guns
Ed Brown Class A Limited
Les Baer Premier II (special order)
SV Infinity

Used guns:

Bren Ten (good luck!)
Smith & Wesson 10xx series
Colt Delta Elite & Delta Gold Cup
Star Megastar
S&W 610 5" & 6.5"

Also, any new .40 S&W 1911 can be converted to 10mm Auto fairly easily.

[DeltaElite]

I have puchased a used Delta Elite for $525 and a used Delta Gold Cup for $850.
Both were 95%+, the DGC has adjustable night sights, ambi safeties and is sweet.

I have the G20 and G29, I prefer the 1911 style gun, I simply shoot them more effectively.

Enjoy your 10mm's, the best cartridge for autoloaders. :D

[Shmackey]

What exactly is entailed in the "fairly easy" conversion of a .40 1911 to 10mm?

[tetchaje1]

Schmackey,
Reaming out the barrel and *maybe* some adjustments to mags. Tweaking with springs. You are good to go.

[John Forsyth]

With a 1911 already set up for either 10mm or .40S&W, the other caliber can be done by getting another barrel fitted. Then with only a change in recoil springs and barrel you can go from one to the other. If you have a .40, reaming out to 10mm can be done relatively simply.

I went this route with a Caspian based 1911. The plans were to shoot 10mm in IDPA CDP , and .40S&W in ESP. But alas, they changed the rules. :cuss: So at club matches, I am shooting 10mm, at the appropriate levels :what:, and at major sanctioned matches, .40 at significantly reduced levels. I would much rather leave .40 brass behind than 10mm.

[4v50 Gary]

DeltaElite - that was a steal at $525. Good for you.

I got my Glock 20 at $300. Told the seller I didn't want the gun, didn't care whether she sold me the gun or not at that price (and I meant it). Years later, I finally shot it and like it better than the Glock 21.

[Midnight]

If you like Glocks (and I do), go for the G20. Its actually a soft shooter as far as 10mms go, and can hold 15 rounds. A G20 and a 15 rounder probably carries the most firepower of any conventional autoloading handgun.

If you want one for CCW, go for a G29. I have one on me right now, and I love it.

If you like 1911 style pistols, go Delta Elite. I purchased a 98% SS Delta Elite with aftermarket trigger, MSH, FLGR, thumb safety, and beavertail grip safety for $595 shipped. Its an awesome pistol, is utterly reliable, and is probably my favorite range gun.

[vertigo7]

I just sent off my payment for a Para-Ordnance P-16 .40S&W and 3 hicap mags... add one Schuemann or Ed Brown or Bar-Sto barrel reamed to 10mm, adjust recoil springs lighter or heavier and/or add shock buff, and bingo... 10mm high-capacity boomstick.

:evil: I can hardly wait.

vertigo7

[Sean Smith]

You mean like this...?

http://image1ex.villagephotos.com/1171737.jpg

The barrel in that pic (not my gun BTW) is a Schuemann Ultimatch.

[vertigo7]

Yep, exactly like that! I've been discussing that project gun with it's owner, NordicG3k, in this thread (http://www.glocktalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=126347) over at GlockTalk for a few days now.

Edit: Was just informed the magic brown truck will be delivering my new pistol to my FFL tomorrow morning. :evil:

[Kobun]

For some odd reason I have resently had a yearning for:
http://www.sviguns.com/catalog2001/page18b_375_375.jpg
in 10mm.
And then there was the money issue... :uhoh:
http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?s=&postid=43854

[DeltaElite]

Daddy want, daddy want, daddy want. :D

[91101]

I second agtman's idea about the S&W 10xx series. I have 2, 1066 and 1006. For me they are the best fit in my hands of any gun I own. If you can't find a 10xx in a gunstore near you the 4506 feels the same as the 1006 and the 4566 feels the same as the 1066 or 1076...

Michael

[Kitt]

Pheonix You are fixing to "SCREW UP" bigtime. I bought a new Para Ordnance P-16 Limited 40 S&W (short & weak) when they first came out. Then I got to thinking about the 10mm. So I buy a barrel and have it reamed to 10mm add a Wilson 22lb. recoil spring with shock-buff and BINGO I've got the 16+1 rds of 10mm boomstick that vertigo7 was talking about. So whats the problem?
One 10mm is never enough! I just bought a S&W model 610 and now I'm looking at the Glocks, Delta Elites and S&W 10xx series... Just thought I would warn you ahead of time......

[Kobun]

So what are the price differences between 10mm and .40SW in the US?
Here, we don't even stock 10mm. Wery few have it so its a reloaders cartridge.
Sure, we CAN order up 10mm ammo, but only on request.
http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?s=&postid=43854

[Zundfolge]

I take it there aren't any concerns about a .40S&W 1911 being strong enough to take the beating it'll get shooting 10mm?

If thats the case, where do you draw the line? Would it be safe to convert any .40 to 10mm? If so I wonder what my Kahr MK40 would be like in 10mm :evil:

Okay, the MK would probably be a bit much, but what about a regular old K40? What about a CZ75 in .40 or even a Glock 23?

[John Forsyth]

To convert to 10mm, the pistol platform must already be capable of handling the length of the cartridge. A .45 and 10mm have approx. the same OAL, 1.250". Most .40's were built on 9mm frames, i.e., CZ75's, Browning HP's. A Glock 23 is on the same frame as the 19, not the large frame of the 20 or 21. You can put a .40 barrel in a 20 or 29.

A Kakr K40 converted to 10mm :what: ? I don't think so.

[sanchezero]

Be pretty nifty tho.

[thisaway]

I also endorse the Glock 20 as a good starter's 10mm. It is large & easy to grasp, it has a large mag capacity, it is accurate, and it is very easy to shoot. Plus, it is significantly lighter than other 10mm pistols...a big plus when looking at fully loaded weights.

My G20 is an old one...purchased in '91. I shoot it more than all of my other handguns combined! I put a drop-in BarSto barrel in it so I can safely shoot lead-bullet loads.

Oh yeah, the S&W 610 is fun too...or at least, I have fun with mine. You should see the looks I get from the local club members when we shoot revolvers...their .38s "pop" to my 610's "BOOM"! :)

[agtman]

40S&W to 10mm "conversions."


The first problem you face is the magazine.

Dedicated .40S&W mags are too short for the length of the 10mm Auto.

But the converse does work: any 10mm mag will be compatible with the .40 and reliably feed it - and, in theory, with the .357 Sig.

Right now Glock 10mm owners can shoot 3 calibers out of their 10mm pistol (20 or 29) using the stock 10mm mags. All they have to do is get an aftermarket barrel in .40 or .357Sig, or both. Everything else - breech face, ejector, extractor, etc. - works with these 10mm-derivative rounds.

The 1911-pattern guns are probably the easiest to do a conversion on because of the ready availability of single-stack 10mm mags: e.g., Colts, metalforms, CMCs.

Do a Search on GT's 10Ring or over on Pistolsmith.com for a thread that ran a while back about some guys up in Alaska who "converted" full-size HK .40s to 10mms.

Basically, the gist is, one guy was screwing around trying different mags in a gunshop to see which ones would fit an HK .40 when he discovered that Para Ordinance's .40cal mags "fit" the HK's mag-well perfectly. The Para 40 mags will also hold and reliably feed the longer 10mm cartridge (which is why you sometimes see guys doing 10mm conversions on these guns too).

After that, it was just a matter of reaming out the .40 barrel to 10mm specs. I believe the guy also replaced the .40's polymer mag-catch unit with an all steel one from a fullsize HK .45. He may also have had to cut a new mag catch opening on the front of the Para mags, but I'm not for sure on that.

Apparently, the conversion worked out fine, and the HK.40's sights even shot to the same POA/POI with 10mm loads. Go figure. :scrutiny:

[Kitt]

Kobun I don't know how you do things in Norway but here in North Carolina, good ole U.S.of A, I just bebop down to Wally-World (Walmart) or to the local gunshop and grab some boxes of 10mm. Or I can order from Natchez Shooters Supply, Georgia Arms, ect.. The 10mm usually run a couple of bucks more than the 40 S&W. But to really shine the 10mm is the reloaders dream, target loads to ballistic meltdown, its all in the 10mm.

[sanchezero]

May be of interest...

http://www.1911forum.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=36532

[Sean Smith]

That's a pretty neat topic. :D

[Handy]

No one has mentioned the Peter-Stahl built Springfield Omegas. I had heard nice things about these, way back when.