What are the best Buckmark upgrades?


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Lemon10
December 7, 2009, 03:57 PM
Recently purchased a Buckmark and I love it...now wanting to modify it. What are the best modifications for the buckmark?

My future plans are to suppress it if that helps.

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nhm16
December 7, 2009, 05:39 PM
Fiber optic front sight if you don't have one. I was able to get a set of take-off fiber optic front and rear sights from a member on this board for $20, and it made a world of difference. My gun is now closest to the Camper URX. Have been thinking about this scope base (http://www.tacticalsol.com/store/pc/viewPrd.asp?idcategory=9&idproduct=677), but it costs about 20% of what I paid for the gun, plus the added cost of a red dot. Also, grips to taste, though I have a URX variant and options are more limited there. Love my Buckmark, BTW.

jonnyc
December 7, 2009, 05:43 PM
One of those quick magazine loaders!!! I go through 50 rounds like snot through a goose.

RUT
December 7, 2009, 06:24 PM
>>Have been thinking about this scope base, but it costs about 20% of what I paid for the gun, plus the added cost of a red dot<<

With that in mind, I just ordered the Contour 5.5 "Lite" URX with integral scope base. Naturally, I had to order a red dot as well, but since I'm getting up there in years, I need all the help I can get. ;)

Steve C
December 7, 2009, 07:17 PM
Red Dot Sight and Trigger job. Depending upon which model you have, you may or may not have to rount a Weaver sight rail. Easy to do, The B-square rail just replaces the top sight base over the slide and uses the same screws.

CZ223
December 7, 2009, 07:26 PM
Sell it and buy a Ruger Mark II or III.:evil: Just kidding, the buckmark is a great gun. Seriously though, if Ken light sells sells sights for it and you like hitting things at long range with a 22 handgun get them.

KingTiger
December 8, 2009, 11:47 AM
My BM Camper has become my favorite suppressed .22 pistol. The 4" TacSol barrel lightens it up greatly & makes it balance nicely with a suppressor attached. The shorter barrel helps keep most rounds subsonic. Added the Wiegand rail for the ATN optic. Did the spring flip mod which cut the trigger pull in half. It cycles CCI & Winchester subsonic HP's no problem.

http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x119/KingTiger_photo/Buckmark2.jpg

Omaha-BeenGlockin
December 8, 2009, 11:48 AM
My thoughts exactly CZ.

Lemon10
December 8, 2009, 10:52 PM
dang that looks sweet

Lemon10
December 8, 2009, 10:54 PM
any other suppressed or modified Buckmarks I can look at?

Lemon10
December 8, 2009, 11:46 PM
how about optics...any suggestions on a red dot sight?

waterhouse
December 9, 2009, 01:09 AM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v601/waterhouse/IMGP2775.jpg

Spring flip and threaded barrel. My most shot gun by far.

tipoc
December 9, 2009, 01:30 PM
Why a suppressor? Why attach one?

tipoc

WoofersInc
December 9, 2009, 02:30 PM
Why a suppressor? Why attach one?

tipoc

Shooting a suppressed 22 is a lot of fun. I have multiple 22 suppressors and guns and they are by far the things that get shot the most. I can shoot without having to wear hearing protection. The small amount of recoil is completely removed by a suppressor. It also helps when teaching new shooters, since the noise and recoil are not there to distract them.
Did I mention also that they are fun. That alone should be reason enough. Please don't get started into this whole "need" or "why" thing. Because I can is good enough.

KingTiger. Nice setup. A Buckmark is one of the pistols that I have been meaning to add to the collection.

waterhouse
December 9, 2009, 05:19 PM
Why a suppressor? Why attach one?

If you can find someone in your area that has a suppressed .22, try and arrange to shoot it.

I won't say 100%, but most people that shoot mine have either gone through the paperwork and gotten a suppressor or are currently saving up their nickels and dimes to get one.

Shooting without much noise is great.

unspellable
December 9, 2009, 06:30 PM
I have found the trigger break to be somewhat variable out of the box. Some have a bit of creep. Anybody know who does a good trigger job on a Buckmark! Key word is "good". I've grown tired of "gunsmiths" who scare me when they handle my gun. I can do a butcher's job myself.

Prince Yamato
December 9, 2009, 10:20 PM
I did the following modifications to mine:

*removed magazine disconnect.
*Heggis trigger mod
*4" trail-lite threaded upper
*AAC pilot .22 suppressor.

rondog
December 9, 2009, 10:35 PM
Dang, I recently bought a used Buckmark Camper for $200, which I haven't gotten a chance to shoot yet. And now you guys are rubbing photos of suppressed BM's under my nose! Yer killin' me.

And what's this "spring flip" mod you're talking about?

My new $200 toy. I'm afraid I'm gonna love it, and afraid the grandson will like it even more, and shoot up all my ammo.

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b150/rinselman/guns/Buckmark.jpg

gb6491
December 9, 2009, 11:13 PM
And what's this "spring flip" mod you're talking about?
From rimfirecentral.com (http://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=212717):

"What can I do to improve my trigger?
A user on the board named Heggis has come up with a great $0 solution to lighten the trigger pull. It involves flipping the sear spring. It is referred to as the "Heggis Flip", a "Heggisized Trigger", etc. Here is the link, and Page 4 (http://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=174356&page=4) of the thread shows some great pictures. If you were to perform only one upgrade to your gun, most people would probably agree that this would be it."

Regards,
Greg

earlthegoat2
December 9, 2009, 11:24 PM
The first thing I did was sell all my Ruger MK series guns after I got the Buckmark.

Barrel change is a breeze, especially since you dont have to go through an FFL.

The number one modification I think is the 4" Tactical Solutions barrel.

tipoc
December 9, 2009, 11:44 PM
Thanks for the information on the suppressors. I got my first Buckmark not long ago and am impressed with it.

tipoc

gb6491
December 10, 2009, 01:51 AM
In addition to the trigger info already posted, I find adding an overtravel stop to the existing trigger or replacing it with one that already has it installed (Browning P/N B5152898 TRIGGER ADJUSTABLE-SILHOUETTE & VARMINT) is very worthwhile.
http://i45.tinypic.com/24pfbcz.jpg
Regards,
Greg

dyeman12
December 10, 2009, 05:54 PM
Long time reader, first time poster here - usual hangout is rimfirecentral.com. Highly recommend checking out their Browning sub-forum for great Buckmark info. Very helpful and good folks.

Here's a photo of mine. Agree with the above mentioned mods:
-Heggis trigger flip - you will not believe the improvement.
-Sight rail and dot optic sight - shrunk my groups smaller than my Hammerli 208 with iron sights. Recommend a Burris FastFire, that Docter is overkill.
-Slide with "ears" - if you have a model that does not have the ears - you can get a replacement slide directly from Browning. Makes a difference if you put a sight rail on.
-Target type trigger - also strait from Browning.
-Suppressor - just can't beat it ;)
-Smoothing out action - if it is new, simply polish the contact areas inside the slide with a small block of wood with fine sandpaper. Really smooths up the action and is pretty much the same as putting several hundred rounds through it.
-Magazine Safety - Take that bit of useless wire out.

Also - if you are going to shoot it a good bit (and you will) when you order parts from Browning highly recommend getting some items for a parts kit:
-Front Sight Screw - get 2 because as they wear from take down, Locktight will not keep them in place after 100rnd or so. Just replaced mine after 2yrs and it stays tight.
-Firing Pin - just in case
-Extractor + pin + spring - easy to loose with stripping
-Slide Buffer - if the gun's used, it might be worn.

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd84/dyeman12/Buckmark/BM-Elem-LF.jpg

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd84/dyeman12/Buckmark/Target-BMvs208.jpg

Racinbob
December 10, 2009, 05:58 PM
My Buck Mark had the fiber front sight on it. I still replaced both the front and rear with Williams that have green fiber rear and red front. Great sights.

Racinbob
December 10, 2009, 06:13 PM
This isn't mine but I think it one of the coolest I've seen.

Racinbob
December 10, 2009, 06:21 PM
Here's mine.

Ranb
December 10, 2009, 08:00 PM
Silencers are over priced, so I made my own. No way around that tax though.

http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u320/ranb40/firearms/buckmark22lr.jpg

Ranb

Magoo
January 19, 2010, 05:17 PM
Just in case anyone else was wondering, as I was, about that slide with "ears". I couldn't find it in the Browning catalog so I gave them a call. For a blued one, it's part #B5150000 and is $62.25. It's pretty nifty, but my slide seems broken in enough that even with a TacSol rail on it it's easy enough to work in light of that price.

rmart
September 29, 2010, 02:02 PM
I'm looking at the blow-up of the buckmark. The slide you refer to is cut differently internally as well. Do you have to change out your internals on the slide as well or is it just a drop-in replacement?

Also, the Tactical Solutions integral sight rail with the built-in rear sights...
How are those sights? How do they compare to the stock Browning rear sights? Are there upgrade or fiberoptic options for that as well?

Kuglespritz
February 6, 2011, 09:41 AM
This thread maybe a year old, but a lot of good information here.

wally
February 6, 2011, 10:33 AM
I have multiple 22 suppressors and guns and they are by far the things that get shot the most. I can shoot without having to wear hearing protection.

I'm not sure about this, all the suppressor tests I've looked at are in the ballpark of 160db unsuppressed, 130db which is still well above the threshold for hearing damage. Although suppressed is below the threshold of pain, its well above the ~90db limit for occupational noise exposure.

Now the tests I've seen are done at the muzzle 1 meter to the side and you are standing behind the gun so your exposure should be less, but hearing damage is subtle and cumulative.

a1bigtuna
February 6, 2011, 12:13 PM
I just put on Williams Fire sights on my Buckmark, works fine. Then I got home after firing it for the first time with those sights. Then and only then I noticed that the rear sight cover the rear screw hole so you can not take the slide of with out removing the sight. Or, guess you could unscrew the elevation screw and allow the sight to pivot up to gain access to the screw (but then you can always loose that damn little spring). I was able to take the barrel off by just removing the front screw and unscrewing the barrel, but you still can not gain access to the slide area for cleaning. Is there another shorter sight with fiber optics that work on a Buckmark and allow dis-assembly?

Ranb
February 6, 2011, 03:41 PM
I'm not sure about this, all the suppressor tests I've looked at are in the ballpark of 160db unsuppressed, 130db which is still well above the threshold for hearing damage. Although suppressed is below the threshold of pain, its well above the ~90db limit for occupational noise exposure.

While a person should wear protection for any continuous noise above 84 dB, guns emit impulse noise. The generally accepted safe value is anything below 140 dB. But long exposure to 140 dB gunfire is bad also as the affects are cumulative. Here is an interesting link. http://www.hearingreview.com/issues/articles/2007-03_06.asp

Ranb

Dudemeister
February 6, 2011, 04:12 PM
A nice pair of grips would be a nice addition to any Buckmark, with the possible exception of the URX, which is great just the way it is.

http://digistealth.com/Public/Guns/Buckmark/Buck-grips.jpg

wally
February 6, 2011, 04:51 PM
Here is an interesting link. http://www.hearingreview.com/issues/...2007-03_06.asp

Great link!

"As shown in Figure 4, the amount of noise reduction for a 12-gauge shotgun using the David Clark Model 27 earmuff is 31 dB; the peak level was reduced from 161 dB (red line) to 130 dB SPL (blue line). With the earmuff alone, the number of shots recommended by NIOSH would be 5 per 24-hour period"

It would seem to exactly make my point! A suppressor alone cannot be counted on as adequate hearing protection based on the ~30db reduction of most cans on the market.

Ranb
February 6, 2011, 06:15 PM
See here for (2005) test results on various silencers. http://www.silencertests.com/results.htm

It clearly shows that the 22lr and some others especially subsonic cartridges can be suppressed enough to eliminate the need for ear plugs. These results were obtained out in the open, I would not shoot the 22lr suppressed indoors without ear plugs.

Ranb

billw_willy
March 6, 2011, 08:59 PM
Where are the photos of the Buckmark blown up by a 22 RF?

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