[natedog]

Does anyone know if HK will began to sell the HK91, 94, etc. at from their new US location? Any rumors/speculation? Let's see...the plant is slated to begin production in 2005...another year and a half after that I'll finally be able to buy rifles :cool:

[blades67]

Not likely. The plant will build G36 and SL8 rifles and USP pistols as I understand it.

[El Tejon]

The answer to your question is no. However, I believe you mean "will HundK produce the HK91/93/94 at the plant in Joe-juh for domestic distribution and sale", correct?

That answer is also no.

[Mark Tyson]

If there's a demand for them why not? Our job of course is to create the demand. So get cracking!

[Chipperman]

They are moving away from the roller lock design.
IMO, they will not produce any of the 90 series guns again.
They will focus on LEO and military sales.

[Schuey2002]

From what I've gathered, they have a contract to make around 9,600 USP.40 Compact's for the Transportation Safety Administration (which could be made there). They also would probably build the XM8 rifle here if they won that future contract..

Gotta' keep the Feds happy. :banghead:

edit: Pulled this from HkPro.com:
The U.S. facility also will produce assault rifles, machine guns, grenade launchers and small arms for U.S. military and police forces.

Note the lack of the words "civilian sales".. :uhoh:

[Mark Tyson]

Can they just make a USC without that ridiculous thumbhole stock? One that take UMP mags? That would probably sell.

[MagKnightX]

They will be able to make the USC without the thumbhole and with UMP mags if the AW ban sunsets, which I, and everyone here, hopes will happen.

Perhaps we should petition for 9x series guns to be built. I certainly would want one. Or two. Or three... or four... maybe five...

[Tamara]

Achtung, peasant! Vat makes you sink you are vorthy uff ownink a firearm? :scrutiny:

[Schuey2002]

which I, and everyone here, hopes will happen.
I'd rather have a semi-auto version of the HK G36K that had a 13 inch barrel, 3 inch (non-detachable) vortex flash hider and a five-hole forearm instead..

That doesn't mean that I wouldn't buy a civie UMP if they made one.. cause I would. :p

[aquapong]

I think the factory is because they want the contract for the XM8 to replace the M16. Gotta have a factory stateside to get the contract. Hopefully they will have some civilian production in mind as well, but I'm not sure I would count on it.

[rock jock]

HK runs according to profit motive. If civilian interest is high enough AND the AWB is not renewed, they may indeed sell to the public. With regard to their press release, they will say whatever is necessary to placate the sheeple.

[Nightfall]

Mmm, a new HK91... ooooh, I'd line up for that. :D Civilian G36, UMP, MP5K maybe? Hey, I can dream!

For now though, we have to do our part! Write your Congress things, etc.

http://www.awbansunset.com

[El Tejon]

Even IF (huge if) it were legal, what makes you guys think that ATFE would allow domestic production of the 91/93/94s?:confused:

[Kharn]

I doubt HK will be making many more HK93s or 94s, considering they've got the G36 and 9mm UMP as next-generation replacements.

El Tejon:
What say does the ATF have in it? If HK has an 07 FFL, they can make whatever they want and sell it to civilians, as long as they remain in compliance with the MG ban, the import bans and the AW ban.

Kharn

[Mark Tyson]

The ATF can't touch them if they're in the US and using domestic parts, AFIK. If enough people want the guns I think they will produce these guns again, but we have to let them know. So let's get those snail mail letters rolling!

[El Tejon]

Kharn, no, they cannot make whatever they want. Even without the current Bush additions to the March '89 ruling, ATFE can stop them in dozens of different ways.

Just curious why you guys thought ATFE would allow this.

[Mark Tyson]

Hmmm ... was I wrong about this? Can the ATFE just label something as "not sporting" like the USAS shotgun and ban it?

[Jeff White]

Given the cost of labor in Europe, it's probably a good business decision to build a plant in a labor friendly state like Georgia. The real reason the plant is their, is so HK can rip off the American taxpayers by trying to sell them the XM8.

It's another way to play the political game to get a big DOD contract. HK hasn't had the best of luck selling their designs lately.

I don't see them producing much for the US civilain market there. How many civilian market weapons does FN produce in SC?

If the XM8 doesn't make it into procurement (I don't think it will, but that would be a seperate thread) look for the Columbus GA plant to stop in it's tracks.

Jeff

[Jeff OTMG]

They can produce a gun in the US, using US parts, with a pistol grip now. Just like AR's, DSA built FAL's, and Arsenal AK's. There would be no high caps for them YET, but if they could be built to accept existing pre-ban high caps, that would be legal.

ATF cannot just declare something not for 'sporting purposes'. As with the Striker, Streetsweeper, and USAS, although 12 ga shotguns, no other 12 ga shotguns sold in the US had receivers that were either as wide or as tall as the receivers found on those guns. Therefore they were considered non-sporting. The new H&K's do not qualify for a non-sporting restriction as there are many other firearms of that type, built and sold on the US market.

[Schuey2002]

The new H&K's do not qualify for a non-sporting restriction as there are many other firearms of that type, built and sold on the US market.
Special Weapons/ Tactical Weapons Training Academy/ Top Notch Accessories Inc., is just one such example. ;)

[Combat-wombat]

I really don't think HK cares about us serfs. If they don't think we're worthy enough to have the 9x series, a semi-auto G36, or a semi-auto UMP, we should take action. Maybe a HK boycott?

[El Tejon]

Jeff, ATF did exactly that (declare a whole slew of guns "Non-sporting") in March of 1989.:scrutiny: The shotguns were declared DDs by admin fiat (and no one complained).

ATFE can do what ATFE wants. I cannot see how they would allow production of these weapons by HK.

[Kharn]

El Tejon:
The only items the ATF can affect by regulatory declaration are: 1. Destructive Devices, and 2. Non-sporting imports. DDs have to have a >.50" bore, and non-sporting imports have to be imported.

If a gun doesnt have a >.50" bore and is made from mostly US-made parts, its outside the realm of ATF administrative rule making.

Kharn

[El Tejon]

Kharn, you are correct, but ATF still have to approve the manufacture. No way is this going to happen.

[Kharn]

"but ATF still have to approve the manufacture."
Got a cite for that?

Kharn

[El Tejon]

The Commerce Clause.

[4v50 Gary]

If HK's new plant were to schedule itself to meet the demands of the civilian market, it is unlikely that they will make the 91, 93 or 94 here. They can make the newer guns at a cheaper cost and for greater profits. Plastics by Mattel, metal by HK.

[Glock Glockler]

I really don't think HK cares about us serfs. If they don't think we're worthy enough to have the 9x series, a semi-auto G36, or a semi-auto UMP, we should take action. Maybe a HK boycott?

I can assure you that they do not care about the 2nd Amendment. Their business is not caring about the 2nd Amendment, their business is selling guns.

Why would you want to boycott them? Do you think you'll accomplish something if you put them out of business?

They'll produce something if the demand is there and they think they can make am profit off of doing so. Perhaps you would be better served if you took action to remove the foolish gun control laws that constrain them from meeting market demand.

[natedog]

Well I've done some thinking, and after seeing what HK did in the '80s, I believe they will manufacture the 9x series in Georgia, if the demand is high enough. HK saw that the "assault rifle" (please don't rebuke me, I'm using the term just for simplification) was huge in America, and they provided.

[Boats]

Has anyone said "WHO FLIPPIN' CARES!" yet? Outside of subguns the HK lineup is vastly overrated across the board. Even if built here, I bet they would be overpriced for no discernable reason other than marketing cachet to pull in the same ole civilian suckers and governments busy spending other people's money.:rolleyes:

HK in Georgia? Perhaps the biggest non-event for the civilian shooter in all of the 2003 news year.

[Destructo6]

Has anyone said "WHO FLIPPIN' CARES!" yet?
Just you. Obviously those, other than you, who've posted to this thread do flippin care.

How does the commerce clause bear on this? If they have the proper licensing, which I would assume they already have, they should be golden. Nobody is keeping Hesse, SW, etc from making HK style rifles and carbines.