Which semi-auto pistol would you bet your life on out the box?


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CZ223
December 7, 2009, 08:00 PM
If you have to pick up a brand new semi auto "HANDGUN" and go to a gunfight, which gun would it be. For me it would be a Glock, any Glock. If all you other smart guys have got there first and have taken all the Glocks my second choice would be a Sprinfield XD anything. I hate em but I have owned one and they do indeed work everytime (provided you grip the gun the right way). Notice that I said semi auto and not revolver. I love revolvers but I am looking for which semi-auto handgun you guys believe will go bang everytime you pull the trigger. Be honest. By the way, just to show that I am not biased, I am currently carrying a Kimber 1911, BUT I would not choose any 1911 under the parameters given, especially a Kimber.:what: It works now.

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HPShooter
December 7, 2009, 08:09 PM
Do not pass go, do not collect $200., Browning Hi-Power or Makarov. For further detail, check out Stephen Camp's www.hipowersandhandguns.com .
However, my opinion is also based on personal experience with out of the box Hi-Powers and Maks.

ReloaderFred
December 7, 2009, 08:10 PM
All of my XD's have performed right out of the box and have never had a hiccup with any of the thousands of rounds I've put through them. So my choice would be the XD.

Hope this helps.

Fred

The Lone Haranguer
December 7, 2009, 08:10 PM
If you have to pick up a brand new semi auto "HANDGUN" and go to a gunfight, which gun would it be.
I would hope I wouldn't have to do that, but the Glock 17 or 19, German-made SIG and Beretta 92 came first to mind.

Pappy109
December 7, 2009, 08:14 PM
Any Glock with out a single hesitation right out of the box!

SweetKnuckles
December 7, 2009, 08:15 PM
Glok

feudalson
December 7, 2009, 08:19 PM
springfield xd(shoots everytime provided you grip it at all like its a gun) .. glock... and honestly ive had nothing but pure reliability out my s&w sigmas(3rd gen)... berreta 92,, sigs... hks .... and my taurus pt1911 has run great from box till now so it too... but i would way rather have a rifle... ar or ak platform... m14 or some such ... or a shotgun...

sheepdog
December 7, 2009, 08:21 PM
...kp90dc...

bg226
December 7, 2009, 08:38 PM
Beretta PX4.

M2
December 7, 2009, 08:50 PM
Concur with the XD, it is absolutely the best semi-auto to have if your life depends on it!

jonnyc
December 7, 2009, 08:59 PM
Damn, I had my reply all planned, but HPShooter beat me on both.
He hit the two best of the bunch, BHP and Makarov.

tincanhunter
December 7, 2009, 09:00 PM
H&K USP Compact. I own 2, neither has failed to feed factory ammo or go boom. Ever!

Casefull
December 7, 2009, 09:02 PM
It depends on the distance...up close My 10mm glock, fnp 45, etc. at 50+ yds I would go with my full size kimber with the 45 super loads. Keep em clean and lubed and most of them work as advertised.

Big Bill
December 7, 2009, 09:12 PM
I'd pick a Glock 17! Hands down...

WRGADog
December 7, 2009, 09:18 PM
any Springfield XD or any Beretta. They work every time without problems.

Landpimp
December 7, 2009, 09:19 PM
any new HK or any S&W wheelgun(after check the lock)

Onward Allusion
December 7, 2009, 09:26 PM
+1 on the Sigma (current production). Got 5 and not one has ever given me any problems. Thousands of rounds through them and had 1 failure-to-feed due to me limp-wristing it.

The other one out of the box would be Glock.

feudalson (http://www.thehighroad.org/member.php?u=91213)

<SNIP>... and honestly ive had nothing but pure reliability out my s&w sigmas(3rd gen)...<SNIP>

ugaarguy
December 7, 2009, 09:59 PM
Out of the box a Springfield TRP, or Kimber Warrior (those specific models). If those weren't available a BHP in 9mm, Glock 17, S&W Sigma (current 3rd gen VE suffix models), S&W M&P in any caliber, any DA/SA Ruger, any 3rd Gen metal frame S&W.

JAREDSHS
December 7, 2009, 10:05 PM
glock33

M2 Carbine
December 7, 2009, 10:08 PM
Because of past experience,
Makarov first and Kimber second.

Glock would be far down my list.
Just last week a neighbor bought a new G19. Sure enough we had several jams in the first couple magazines. That's par for my experience with Glocks.
A few months ago a friend tried to give me a almost new G26. I really tried to like the gun but I gave it back to him. Best I can recall it jammed about 8 times out of about 200 rounds.
I haven't been around Glocks, either shooting them or others shooting them, that they they didn't jam.
I'm not bad mouthing the Glock, that's just been my experience with them.


I took a new Makarov from the box and began (non destructive) testing it for 1,000 rounds to TRY and make it malfunction.
There was not one gun caused malfunction in those thousand rounds or since then. There was one dud round and the gun didn't fire once on the first trigger pull because there was mud between the firing pin and hammer. The gun fired on the next (DA) trigger pull.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v135/Bell406_206B/Makinmud.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v135/Bell406_206B/Makmudblockinghammer.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v135/Bell406_206B/Makfiredwithmud.jpg

I heavely greased the gun and then froze it.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v135/Bell406_206B/Makfrozen_2.jpg

I filled the gun with "pocket lint", and many other tests to try and make it malfuction. It just emptied magazine after magazine.:)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v135/Bell406_206B/Makcoveredwithlint.jpg

gbelleh
December 7, 2009, 10:11 PM
Based on my experience, I'd take an HK USP.

android
December 7, 2009, 10:13 PM
I've got three HK's. 2 P2000SK's and a P30L. They have all worked perfectly from the first round with any ammo. So I'd go with any HK from the P2000 timeframe and newer with 100% confidence.

My Mak has also been a real winner, but the crappy Monarch ammo that is available for them seems to have bad primers on occasion.

I've never had a bad round or WWB, Federal Champion or Rem UMC.

G27RR
December 7, 2009, 10:14 PM
HK USP would be my choice.

2nd 41
December 7, 2009, 10:14 PM
Sig 230 or 232

Redneck with a 40
December 7, 2009, 10:15 PM
XD, any flavor.:D

Big Bill
December 7, 2009, 10:18 PM
Glock would be far down my list.
Just last week a neighbor bought a new G19. Sure enough we had several jams in the first couple magazines. That's par for my experience with Glocks.
A few months ago a friend tried to give me a almost new G26. I really tried to like the gun but I gave it back to him. Best I can recall it jammed about 8 times out of about 200 rounds.
I haven't been around Glocks, either shooting them or others shooting them, that they they didn't jam.
I'm not bad mouthing the Glock, that's just been my experience with them.
I seriously doubt this! My Glock 19 never jammed once and was 100% reliable for me and has been 100% reliable for my son too.

mljdeckard
December 7, 2009, 10:28 PM
If I had to pick up a gun, sight unseen, history unknown, to use RIGHT NOW to save my life, it would be a Glock every time.

ArmedBear
December 7, 2009, 10:33 PM
XD45

Not a pretty gun, not a match pistol, but the thing just works.

Not prone to limp-wristing at all, unlike some semiautos out there. I don't have to overthink anything when I shoot it.

Scott707
December 7, 2009, 10:35 PM
Beretta 92fs or Sig P226

easyg
December 7, 2009, 10:35 PM
Any of these three...

Glock 31
Glock 22
Glock 17

MrCleanOK
December 7, 2009, 10:39 PM
Springfield XDs run, and run, and run.

Isher
December 7, 2009, 11:01 PM
Any of the CZ's.

My personal favorites are the P-01 in 9mm and the 97B in .45ACP.

The P-01, by the way, is UN classed.

I understand the other manufacturers dropped out of the competition.

I wonder why?


scyth

LancerMW
December 7, 2009, 11:30 PM
Glock or BHP, maybe CZ

Bronco4me
December 7, 2009, 11:39 PM
Colt or Springfield Gov't 1911 in 45 ACP, Styer GB in 9mm, followed by a CZ-75B in pick a cal.

Sock Puppet
December 8, 2009, 12:01 AM
All of my XDs have been flawless, so that is what I would choose.

sigman
December 8, 2009, 12:19 AM
Glock or Sig..
They don't require any of that " Break-In period " B.S. !

You get what you pay for.
I certainly wouldn't bet my life on a Taurus product !

sigman
December 8, 2009, 12:26 AM
I have never,ever heard,or seen a Glock,or Glocks have the problems that you described ! I'm not a Glock fan,i love Sigs,but i wouldn't hesitate buying one and trusting my life with one in any scenario ! Thousands of people own them and the police love them to death ! If a Glock pistol has that many problems ,then why not return it to the company and have them revamp it ?
I'm sure they would either fix the problems ,or replace the pistol with a new one !

Isher
December 8, 2009, 01:01 AM
"I'm sure they would either fix the problems ,or replace the pistol with a new one !"

........Just what you need having called 911............


scyth

Philo_Beddoe
December 8, 2009, 01:18 AM
cz 75, ruger p 95, berretta 92

USA
December 8, 2009, 02:09 AM
I'm not particularly a fan for carrying Glocks but they are the AK's of auto pistols, so if I had to pick a pistol out of thin air before going to danger it would be the full size 10mm Glock.

CPshooter
December 8, 2009, 02:28 AM
I seriously doubt this! My Glock 19 never jammed once and was 100% reliable for me and has been 100% reliable for my son too.
I had a brand new Glock 19 that stovepiped all the time. I eventually sold it. My brother said his Glock 26 experienced the same stovepiping issue a few times while at the range one day. I also had an XD45 that had FTF problems for the first couple magazines, but was ok after that. I took my brand new Sig SP2022 to the range yesterday and had FTF problems for the first two magazines only, then it worked great.

I've owned 3 H&Ks (a black USP .40c, a stainless USP.40c, and a P2000sk 9mm), and all have been absolutely flawless from the very first shot. I don't know how H&K does it, but their quality control is seriously the best in the business. H&K engineers their pistols to work, plain and simple. Your chances of getting a lemon are probably less than with any other handgun brand out there. In other words, if I had to choose a pistol and trust my life to it right out of the box I'd have to go with H&K.

cjl8651
December 8, 2009, 02:41 AM
Walther P99 AS.

sidheshooter
December 8, 2009, 02:50 AM
I wouldn't trust any pistol out of the box. I've seen a problem Glock (1) problem HPs, even a Ruger GP100 that bound up on the second trip out.

But if I had to bet, it would be on the Glock. I wouldn't be surprised if XDs were great too, though.

sigma 40ve
December 8, 2009, 03:05 AM
Easy for me --Glock

armoredman
December 8, 2009, 03:18 AM
I have to say I have had three Glocks fail in my hands shooting, but any mechanical device will break/fail. I took my P01 right out of the box new, wiped off the exterior, and ran several mags through without a hitch. Other CZs I have cleaned first, but all ran without issues. I would have to say a P01 or PCR would be my choice, due to experiance.

heavyshooter
December 8, 2009, 03:23 AM
Based on my personal experince and preference I would say Springfield XD. The one malfunction my XD had was my fault. I had fired (and reloaded) it so much my hand was tired and I limp wristed it.

Also, as much as I despise the grip angle, I have heared that Glocks are relatively reliable. ;):rolleyes:

kingmt
December 8, 2009, 04:42 AM
For me it would be a Glock, any Glock.

believe will go bang everytime you pull the trigger.

I owned a Glock for about 1 month one time & it went click all the time but didn't go bang half the time. I tried several types of ammo in it but it only scrached the primer. I would try the round a few times then put it in my Ruger & they fired fine. I have never even shoot one after that. If it was laying beside a Highpoint I would take the Highpoint every time.

To answer the question I have had the best luck from Taurus. My favorite would be a Ruger though.

Jed Carter
December 8, 2009, 04:42 AM
SIG P226 .40S&W, Glock G17, Beretta 92FS, FNP 40 and my carry pistol the CZ 75D PCR. If I had to load one out of the box without cleaning it, then the SIG P226 is my choice.

Ryder
December 8, 2009, 05:46 AM
Any of them, odds are greatly improved if you only need one shot.

michiganfan
December 8, 2009, 05:53 AM
Glock ,Sig Hk, Beretta

Hellifino
December 8, 2009, 05:56 AM
Glock 21

CZ223
December 8, 2009, 07:01 AM
even Glocks. If someone says they don't work for them or they got a bad one I believe them. The stovepiping issue is usually solved by gripping the gun firmer.

I base my choices on what I have owned and what I have heard from other shooters who I personally know. I have owned 6 or 8 eight Glocks over the past 15 or so years and they were all dead nuts reliable. I don't ever remember any malfuction with factory ammo. So for me my first choice is Glock.

Based on my limited experience with the Springfield XD that I owned and all the reviews from friends, the XD would be my second choice and as I said I don't even like them.

I stand by what I said about 1911s because of the 4 that I have owned to this point only one has been reliable out of the box. That one by the way is my Taurus PT1911. I have a second Taurus coming this week and believe me I will tell you if it is or isn't reliable.

Right now Glocks and XDs seem to be leading which doesn't surprise me at all. Hk's and sigs seem to be right up there at the top as well. I am a little surprised that Rugers aren't doing better than they are.

A few last things. I don't care which gun wins I have made my choices and I stand by them. It is interesting to see what guns other people really believe in and it gives me reason to try new things.:D The only guy I take issue with here is the one who would take a Hi-Point over any Glock. The day I see ANY police agency anywhere in the country adopt the HI-Point as their weapon of choice I will buy one. About 40% of the police agencies in this country carry Glocks. I would be willing to bet that the Springfield XD has almost as good a share of the law enforcment market with Sigs, HKs and Smiths filling most of the rest of the holsters. If hi-points were that good don't you think that the bean counters would force police agencies to buy them?

iblong
December 8, 2009, 07:39 AM
The thought of trusting any auto without testing scares me,but I guess I would say Smith M&P,Glock,or XD.But my daily carry is a Colt 1911 that has had reliability work done and been 100 % I gladley trust my life to it.

faizi
December 8, 2009, 08:43 AM
Chinese CF-98 9mm pistol.

Just One Shot
December 8, 2009, 08:46 AM
XD in any caliber.

That is all!

:cool:

EddieNFL
December 8, 2009, 08:59 AM
Based on my experience...

At this point, nothing is available that I wouldn't question until I had some rounds down range. The Glock arguably has the best reliability rep going, but they aren't perfect; nothing man-made is.

dogngun
December 8, 2009, 09:01 AM
Well, mine have been out of the box a long time, but I rely on the following:

Two Charles Daly 1911's, one full size, one compact. I have owned them for several years, have not had any problems with them at all. Usually carry the compact, save the full size for at home.


A FEG PPK derivative, .32 ACP. Never had any problems with this either, would like to get another mag or two though. (Have 3 now.)

S&W 2214 .22 auto pistol. The only small .22 auto I have found that is absolutely reliable - small enough for a hideout, large enough to shoot accurrately.

I have several more, including several revolvers, but those are wll I really carry except for rare occasions.


mark

DeepSouth
December 8, 2009, 09:06 AM
If you have to pick up a brand new semi auto "HANDGUN" and go to a gunfight, which gun would it be.

With such vague conditions I'd get the closest thing a long arm and high cap I could get, something like............

http://www.dreadgazebo.com/gunporn/wp-content/uploads/2007/12/ak47.jpg

army_husbandky
December 8, 2009, 09:12 AM
I own a few pistols and all of mine have functioned flawlessly. I would have to say Taurus PT-145 Mill Pro, followed by Steyr M40. Wanted to say XDm 40, but I have the 9mm version, so I can't comment about the 40 S&W

czhen
December 8, 2009, 09:28 AM
let's play
CZ 75b
BHP
Beretta 92fs
Sig
S&W 5906

Marlin 45 carbine
December 8, 2009, 09:56 AM
add my .02 to the Browning, 3rd Gen S&W, Makarov and CZ fans. if I KNEW I was heading to a fight definitely a hi-cap though.

M2 Carbine
December 8, 2009, 12:09 PM
I seriously doubt this! My Glock 19 never jammed once and was 100% reliable for me and has been 100% reliable for my son too.

I'm sorry you seriously doubt that Glocks jam but as I said, I have not shot or been around people shooting Glocks when they did not jam. (maybe Glocks don't like me:) )
I do not care what someone buys or shoots, I'm just telling what I have personally seen.

About five months ago I borrowed a friend"s (used) G17 for someone to shoot, that were thinking of buying one.
I explained to them that I personally do not like Glocks but the Glock is right accurate, high capicity and are as simple as guns get.
The gun jammed once in the first magazine and once in the second (different) magazine.

What can I say? I wouldn't trust my life to a new out of the box one.

Babarsac
December 8, 2009, 12:10 PM
My Russian Mak and CZ-82 have yet to miss a round :)

M2 Carbine
December 8, 2009, 12:23 PM
Dear " M2 Carbine ".
I have never,ever heard,or seen a Glock,or Glocks have the problems that you described ! I'm not a Glock fan,i love Sigs,but i wouldn't hesitate buying one and trusting my life with one in any scenario ! Thousands of people own them and the police love them to death ! If a Glock pistol has that many problems ,then why not return it to the company and have them revamp it ?
I'm sure they would either fix the problems ,or replace the pistol with a new one !
I told you, I am not bad mouthing the gun. I have nothing against the gun. I don't care about Glocks one way or the other, except from personal experience with them I do not want to own one. (I actually refused the gift of two free Glocks from a friend.)

I'm just telling it like it is. The Glock 17, 19 and 26 models that I have shot or have been around when others have been shooting them have had malfunctions. Not constantly of course, but random jams none the less.
Believe it, don't believe it, it makes no difference to me.


My best friend carries a G19. Heck, I hope the thing is reliable if he needs it, but yes, I have seen that gun malfunction when shooting on my range.




.

EddieNFL
December 8, 2009, 12:34 PM
Many of the responses are based on what the poster owns. If I KNEW I was headed for a fight, I would take one of my 1911s...as a back up. My primary choice would be a rifle or carbine, depending on the circumstances.

I would be suspect of any firearm I've never fired; don't care what badge it wears.

Girodin
December 8, 2009, 01:25 PM
Based on my experience with them a Glock. My Sig proved very reliable but I have been around more Glocks and never known them not to run well.

Girodin
December 8, 2009, 01:31 PM
I believe a person might regularly experience malfunctions with a glock, I also have a strong suspicion of what the cause of the malfunctions was (if we are talking a box stock glock).

Clint Smith said he sees stoppages from the following in order of frequency: Mags, ammo, shooter error, firearm breakage/malfunction. Some guns are more sensitive to ammo issues than others, some are more prone to operator error and some have more poorly made mags than others.

searcher451
December 8, 2009, 01:40 PM
Bet my life on? Straight out of the box? Without so much as a single practice round through it? Are you kidding me? None of them. Not one.

wheelgunslinger
December 8, 2009, 02:06 PM
CZ85 Combat
GP100
Mateba 357 :neener:

Iconoclast
December 8, 2009, 02:10 PM
CZ 75b. However, I also have a Taurus 24/7 Pro 9mm that has run at 100% since the first round put through it. My Kel Tec is also 100%, but I did an extensive fluff & buff before I put the first round through it.

MICHAEL T
December 8, 2009, 02:18 PM
A Colt 1911 I have never had trouble with a Colt from box Other 1911 yes a couple

Pappy109
December 8, 2009, 03:14 PM
A Colt 1911 I have never had trouble with a Colt from box Other 1911 yes a couple
A Colt 1911 is the last gun I would trust my life too and it was one of the first things I got rid of in Southeast Asia when I was there. A poker game won German Luger in 9 mm saved my hide more than once over there. If memory serves me correctly it was a P 08.

katokahn99
December 8, 2009, 05:18 PM
Lemme see...brand new, out of the box, no cleaning, no break-in...and must trust to operate reliably...trouble free out of the box. ALSO, I know I'm going into a gunfight so the gun needs to point naturally for me since I'll very likely have to get a very fast sight aligned sight picture.

I'd want the highest capacity for the caliber of my choice so single stacks are out.

No need to conceal the weapon was stipulated; therefore, I'd go with the longest sight radius and full sized grip.

Reliability is a must. It has to go boom every time I pull the trigger. The tight tollerances of the 1911 frame rules out ALL makes. It's now down to the polymer striker fired pieces.

I guess that leaves the Springfield XD Tactical. 13 +1 rounds of 45 ACP, with a 5" barrel, that goes boom reliable with no issues. Points naturally. I can point and shoot the 10 ring from 10 yards with it.

That is why I own one. Except I went with the compact 10 rounder for concealability and carry the 13 round extended magazine in the highly unlikely event that I'll get into a situation where I need to reload and have lots of ammo available. :P

Glocks are great. Well built, very reliable (in my experience not AS reliable as the XD), easy to use, and high capacity. However, grip angle is a killer for me. They don't point naturally.

FN, M&P, 92F, and SIG don't do it for me. More issues with performance and ergos for my taste.

All mentioned are great guns...so don't get me wrong...I just think the best for ME, right out of the box, KNOWING I'm going into a gunfight: Springfield XD Tactical in 45 ACP.

SwampWolf
December 8, 2009, 05:31 PM
Bet my life on? Straight out of the box? Without so much as a single practice round through it? Are you kidding me? None of them. Not one.

The op posed the question with the caveat "if you have to..." It's a "for the sake of argument" poser. Nobody is suggesting that you should; only "what if you had to?" And, for me, if I had to, it'd be a Smith Third Generation variant-any one of them.

PT1911
December 8, 2009, 05:36 PM
I would have to go with the xd. I Dont own one currently, but they have thus far proven themselves to have every advantage of the Glock, a better trigger, better sights, a better grip angle (for me), and perhaps most importantly, they dont jam as a result of "limp wristing." I know, i know... dont limp wrist... well, you never know what will happen in a gun fight...shoot your Glock without a good grip and it turns into an expensive yet compicated single shot.

the hudge
December 8, 2009, 06:04 PM
Glock.

CZ223
December 8, 2009, 07:12 PM
pick up a gun that he hasn't run hundreds of rounds through and " go to a gunfight". I also know that most would pick up a rifle or shotgun rather than a handgun. Also, if you have any common sense and you know there is gonna be a gunfight that isn't coming to you, you are best off declining the invitation and just staying home.:D

In case some of you haven't gotten it yet this was just another way of asking which gun do you believe to be the most reliable straight out of the box. The answers are running just about the way I had expected with Glock and XD heading up the list. I think the XD might have the lead at this point.

I wish I had known how to make this a poll, I would have. The good news is that had I made it a poll I would have left out some of the choices that have already been made like the Makarov and I would have gotten heck for it.

EddieNFL
December 8, 2009, 07:33 PM
The tight tollerances of the 1911 frame rules out ALL makes.

Among internet/gunshop myths, that has to rank in the top five along with, "Glocks will pass through airport security undetected," and "The .44 magnum will knock a man down if you hit him anywhere but the thumb."

jon_in_wv
December 8, 2009, 09:54 PM
For me its the Makarov, H&K P7, SIG P226/P220, and the Beretta 92.

Ryder
December 8, 2009, 10:08 PM
In case some of you haven't gotten it yet this was just another way of asking which gun do you believe to be the most reliable straight out of the box.

Not really. Every gun I've bought worked straight out of the factory box. Why would I not assume that to continue to be the case? That's a lot of guns from a variety of manufacturers.

What the question implies IMO is whether you are willing to do anything and everything to save your life. It would appear some people have limitations in that regard.

Big Mike
December 8, 2009, 10:12 PM
Beretta 92.

NWCP
December 8, 2009, 10:49 PM
Any HK USP, or any P7 series HK. I own several and have never had any failure regardless of caliber.

NinjaFeint
December 8, 2009, 10:54 PM
A Glock 17, mine has yet to fail to do anything. Amongst my friends we have about 10-12 Glocks and they all function flawlessly.

m2steven
December 8, 2009, 11:48 PM
Any of my 3 or 4 glocks. My 22c, my 26, and my 32. The 22c is a hoss and it's never failed, the 26 has never failed, and the 32 is a tack driver. Glock is the boss if you want a polymer pistol. In my mind, they are the boss over most other pistols too. I have other pistols, but the glocks have instilled in me revolver like confidence.

JEB
December 9, 2009, 01:09 AM
Glock. any one in .40

phanderson
December 9, 2009, 01:54 AM
H & K USP .45 Compact.

FunYet
December 9, 2009, 02:02 AM
Glock 26 or 19

Cactus Jack Arizona
December 9, 2009, 02:16 AM
I'll continue the Hi Power and Makarov parade. :neener:

sarduy
December 9, 2009, 02:18 AM
Glock

Mr.510
December 9, 2009, 06:28 AM
Any XD with any commercial ammo is reliable enough for me right outta the box. I prefer .45s and that's what I'm used to so I'd go with an XD45. Slide and grip length don't matter, but if I'm headed to a gunfight I want a full 13 round magazine.... or six. :cool:

CZ223
December 9, 2009, 07:44 AM
you are either one very lucky man or you just haven't bought enough guns yet.:D. It would be foolish for anyone to assume that just because they bought any one gun by brand X and it performed flawlessly for them that they or others would have the same experience. There are certain guns out there that have stellar reputations for feeding anything and everything you put through them. There are also those that have reps as jamo-matics. Just because I have a Taurus PT1911 that has never jammed with any factory ammo I have put through it after 2800 plus rounds does not mean that I am willing to say that they are out of the box reliable. Mine was, but I might have just gotten lucky. Lets hope not I have another arriving today or tomorrow.:D I have had much more experience with Glocks, I have owned eight and they were all reliable right out of the box. There is also a mountain of eveidence to suggest that they are one of the most reliable pistols out there. The same is becoming true of pistols like the sprinfield XD and maybe even the new Smiths. As I already have said I carry a Kimber 1911 daily right now and I love and trust it but it did not work right when I got it nor did two other 1911s that I have had in the past.

s0nspark
December 9, 2009, 08:17 AM
Glock in 9mm, out of the box...

(I'd actually prefer a bigger caliber but some of those Glocks seem to like a bit of break-in time)

katokahn99
December 9, 2009, 11:33 AM
When replying to the comment about NIB 1911s having reliability issues, a poster said:

Among internet/gunshop myths, that has to rank in the top five. . .

Yeah, OK, that's why my series 70 Commander shot smooth as butter while ALL my buddies had issues with their brand new Kimbers and Springfields. Five out of five of them had issues until they had 500 to 1k + rounds through them and some after market clean-up/tweaks done to theme. It aint a myth to me...I've seen it first hand.
My piece was already old and well used when it came into my possession. Not one issue.

CZ223 said: As I already have said I carry a Kimber 1911 daily right now and I love and trust it but it did not work right when I got it nor did two other 1911s that I have had in the past.

Another example. It's no myth to him either!

Don't get me wrong, I love 1911s!!! But come on...NIB to a gunfight??? No stinkin' way. Once you've put the time in to get them running smoothly, nothing compares.

musicman
December 9, 2009, 11:37 AM
glock !

s0nspark
December 9, 2009, 11:51 AM
But come on...NIB to a gunfight??? No stinkin' way.


Prudence suggests that this is the best attitude regardless of the gun in question. Even the most reliable designs suffer occasionally from manufacturing problems or the odd confluence of issues.

Simply put, I would never really bet my life on *any* firearm or ammo that had not been verified to be reliable. 300 rounds, 3000 rounds... whatever I judged necessary...

I do favor Glocks for their general reliability and simplicity, but even there I won't carry something I have not personally vetted. In my book, trust is earned, regardless of name. :-)

Glock_fan
December 9, 2009, 12:03 PM
My Glock 17 without a doubt

SwampWolf
December 9, 2009, 12:04 PM
Quote:
In case some of you haven't gotten it yet this was just another way of asking which gun do you believe to be the most reliable straight out of the box.

Not really. Every gun I've bought worked straight out of the factory box. Why would I not assume that to continue to be the case? That's a lot of guns from a variety of manufacturers.

What the question implies IMO is whether you are willing to do anything and everything to save your life. It would appear some people have limitations in that regard.

I don't get what is so hard to understand about the op's question. If every pistol you've shot has "worked straight out of the factory box" and said experience(s) is sufficient to make you believe that all pistols are equal in that regard, then it seems that your answer would be a simple one: from Hi-Point to High Power and from Auto-Mag to Zastava, "It doesn't make any difference." Why would you ever assume otherwise?

katokahn99
December 9, 2009, 12:12 PM
Prudence suggests that this is the best attitude regardless of the gun in question. Even the most reliable designs suffer occasionally from manufacturing problems or the odd confluence of issues.

Simply put, I would never really bet my life on *any* firearm or ammo that had not been verified to be reliable. 300 rounds, 3000 rounds... whatever I judged necessary...

I do favor Glocks for their general reliability and simplicity, but even there I won't carry something I have not personally vetted. In my book, trust is earned, regardless of name. :-)

+1

I hear ya...but the OP didn't give the option of opting out of having to pick a NIB piece and go into a gunfight. The parameters given for us to answer the question imply that we have no choice but to pick a gun and go fight.

So I guess another way to phrase the question is: "Based on observations and experiences, what semi-auto handguns would be most reliable right out of the box?"

kamagong
December 9, 2009, 12:16 PM
None. I'm not going to rely on any gun unless it's been personally tested by me.

MICHAEL T
December 9, 2009, 01:16 PM
How about all the non gun people that buy a pistol . At the local Gander store,Dealer or pawnshop along with a box of ammo. Load it and put it in a drawer. Should they not expect this pistol they paid from a couple hundred to say a $1000+ to work right from box if needed . I think so .
We are not normal gun owners here. Many people never shoot their pistols or hardly ever . But I do believe they have a right to expect the pistol to work. Just as I would expect the revolver to work. No 500 round break in or any other hog wash excuse. Open box, load and fire , 1 complete mag no problem min. . Is this to much to expect ? Has quality control dropped that far. I am serious I see people every day buy a gun at dealer I hang out at and I know they won't shoot it even once a year. But it will be loaded that night for home defense. They deserve a pistol that works. Be it a Hi Point , Kimber, Springfield , S&W ,Colt ,Glock kelTec or what ever.
We are a small % we practice and test ammo . Majority of gun owners don't and sure don't come to boards like this .
May be the gun company's need to be held accountable for what they produce if their that bad. If gun needs 500 or what ever rounds break in .Then I think company should supply ammo and I will supply the time. In today s world they can make a reliable out of box pistol.

EHL
December 9, 2009, 01:17 PM
I'd opt with an original Colt GI 1911, with ball ammo. A distant second would be an XD.

Carl N. Brown
December 9, 2009, 01:33 PM
H&k usp

s0nspark
December 9, 2009, 02:04 PM
Should they not expect this pistol they paid from a couple hundred to say a $1000+ to work right from box if needed . I think so.


I am not challenging the expectation so much... of course we all expect brand new things to work out of the box. That is a far cry, though, from the idea that we can *depend* on them to which is unwise and in 99.9999% of cases unnecessary (Hollywood blockbusters excepted...)

Any mechanical device is subject to fail out of the box a small percentage of the time, especially the more moving parts it has. That is just the world we live in. It only makes sense, then, that if you do intend to trust your life to any firearm that you would take some simple, common sense precautions beforehand:

1) know how to properly operate your gun (and READ THE MANUAL)
2) familiarize yourself with the proper malfunction clearing drills for your gun
3) practice steps 1 and 2 regularly to where you do not have to think about the "how" (dry fire!)
4) verify your gun works reliably with your choice of ammo (i.e. 250 rounds+ without any kind of malfunction is my personal minimum)

If referring to this procedure (particularly step 4) as a "necessary break in period" offends you then call it whatever you like, but there *are* sound reasons why this is recommended practice with any new carry gun, regardless of model or cost.

If the OP wanted to know what guns are generally considered more reliable out of the box then that is one thing. It is something else entirely to suggest that any such consensus be the primary basis for someone's feeling of readiness when it comes to protecting their life.

Yes, most gun owners do not practice enough (or at all) and most want to think the most critical choices they make as gun owners are which gun to buy or what ammo to use in it.

The truth, however, is that the biggest decision they ever make is whether or not to practice and be prepared!

Guns and more
December 9, 2009, 04:10 PM
Cz-75
h&k p-30

johnvid
December 9, 2009, 05:28 PM
XD always fires without fail. I'm also inpressed with my new Makarov.

okespe04
December 9, 2009, 05:47 PM
Glock 9mm any one em 26, 19, 17

f4t9r
December 9, 2009, 05:59 PM
That would be HK.
I have also had great expierence with Sig & Springfield XD.
I would not have a problem with my Kimber and love the 1911 but I agree out of the box for me it would be:
1. HK
2. XD
3. Sig

76shuvlinoff
December 9, 2009, 06:39 PM
I've had XDs, still own one for EDC. Did some training with Sig, Glock and bought a fullsize Kimber a while back. None of these 4 makes EVER let me down.

Standing in front of a pile of guns "out of the box" and the S has hit the F I'd grab an XD or Glock. The only thing holding a Sig back for me is the decocker and the Kimber? Well mine has been perfect since new but with all the internet stories I read I wouldn't grab a spanking tight brandy-ass new one for a gun fight unless I had to.

gamboolman
December 9, 2009, 06:57 PM
Glock - I carry one every day as my CCW

mrjohnston
December 9, 2009, 09:04 PM
A gunfight? Give a xd in .45, preferably a tactical version. Next up would be a glock .45.

03Shadowbob
December 9, 2009, 09:37 PM
Even though I hate to say it...Glock

CZ223
December 9, 2009, 10:25 PM
Don't be ashamed,they are ugly but they work.:D At least that has been my experiense YMMV. Michael T Hit on some good points about non shooters buying guns with which I agree to a certain point. In fact the Kimber that I carry has a bit of a scary history. I bought it used and it was obvious from wear on the ambi safety that it had been carried a lot. The gun was three years old when I got it. The scary part is that it would not even feed a full mag of ball ammo without jambing. When I had my friend tune the extractor, he told me that the gun was virtualy brand new on the inside and he doubted that it had been fired much at all. I asked him what caused the wear on the safety and he told me exactly what I had suspected, holster wear. The previous owner was carrying a gun that probably never worked right.:what:

thriftyjoe
December 9, 2009, 11:54 PM
If i was heading into a forest for an unknown amount of time i would bring the XD45 along

johnnylaw53
December 10, 2009, 07:46 AM
First if I knew I was going to gun fight I would suddenly remember I had something more pressing that just can not wait. If there was not way to get out of it I would take my shotgun. But in respond to your question being what handgun I have the most faith in out of the box Beretta 92.

be safe

nwilliams
December 10, 2009, 08:17 AM
I know I suck and I know they hate me but I would have to say the HK USP gets my vote.

The Beretta 92 is also hard to beat when it comes to out of the box use and abuse reliability.

Drail
December 10, 2009, 04:47 PM
Trusting a weapon to function out of the box without testing it is like jumping out of an aircraft with a brand new chute that you didn't pack or inspect yourself. An act of faith. I didn't get to be old by having that sort of blind faith in people or mechanical devices. I love to do crazy stuff as much as the next guy but only if I get to check out the gear first. (I do my own brake work)

inSight-NEO
December 10, 2009, 05:02 PM
Sig Sauer P220....its the only semi-auto I own that has yet to fail me once since day one. The Sig P239 also falls within this category.

Since administering a bit of "smoothing" to my XD45 (due to a pre-mature slide lock issue), it has also proven every bit as reliable as the Sig. But, since it did not come that way "out of the box," I must leave that honor to Sig alone.

SharpsDressedMan
December 10, 2009, 05:32 PM
Any gun that hasn't been handled, altered, or influenced by Murphy. He seems to have messed with all guns at one time or another.............

EddieNFL
December 10, 2009, 05:35 PM
He seems to have messed with all guns at one time or another.............

Not until you need it.

MTS840
December 11, 2009, 12:44 AM
For me it's a tough choice: Either my G20 or my G21.

12131
December 11, 2009, 01:14 AM
Which semi-auto pistol would you bet your life on out the box?
Any of these, I would:
G19/17, Berettta M9/92FS, Ruger P89/90/95, HK USP9c, Sig P225/228.

Gelgoog
December 11, 2009, 04:20 PM
none, no pistol should be used for self defense until it has been put through its paces and shown it is reliable. Every manufacturer has the possibility of producing a lemon, or letting something slip through QC.

CZ223
December 11, 2009, 05:00 PM
I went back through the last 122 posts and tried to come up with a tally. Having read through them earlier I had a general idea of which guns seemed to have mentioned most so I made a list of 7 (then I added an any 1911 column). when it was all said and done I probably should have put in S&W and CZ, but I didn't. They both garnered about 5 votes each as first choice. If a poster mentioned 3 guns I took the first on his list if it was on my list of 7. If his first choice wasn't on my list I kept going till I came up with one that was. So, this is how it washes out so far.

Glock 35 votes
Springfield XD 17 votes
H&K 12 votes
Browning 6 votes
Beretta 4 votes
Sig 3 votes
Makarov 3 votes
1911 4 votes

If you have read through these, as I have done, several times, you will probably think that Makarov got a lot more votes than it actually di because while it was mentioned a fair amount it was almost always the posters second choice. The same is true of others as well.

Obviously there aren't as many votes as as there are posts. Most of this can be attributed to people not understanding the basic premise of my original question, people disagreeing with what someone else said or me, running my yap. :D

sanerkeki
December 11, 2009, 05:05 PM
xd any time

Silent Bob
December 11, 2009, 05:38 PM
HK USP.

Runner-up would be a Beretta 92FS

Bovice
December 11, 2009, 05:46 PM
any 1911. or a browning hi power.

nahhhhhhht.

For me, it's pretty much any fullsize or compact Sig. Only model I'd skip on would be the P220 with the internal extractor. I've heard bad things about that particular design.

Franco
December 14, 2009, 05:39 PM
I have 2 sigs (P239 and P229) in 40 S&W. I would take the P229 into war. Accurate to 20 yds, fast as hell, holds 10+ rounds and has never jammed or misfired in 3 years and thousands of rounds (it's my "beside the bed gun"). The P239 is not as accurate but it's my carry/car gun so I don't intend to shoot very far with it....

I used to own a Glock 9mm and it jammed often unless you used certain copper coated round tip bullets. I sold it. I also prefer the heftier, solid steel feel from the Sig over the plastic feel of the Glock.

possum
December 14, 2009, 06:07 PM
i would prefer it to be a sa xd service model if i could choose exacts. however i would trust a glock, h&k, sig and a few others.

1SOW
December 14, 2009, 07:19 PM
Sig, XD or XD, Sig

Dr.Mall Ninja
December 14, 2009, 07:33 PM
From what I read about them(whatever that is worth) i'd go with a sig

BADSBSNF81
December 14, 2009, 07:46 PM
Glock

TheProf
December 14, 2009, 08:23 PM
Beretta 92 (M9).....super reliable!!!!! Zero malfunctions in 2000 rounds.

moooose102
December 15, 2009, 07:50 AM
NONE! i dont care if you spend $5k on a pistol, there is no way i would just load it and carry it for personal protection right out of the box. at a BARE BONES MINIMUM, i would want to shoot 200 rounds through any gun, then clean the heck out of it before putting it into service. in the first place, even forgetting the chance that it may fail, how are you going to know if it shoots where you point it if you do not shoot it?! it would be really bad, if you had to shoot someone, and instead of hitting the "perp", you hit a victim, or inocent bystander! can you say, jail time?!

CornCod
December 15, 2009, 07:59 AM
If extremely wierd circumstances forced me to carry a handgun "out of the box" without test firing, I suppose I would pick a 9mm Browning Hi-Power.

umn1978
December 15, 2009, 08:06 AM
i would choose glock 19

Full Metal Jacket
December 15, 2009, 08:08 AM
CZ, springfield operator 1911's, or Glock. :)

Loyalist Dave
December 15, 2009, 08:12 AM
Glock 22. (The full sized .40 S&W for folks who don't know the model configurations) I did have to use it right out of the box for SD, and it did just fine.

LD

Perseverance
December 15, 2009, 09:03 AM
Hk usp, all day.

TimboKhan
December 15, 2009, 09:07 AM
Ruger P90 without even a close second.

gamboolman
December 15, 2009, 05:34 PM
Glock - I have three G-26's and a G-30 and they eat any kind of ammo.
I have a Colt and a Berretta and they are good guns but I have had more FTF's and FTE's w/them than with my Glocks.
When I go shoot I will run ~500 rds thru my guns and my Glocks rarely have issue's. I am talking thousands of rounds of the cheapest and dirtiest ammo we can get.
I CCW my G-26 everyday.
For what it is worth - I had a PM-9 and got a full refund on it due to it not functioning.

LUPUS
December 15, 2009, 05:52 PM
SIG Sauer P226, CZ 75, Ruger P85 and Browning HP MKIII...
Since those are the pistol never failed in my hands, ever...
Now I am giving a try to a Glock19 and it is trouble free for approximately 1000 rounds till now.

jcox265
December 15, 2009, 06:06 PM
my glock 23 has never jammed

Jacky Treehorn
December 15, 2009, 06:18 PM
CZ P-01

I left this thing in my saltwater kayak over a week by accident...I had it on me when doing a lagoon fishing excursion for a few days in some hard core elements with my brother and his lady friend. 100+ F degree weather, wind, saltwater, high humidity. I use an umbrella for a make-shift/jerry-rigged sail and we came on some heavy winds...I was not counter balanced enough on my kayak, and I went in the drink (had to do an open water re-entry). Ended up camping out there for 2 more days ( I had stowed the gun in a drywell after trying to do a quick clean). Anyway, the next week when I retrieved it out of the kayak - the thing was caked in salt.

I tried doing a quick dirty functional test. It functioned flawlessly. I took it to the range before fully cleaning the crud off - and no failures. Went bang every time. I was sure to clean it after that incident. This thing is a swiss watch :D

daveit
December 15, 2009, 06:29 PM
Although I love my Springfield Armory XD9sc it has stove-piped and FTE at the range probably 4-5 times in a couple thouand rounds. My Glock 17 has been 100% in about the same number of rounds and I shoot it better (of course...it's not a sub-compact). I like them both, but trust the Glock more.

R.LYNN
December 15, 2009, 09:36 PM
Any Glock! No doubt!

LAK Supply
December 16, 2009, 01:45 AM
I have several autos in SIG, HK, Springfield, Keltec, Glock, etc. I would have to say Glock... simple and reliable. I've never had one fail when it was factory original. They're all good guns... just more parts to fail in the others, and I haven't fired my XDm's enough to trust them like the Glocks I've fired thousands of rounds through.

ECHOONE
December 16, 2009, 02:15 AM
Springfield Operator 5" slide

I was a vet,I used the 1911 platform during my service in a conflict,it was one reliable weapon,I never had a problem with it,I don't understand how other's can cry that they are so unreliable,unless they are failing to maintain them properly,if so that's operator error due to laziness,not the weapons fault. This post started out sounding like a bash to all pistols from the get go as the preference of the person was his GLOCK,which has just as many problems as any other pistol and the reason so many LE agencies are dropping them,They have lost a huge amount of the sales they once had! I wonder why If there so reliable!

s0nspark
December 16, 2009, 06:52 AM
I used the 1911 platform during my service in a conflict,it was one reliable weapon,I never had a problem with it,I don't understand how other's can cry that they are so unreliable,unless they are failing to maintain them properly


From what I have heard, service 1911s were not manufactured to the same tolerances that a lot of today's models are. Their lower tolerances allowed the guns to be more reliable at the cost of some accuracy...


This post started out sounding like a bash to all pistols from the get go as the preference of the person was his GLOCK,which has just as many problems as any other pistol and the reason so many LE agencies are dropping them,They have lost a huge amount of the sales they once had! I wonder why If there so reliable!


Well... I won't speak to the amount of trouble one could expect out of a Glock (I've had none myself, but a percentage of any manufactured good is subject to issues) ... I would say, however, that agencies switching to other pistols has much less to do with reliability than agency politics, budget, and perhaps public relations...

mcdonl
December 16, 2009, 07:37 AM
I don't even own one, but I would say glock. I say this because I know some very serious collectors, shooters and LEO's who are gun guys. All of them have several guns, one guy has a HUGE 1911 collection... but... they ALL carry glocks.

SwampWolf
December 16, 2009, 10:55 AM
NONE! i dont care if you spend $5k on a pistol, there is no way i would just load it and carry it for personal protection right out of the box. at a BARE BONES MINIMUM, i would want to shoot 200 rounds through any gun, then clean the heck out of it before putting it into service. in the first place, even forgetting the chance that it may fail, how are you going to know if it shoots where you point it if you do not shoot it?!

Can some of you people ever get past your own narrow mind-set and make an effort to discern what the op had in mind when he started this thread? The poster posed a quandry, a "what if"? question. What IF you HAD to?

Just for the sake of argument, what IF you were being chased by a madman hell-bent on killing you. He is close on your heels, only five minutes and 500 yards separate you from him. As you round the bend, you happen upon a gunshop. You rush into the store but, strangely, no clerk is present. But, on the counter are ten brand new, unfired semi-auto pistols, each one from a different but respected company. The appropriate ammunition is situated nearby. IF YOU HAD TO-which pistol would you select? From your own experience and accounts from others, which brand/type would you pick "straight-out-of-the-box" to save your arse?

Or would you rather go out back to start test-firing pistols; making darn sure they are thoroughly cleaned before you trust any one of them with your life? :rolleyes:

s0nspark
December 16, 2009, 11:01 AM
Just for the sake of argument, what IF you were being chased by a madman hell-bent on killing you. He is close on your heels, only five minutes and 500 yards separate you from him. As you round the bend, you happen upon a gunshop. You rush into the store but, strangely, no clerk is present. But, on the counter are ten brand new, unfired semi-auto pistols, each one from a different but respected company. The appropriate ammunition is situated nearby. IF YOU HAD TO-which pistol would you select?


If that were the situation (which the OP did NOT specify) then the answer is simple... the first one I could grab.

... unless it was a Hi-Point, then the *second* one I could grab...

:-)

Mikhail Weiss
December 16, 2009, 01:46 PM
Any Glock, Sig, Ruger, M&P, CZ, HK, Beretta, XD, plus a few others.

hawk45
December 16, 2009, 02:17 PM
Glock or Sig

Va Shooter
December 16, 2009, 02:24 PM
XDM9mm flawless, Glocks (don't like 'em but they work)

Va Shooter

SwampWolf
December 16, 2009, 02:59 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by SwampWolf
Just for the sake of argument, what IF you were being chased by a madman hell-bent on killing you. He is close on your heels, only five minutes and 500 yards separate you from him. As you round the bend, you happen upon a gunshop. You rush into the store but, strangely, no clerk is present. But, on the counter are ten brand new, unfired semi-auto pistols, each one from a different but respected company. The appropriate ammunition is situated nearby. IF YOU HAD TO-which pistol would you select?

If that were the situation (which the OP did NOT specify) then the answer is simple... the first one I could grab.

I tried to concoct an imaginary scenario that reflects what the op had in mind with his poser that some posters didn't seem discern with their repeated admonitions to fire the gun to test for reliability before engaging in a gunfight. Here's what the OP DID specify:

Title of thread: "Which semiauto pistol would you bet your life on out of the box?"
"...If you had to pick up a brand new semiauto HANDGUN and go to a gunfight, which gun would it be?"
"...I know that no one would ever want to pick up a gun that he hasn't run hundreds of rounds through and go to a 'gun fight'..."
"...In case some of you haven't gotten it yet, this was just another way of asking which gun do you believe to be the most reliable straight out of the box?"

If I have been misinterpreting the OP's intent with the gist of his question, I'm sure he'll be along to correct me.

The_Shootist
December 16, 2009, 03:08 PM
Mak or G19

s0nspark
December 16, 2009, 03:16 PM
I tried to concoct an imaginary scenario that reflects what the op had in mind with his poser that some posters didn't seem discern with their repeated admonitions to fire the gun to test for reliability before engaging in a gunfight.


... and yours was about the only scenario where it would be advisable behavior. LOL

The admonition to make sure a firearm is proven before trusting your life to it IS a valid one... not so much for us gun enthusiasts (because we should know already) but for those new to firearms that just might be firming up purchase decisions based on all of this chatter. Consider it the "don't try this at home" disclaimer... :-)

Anyway, the REAL question here is... why didn't the OP just do a POLL??? :-p

EdLaver
December 16, 2009, 03:18 PM
HK USP, GLOCK, and 92FS

SwampWolf
December 16, 2009, 03:45 PM
The admonition to make sure a firearm is proven before trusting your life to it IS a valid one...

And no one that I know of is disputing that. For the umpteenth time, the OP merely posed the "what if" question in an effort to ascertain which semiauto pistol people trusted the most in terms of "out of the box" reliability. How hard is that to grasp? Everybody agrees that any firearm intended for use in self-defense should be thoroughly tested with live firing a minimum of 200 rounds-and more is better.

s0nspark
December 16, 2009, 03:58 PM
For the umpteenth time, the OP merely posed the "what if" question in an effort to ascertain which semiauto pistol people trusted the most in terms of "out of the box" reliability. How hard is that to grasp?


Uh, yeah, I got that... the first time you said it.

I was merely explaining _why_ I felt it important to qualify the discussion in the first place - because not everyone reading this would necessarily frame the responses in that context.

Really, there is no need to get all stirred up over this! The lack of staying on point with a thread topic is a core tenet of web forums after all ;-P

SwampWolf
December 16, 2009, 05:03 PM
I was merely explaining _why_ I felt it important to qualify the discussion in the first place - because not everyone reading this would necessarily frame the responses in that context.

Then why do you keep repeating the obvious? This is a gun forum after all. Many have reiterated ad nauseum: test your gun before trusting it. We've got it. Move on.

s0nspark
December 16, 2009, 05:51 PM
Then why do you keep repeating the obvious? This is a gun forum after all. Many have reiterated ad nauseum: test your gun before trusting it. We've got it. Move on.

Keep repeating?? Aside from explaining my reasoning to you in the last two posts, I only mentioned it twice, once in passing agreement (http://www.thehighroad.org/showpost.php?p=6095775&postcount=93) with katokahn99's comment and once detailing what I consider prudent precautions (http://www.thehighroad.org/showpost.php?p=6096089&postcount=101) as counterpoint to MICHAEL T's assertion that we *should* be able to trust a gun out of the box...

I really don't understand why you seem to be so bent about others discussing this anyway - it is, after all, related to the OP's question.

Next time it'd be helpful if you'd display your THR Thread Police badge up front to properly identify yourself...

SwampWolf
December 16, 2009, 06:31 PM
The lack of staying on point with a thread topic is a core tenet of web forums after all ;-P

I'm trying to stay on topic. There's nothing in the OP's topic that references break-in procedures. Those (your self included) who desperately try to shoehorn in advice and admonitions concerning the adviseability of testing a gun to insure its reliability are the ones deviating from the thread topic by answering a question that was never asked.

I really don't understand why you seem to be so bent about others discussing this anyway

I guess because I'm attempting to abide by the "core tenet of web forums"- staying on topics. If you are so hell-bent on discussing the merits of insuring the reliability of firearms before depending on one, I suggest you start your own thread-or, better yet, use the search function; the subject has been hashed over ad infinitum.

mordechaianiliewicz
December 16, 2009, 07:24 PM
Glock 17/19, followed directly by Ruger P89/90/345, followed by anything from Sig Sauer.

Teddyb
December 16, 2009, 07:33 PM
If you have to pick up a brand new semi auto "HANDGUN" and go to a gunfight, which gun would it be. For me it would be a Glock, any Glock. If all you other smart guys have got there first and have taken all the Glocks my second choice would be a Sprinfield XD anything. I hate em but I have owned one and they do indeed work everytime (provided you grip the gun the right way). Notice that I said semi auto and not revolver. I love revolvers but I am looking for which semi-auto handgun you guys believe will go bang everytime you pull the trigger. Be honest. By the way, just to show that I am not biased, I am currently carrying a Kimber 1911, BUT I would not choose any 1911 under the parameters given, especially a Kimber.:what: It works now.
First would be any Glock


Last would be any 1911

s0nspark
December 16, 2009, 09:28 PM
I'm trying to stay on topic.

By policing the thread? Sure you are... :rolleyes:

CDW4ME
December 16, 2009, 10:33 PM
Glock, based on experience.

skoro
December 17, 2009, 05:04 PM
Colt 1911

Not because it's really superior to any of the many fine autos already mentioned but because it's what I'm most familiar with.

CZ223
December 17, 2009, 06:48 PM
Glock 50
Springfield XD 21
HK 15
Sig 8
Browning HP 7
Beretta 5
Mak 4
Any 1911 6

In case you don't see your pick up there go back and read post 121.

I think Swampwolf explained my intent pretty well and 95% of you get it. The other 5% either don't or they just like to argue.;)

I'll say it again just to make it cear. This post is really just about which gun you believe to be most reliable out of the box.

This is supposed to be fun so lets keep it light hearted. :D

If you read my original post you will notice that I picked Glock as my first choice and the XD as my second despite not really liking the XD. Well, this post, and the obvious popularity of the XD, have made me decide to give them another try. Not imediately because I am not made of money, but sometime in the near future.

s0nspark
December 17, 2009, 07:15 PM
In case you don't see your pick up there go back and read post 121.


http://www.whatahooey.com/images/results-pie.jpg

Some pie (chart) for everyone...

ttheel
December 17, 2009, 09:22 PM
Glock or Sig

+1 in my opinion. Both very, very popular firearms in law enforcement circles. They wouldnt use them if they didnt function. Questions like this are always subjective though and you will get dozens of different responses, as you already have. I can only speak from my experience.

Marshall
December 17, 2009, 09:37 PM
Browning Hi Power

167
December 18, 2009, 12:43 AM
Glock.

But I am not certain I would feel good about picking up any untested gun and going to a gunfight with it.

WolfFox
December 18, 2009, 08:24 AM
SA light weight 1911 4", SA EMP 9, XD9 XDM40, XD45, Bersa Thunder 380 (backup). Everyone one of these run with any ammo and no problems. I do trust my life with them. I just purchased a S&W M&P 45 4" with night sights, no thumb or mag safety. If it won't run like these I will be getting rid of it. I don't keep firearms that jam... period!

w_houle
December 18, 2009, 08:51 AM
I would trust every major manufacturer right out of the box. Malfunction drills aren't for the "Mall Ninja" coolness factor, and life doesn't imitate fragging runs on Quake. I love the automatic assumption of good ammunition, or should we ask about which ammunition you trust "out of the box?"

Now back to your regularly scheduled thread of Glockeroni & Cheese vs. X brand Kool Aid :p

SwampWolf
December 18, 2009, 04:38 PM
But I am not certain I would feel good about picking up any untested gun and going to a gunfight with it.

:banghead: Nobody that I know would either. But we're stuck with the OP's whimsical poser...:evil:

w_houle
December 18, 2009, 08:15 PM
:scrutiny:If not given an option: What option do you have?
It's like asking if you were starving and broke into a cabin in the middle of the woods; what would you eat first?

SharpsDressedMan
December 18, 2009, 08:28 PM
I have and love many different guns, of many different makes. I do not, at present, own a Glock. My experience with Glocks has caused me to believe that they just might be the best out of box gun for durability and reliability, and I vote Glock on that question. If I were to arm myself for a place like Iraq or Afghanistan, I'd pack a Model 21 or 20 if I could obtain sufficient ammo.

WardenWolf
December 18, 2009, 08:55 PM
I would never trust a my life on a NEW gun out of the factory box, nor would I want to trust any other firearm without firing it first. I would, however, put reasonable trust on certain surplus firearms assuming they are clear of packing grease. My Romanian Tokarev pistol comes to mind, as a quick inspection quickly proved it to be in perfect mechanical condition and these pistols are known for feeding reliably under widely varying conditions and ammo qualities. A trip to the range confirmed this, when it ate a whole box of S&B ammo without a hiccup.

Drail
December 18, 2009, 09:07 PM
I won't trust my life to any semi auto new or used. For business use I carry a revolver.

Dutchman01
December 18, 2009, 09:19 PM
Out of the box? the browning hi-power for sure. :evil:

EastKY_DO
December 19, 2009, 12:58 PM
Based upon the guns I've had experiences with, my list would include Ruger P-95 & 97, Makarov, Springfield XD in 9mm and 45ACP. I've never had an issue with my Kel-Tec P3-AT, but I've read enough stories from others needing fluff and buff to work right, so that I would not take just any Kel-Tec OOB.

I haven't heard of many difficulties with S&W M&P models or Glocks, but I don't have much experience with either of these. I have a M&P 9c that has been 100% for me, but it's well broken in now. :)

Fetus
December 19, 2009, 01:14 PM
glock 17,19

kidcoltoutlaw
December 19, 2009, 01:36 PM
Got 4 all run 100 % of the time. Also SIG classic series ,

Thanks,Keith

arizona98tj
December 19, 2009, 07:39 PM
Springfield XD (the two I have are boringly reliable, out of the box) ;)

FMJMIKE
January 2, 2010, 11:01 PM
Glock !!! G-19 or G-21

gglass
January 3, 2010, 12:06 AM
Smith & Wesson M&P

Ky Larry
January 3, 2010, 10:03 PM
All my CZ-75's, my PCR, and my -83 have been perfect right out of the box. They even eat cheap commie-crap ammo without a hiccup.

dogbaloo
January 3, 2010, 10:58 PM
Glock.

357sigRog
January 4, 2010, 01:48 AM
Glock 357sig

Babalouie
January 4, 2010, 07:30 AM
Springfield XD or S&W M&P, both are .40s and neither have ever failed to feed or fire.

ATAShooter
January 4, 2010, 07:38 AM
XD45 - I have the 4" Service model.... 5500 rounds thru it without ANY failures. Only have cleaned it twice in 2 years. I treat this weapon like crap to be honest. It gets slid around the truck, rained on, muddy, full of **** that would make a billy goat puke and it keeps eating whatever ammo I put thru it. I would carry it into battle, anytime, anywhere.

NETO1978
January 4, 2010, 02:48 PM
1st)Glock 22 40sw
2nd)sigsauer p226
3rd)beretta 90-two

these are my guns...hehehhehehehe

alistaire
January 4, 2010, 04:17 PM
None. Every gun must be tested before serious use.

Only a baseball bat can be trusted to work first time, every time, if you do your part.

chuckusaret
January 4, 2010, 04:33 PM
Springfield XD in any caliber, I like my XD40 sub compact, it has never failed to fire for any reason.

alistaire
January 4, 2010, 04:38 PM
You know, for $200 cash I can probably hire an off-duty cop to spend the night in my house. His on-duty budies will probably spend some time there too, if I supply coffee and donuts all night long.

GunsAmerica Fan
January 4, 2010, 09:05 PM
Yes, the XD is universally reliable out of the box, but you know what, so is a Para P-14, and a Smith & Wesson M&P, and Beretta 92, and a Glock pick a number, and the H&K, and the FN, and just about every other current production auto pistol from the major manufacturers. Nobody is shipping lousy guns like they were as little as ten years ago, and why, because of the internet. The information highway has made our industry accountable, and we have the best guns ever made these days.

DERGLOCKINMEISTER
January 4, 2010, 09:56 PM
#1. Glock

#2. Glock

# 3. Well....you get the picture

chuckusaret
January 5, 2010, 03:52 PM
#1. Glock

#2. Glock

# 3. Well....you get the picture
Glock is well known for a very bad habit, my G22 had a catastrophic failure on the 3rd round fired. You can have them.

19-3Ben
January 5, 2010, 04:03 PM
Ok I'm late to the thread, but I'm going to go with the S&W M&P9.
Fantastic reliability and I would trust it in a gunfight no matter what.

devildog32713
January 5, 2010, 08:49 PM
Glock 17 with 33 round mag, crimson trace laser attachment, night sights, sure fire flashlight, hornady TAP ammo, yep, thats what I would go with.
If I needed to be quiet, Sig Mosquito with Tac-65 supressor

devildog32713
January 5, 2010, 08:52 PM
wait, actually a FN 5-7 handgun with extended mag, that makes a total of 31 rounds with 1 in the chamber, boo-ya

GoodKat
January 6, 2010, 03:53 AM
For utter reliability, probably a Sig 232, my father went at least 12 years without cleaning his once, and it has literally never malfunctioned.

NWCP
January 6, 2010, 04:12 AM
Any HK in any caliber. That said I don't carry any pistol until I've run 300-400 rounds through it. Out of the box and with a field clean and lube as well. I won't use any weapon until I have all the factory grease cleaned off and a quality lube put on.

NWCP
January 6, 2010, 04:13 AM
Any HK in any caliber. That said I don't carry a pistol until I've run 300-400 rounds through it. Out of the box and with a field clean and lube as well.

iyaoyas98
January 6, 2010, 09:10 PM
XD9 tactical. Wow, that wasn't hard at all.

jad0110
January 6, 2010, 09:45 PM
Easy ... none.

Sapper771
January 7, 2010, 12:24 AM
My personal choice would be any full sized Glock handgun. I have owned and used a lot of Glocks in my lifetime and I have never seen one legitimately malfunction.

sarduy
January 7, 2010, 12:30 AM
glock 17 ;)

umn1978
January 7, 2010, 11:18 AM
Hk p7m8

Federalist1
January 7, 2010, 05:20 PM
I was curious and had to ask. After reading through many of the posts and seeing the XD do so well, and seeing very little mention of Kimber, why is that?

I've had dealers poo poo the XD and of course some of the advertisements would have you believe that Kimber is the best thing since sex. Only trouble being that Kimber is very proud of their guns. ($$)

I even thought their new Ultra CDP II in .45 might be a good CCW. Am I way off?

So -- whazzup>? Please educate me. Thanks in advance.

19-3Ben
January 7, 2010, 05:23 PM
For utter reliability, probably a Sig 232, my father went at least 12 years without cleaning his once, and it has literally never malfunctioned.

That's actually quite unusual. Mine begins to malfunction after about 250 rounds have gone down range. A quick wipe down of the feed ramp, chamber, and slide rails and I'm back in business though. I have heard similar experiences from others.

Tom Fury
January 9, 2010, 04:59 AM
Sigh: 3rd gen S&W anything; 457.
cheers, TF

winchester '97
January 9, 2010, 01:58 PM
+1 on the makarov. that little gun is what is the one i keep loaded in the house, so i kind of am betting my life on it. And to put it simply, the Soviet Union didnt keep crap weapons in front line service for that long.

P97
January 9, 2010, 05:27 PM
Ruger KP97DC

deanodog
January 9, 2010, 06:38 PM
A 4566 for me followed by 5906. I guess I just love those 3rd Gen S&Ws

roaddog28
January 9, 2010, 06:41 PM
I don't count on any semi-autos as my "go to gun in a fight". But if I had too I would pick a Ruger P95. I know I will get a reaction. I like Berettas, CZs, Sigs and Springfields. But the P95 has been known to work with all kinds of ammo does not need to be broke in and is accurate enough for combat. Its not pretty but will get the job done. But with that in mind I will still take my Ruger Police Service Six or my Smith & Wesson model 10. Both are 4 inch police service revolvers. Never had one fail yet.

roaddog28

racine
January 9, 2010, 11:25 PM
Gluck

CZ223
January 10, 2010, 03:00 PM
Glock 64
XD 28
HK 17
sig 9
BHP 9
Berreta 5
Makarov 5
any/all 1911s 8

I really am surprised that this has gone on as long as it has.

omega5
January 10, 2010, 05:10 PM
Glock or SIG, just that simple:rolleyes:
Dano

Supertac45
January 10, 2010, 05:24 PM
Sig220, 226, or 229.

CZ223
January 10, 2010, 08:17 PM
I went back and counted every gun that got a vote that was a true handgun. I only counted the first choice if you listed more than one. So, it did change some of the earlier tallies because if your first choice wasn't on the list then I took the next in line that was on the list. Consequently both Glock and Sig lost a few votes along the way.
I basically sorted guns by manufacturer except for 1911s. A vote for any 1911 went into the any/all 1911 category.

Glock 61
XD 27
HK 17
CZ 10
Sig 9
Any/all 1911's 9
S&W 7
Makarov 6
Browning 6
Ruger 6
Berreta 5
Walther 1
FN 5.7 1
Taurus 1
# of people who didn't get it or didn't care to answer- Too many to count, not enough to matter.

166 votes so far

gmh1013
January 10, 2010, 08:31 PM
I dont like Glock's...sure as hell would not be a Kimber 45....
maybe a Colt Gov 1991:o

phanderson
January 10, 2010, 10:19 PM
H & K for right out of the box.
H & K Compact 45 was my carry gun for a couple of years.

navyretired 1
January 11, 2010, 06:00 AM
glock

legion3
January 11, 2010, 06:23 AM
Glock!

silent flatulence
January 11, 2010, 06:33 AM
I have a H&K usp .40 by my bedside because I trust it completely. I hold it in my hand and inspect it, I swear it's like a piece of artwork to me. I really love it, it's never failed, and usp .40's have been through torture tests perfectly. Those tests would have destroyed other guns that have more parts, and stupid features. 1911, I'm looking in your direction.

phrogmech
January 11, 2010, 09:12 AM
My US Govt issue 1911A1 45acp. With a slight modified trigger.
Semper Fi

QUICK_DRAW_McGRAW
January 11, 2010, 02:08 PM
guns i own:

S&W Sigma in .40S&W

SideArmed
January 11, 2010, 05:13 PM
Glock 17

Manco
January 11, 2010, 08:59 PM
Easy ... none.

The only sensible, prudent answer.

legion3
January 12, 2010, 05:32 AM
The only sensible, prudent answer.

Great, but what if the SHTF and you did not have your "broken in" gun and you could run into a gun store and get something new off the shelf (Autopistols please, many would grab other items I'm sure) what would you grab to use out of the box?

rskent
January 12, 2010, 05:52 AM
Schweizerische Industrie Gesellschaft

Steve

Manco
January 12, 2010, 12:33 PM
Great, but what if the SHTF and you did not have your "broken in" gun

It's not a matter of being broken in, per se, but well tested and proven to be reliable. That's probably what you meant, but I want to be explicit, that's all.

and you could run into a gun store and get something new off the shelf (Autopistols please, many would grab other items I'm sure) what would you grab to use out of the box?

In the spirit of trying to answer the original question, I'd pick one to use but I still wouldn't trust my life with it. :D Which one? I'll put in a vote for the S&W M&P, since it was my favorite when I went shopping for my first handgun.

I don't know whether it's more or less reliable out of the box than Glocks, HKs, SIGs, and others, but they all seem about the same to me. Every one of them went bang every time when I tried them, despite being filthy rental guns, while .22 LR autopistols kept jamming on me (the RSO thought I was limp-wristing the .22s :rolleyes:, but then they jammed on him, too :neener: ). My sister, who treats everything gingerly despite being fairly strong, managed to limp-wrist a Glock 17 a couple of times, causing FTEs (never happened to me, and I know it doesn't happen so easily with every individual Glock), but the others kept chugging along. I actually tried to get my own M&P to fail while testing it (loading only a single cartridge at a time for safety's sake, although it never flew out of my hand :)) but it wouldn't. There's one more tiny data point for you.

fourwedge
January 12, 2010, 01:49 PM
Ok, this is the way I think. If I know I am going to be betting my life on it and the only stipulation is that it be new out of the box I would choose something like this.... and have 30 rounds and a scope

http://i622.photobucket.com/albums/tt305/fourwedge_photos/Sigp556swat.jpg

StarDust1
January 12, 2010, 04:42 PM
Some of these posts are truly inspired humor! Seriously, before the advent of the Glock pistol, there were no semi-automatic pistols that were dependable fresh from the box, none!
Glock changed that, now everyone makes their very own version of the Glock as a matter of course, so I'll stick with the original...No pistol should ever be considered reliable enough to bet your life on, however I know a Glock is going to work out of the box, indeed, I've never had one that hasn't...

CZ223
January 14, 2010, 07:24 AM
Nice try.:D I might count it in the Sig column but I don't want to open the flood gates on this one. Early in the thread I threw out an AK based "pistol". So far I have had no votes for Uzis or Glock 18s which is good because that is not really the spirit of this thread. Again, this is merely meant to find out which pistol/brand is thought of as being the most reliable out of the box. Right now Glock has firm hold on first with the Springfield XD line in a strong second and H&K in third. I picked the first two in my original post but, I must admit, had I picked a third place it would have been the Sig. Hey two out of three ain't bad.:D

chriske
January 14, 2010, 08:49 AM
Browning High Power and/or CZ 75.
No 1911-type whatever the make/brand.

alistaire
January 14, 2010, 11:23 AM
Great, but what if the SHTF and you did not have your "broken in" gun and you could run into a gun store and get something new off the shelf (Autopistols please, many would grab other items I'm sure) what would you grab to use out of the box?

A cop.

legion3
January 14, 2010, 11:38 AM
A cop.

A rookie or a vet? How would you know the difference?

What do they say, when seconds count the police are minutes away.

senior
January 14, 2010, 01:51 PM
Like everyother question asking for an opinion, u ask 50 people and u most likely will get about 50 different answers.

Philo_Beddoe
January 14, 2010, 02:26 PM
CZ-75

Of all the pistols fired, i got the most fired through this model and had zero failures.

smoothdraw
January 14, 2010, 03:11 PM
Some of these posts are truly inspired humor! Seriously, before the advent of the Glock pistol, there were no semi-automatic pistols that were dependable fresh from the box, none!

None? Not even the 1911A1 that our soldiers used in the trenches of Pacific? That until now we are using?

W.E.G.
January 14, 2010, 03:45 PM
I'm a Glock man because Glocks are reliable and they carry LOTS of ammo, but I have to say, this gun has never failed even one time.

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd7/rkba2da/pistol%20pics/DSCN3272smaller.jpg

Also flawless:

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd7/rkba2da/pistol%20pics/RugerSecuritySix.jpg

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd7/rkba2da/pistol%20pics/Glock/kool_aidGlock.jpg

StarDust1
January 14, 2010, 07:58 PM
None? Not even the 1911A1 that our soldiers used in the trenches of Pacific? That until now we are using?
Hard to imagine a less "reliable from the box" pistol then any flavor of 1911, notoriously unreliable from the box...

StarDust1
January 14, 2010, 08:00 PM
I'm a Glock man because Glocks are reliable and they carry LOTS of ammo, but I have to say, this gun has never failed even one time.

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd7/rkba2da/pistol%20pics/DSCN3272smaller.jpg

Also flawless:

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd7/rkba2da/pistol%20pics/RugerSecuritySix.jpg

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd7/rkba2da/pistol%20pics/Glock/kool_aidGlock.jpg
Thats the first handgun I ever purchased(security-six)new, great, great wheelgun...

JZ06
January 14, 2010, 08:02 PM
1, my colt special combat gvt .45 1911 which has failed zero times.
2. my glock 19c 9mm with nearly 9200 rds through it! it's had a few fte's but that wasn't the guns fault, limp wristing new shooters. otherwise, it is rock solid. i trust it fully.
3. any makarov! load up the darn magazine and fire it!! luckily, i have a very good bulgarian model.

Majik
January 14, 2010, 08:16 PM
Something with a hammer. Taurus/Baretta 92 or a 1911 probably. I don't fancy glocks because my hands dont fit them well.

Really, a .45colt or .44mag revolver would be the supreme choice for power and control in my hands

fourwedge
January 14, 2010, 08:38 PM
CZ223, Sorry I guess I missed you throwing out the AK based pistol.... I was trying to tell the truth and be funny. Ok if that one didn't count I will choose this one... Which I love. I didn't by it NIB but I would bet my life on a CZ p-01 NIB.

http://i622.photobucket.com/albums/tt305/fourwedge_photos/IMG_0146.jpg

CZ223
January 14, 2010, 11:27 PM
Glock 66
XD 27
HK 19
CZ 12
Sig 11
Any/all 1911's 12
S&W 9
Makarov 6
Browning 7
Ruger 6
Berreta 5
Walther 1
FN 5.7 1
Taurus 2
# of people who didn't get it or didn't care to answer- Too many to count, not enough to matter.:neener:

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