Anyone using Bullseye????


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ar10
December 9, 2009, 12:48 AM
I was thinking about picking some up for handguns, but there's hardly any data on it. (at least in my reference manuals). It just seem that a powder that's been around since 1913 I'd see more load data, and from what I've read it's a pretty fast powder.
My ref: Hornady 7th ED, Speer, Alliant, and Hodgdon.

Forgot to mention, loads are .45 GAP and .40S/W. 185 and 180 gn
I can find some max load info in those calibers but not much of anything else.

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earplug
December 9, 2009, 12:54 AM
I use it for fifty foot indoor Bullseye.45 ACP 3.5 grain with a 200 grain SWC.
38 spl. 2.7 grains with a 148 grain 148 grain WC
I tested it against W231, Clays, and WST. I choose it due to lack of smoke, unburn't powder and accuracy.
It is realy a nice target powder for light loads.

gspn
December 9, 2009, 12:57 AM
I use it for .45 ACP and I love it. It meters easily, shoots consistently and burns clean.

hossfly
December 9, 2009, 01:01 AM
Yup...38 spl 2.8 grains 148 wadcutter

Jim Watson
December 9, 2009, 01:03 AM
Bullseye might be a little sudden for full charges in those high pressure calibers, but if you have a tested and published maximum load, all you need do is subtract 10% for a starting load. What more do you need?

(I would not increase above that -10% starting load unless necessary to function the action.)

MulticalinMO
December 9, 2009, 01:29 AM
I use Bullseye in:

.45 ACP 230 gr. Softball! Missour Bullet Lead Round Nose with 5 gr. Bullseye. Nice to shoot.

.40 S&W 180 gr. Missouri Bullet TC with 5 gr. Bullseye, for a fairly peppy load.

It will also work for .38 Special too, but I have not got around to loading them up yet.

Good luck!

davestarbuck
December 9, 2009, 01:30 AM
I use it in .38 special,9mm,45 acp, and 380 acp. I like simple and easy so my loads are... 3.0 gr for .38 with 158 gr lswc and .380 95 gr lrn... and 5.0 gr for 9mm 124 gr JHP and 45 230 gr fmj or lrn. Only 2 loads to remember for the practice ammo, I use factory ammo for every day carry. Works well for me :)

-Dave

chbrow10
December 9, 2009, 08:23 AM
I use it for competition loads in 9mm (147 gr plated) and 45ACP (230 gr, plated, FMJ, and Lead). I make power factor no problem and have less recoil with the same bullet than W231.

I just bought 8 pounds of the stuff. A lot of action shooters like it and use it with a heavy bullet (using the heavy bullet / fast powder combination) to make power factor with less recoil.

Shrinkmd
December 9, 2009, 08:29 AM
I've been making up 45 ACP 230 LRN with 4.5 (a nice 770 fps out of 5"), and 200 LSWC with 4.6 (800 fps 5") Lyman's manual lists higher charges, especially for the 200 SWC. And Hornady manual feels you can load them into orbit. Nice and accurate, but smoky. Good for outdoor shooting.

Ryder
December 9, 2009, 10:43 AM
I've used it for 380acp, 9mm, 45acp and 44mag. Great powder because a pound lasts forever, it makes very many loads.

In the semi-autos I use the exact same loadings mentioned by davestarbuck (except I will run 9mm down to 3.5gr minimum for increased cyclic rate). In 44mag I run 5-7gr. I use cast bullets and relegate them to the target range.

I never owned the 2 calibers you list but am in agreement with Jim Watson's warning. Those calibers are said to have tight load tolerances, not very versatile, which is likely the reason you are seeing a lack of info in that regard.

zhu3895
December 9, 2009, 10:55 AM
45 ACP and I love it. It meters easily, shoots consistently and burns clean. i agree with this

Ed Harris
December 9, 2009, 11:15 AM
For standard pressure, non+P loads in non-magnum calibers there is nothing better or more economical than Bullseye. The group of people I shoot with feed a pair of Dillon RL550Bs with it and between us shoot about 40,000 rounds a year in .38 Special and .45 ACP. The machines are set up to load 3.5 grs. of Bullseye in the .38 Special with the Saeco #348 double-end, bevel-based wadcutter, or the Saeco 160-gr. #358 Cowboy bullet in .38 Special, and 5 grs. of Bullseye with the H&G #68 200-gr. SWC or H&G 230-gr. #232 LRN in the .45 ACP. Also use 5 grs. of Bullseye with the 250-gr. Saeco #441 in the .44 Special or 6 grs. with the same #441 bullet for about 900 f.p.s. in the .44 Magnum. We buy Bullseye powder a case of four 8-lb. caddies at a time, approximately annually, have been doing so for 15 years and are not about to change powders.

LeonCarr
December 9, 2009, 11:38 AM
It has been said that more pistol matches have been won with Bullseye than any other powder. I believe it. I think I have burned about 20 pounds of Bullseye shooting 2.7 grains at a time.

Just my .02,
LeonCarr

Marlin 45 carbine
December 9, 2009, 12:34 PM
I use it for loading cast 'practice' rounds in 5 different non-magnum pistol chamberings with good results.
a poster above lists '5gr in 9mm 124 jhp' this is a max load. use w/caution.

bullseye308
December 9, 2009, 01:13 PM
I load Bullseye in 9mm, 38, 357, & 45 ACP. Nice midrange loads in everything. It works well and is economical as heck. Just be careful of a double charge as it can easily be done.

Claude Clay
December 9, 2009, 01:19 PM
bullseye for 32acp to 45 acp
though it is often dependent on case size and bbl length.
40 i use powe pistol [180 gr] to replicate a factory round.

tggdeer
December 9, 2009, 07:02 PM
I use it in 9mm and 40 s&w.. Produces accurate loads. It's economical. A little dirty, but good powder.+++++++

Offfhand
December 9, 2009, 07:19 PM
Lets put it this way, more real competitions, (NRA style 25 & 50 yard, where accuracy really is important.) have probably been won with Bullseye loaded .38 and .45's than all other propellants put together.

schmeky
December 9, 2009, 07:40 PM
Bullseye is a powder icon. I have used it for nearly 30 years and still do. But the newer generation of younger shooters don't use it. They go for VV, Accurate Arms, Hodgen powders, and others.

I've tried many different "newer" fast burn powders for 9mm, 40, and 45. Despite all the newer powders, I have yet to find anything that works better than Bullseye. The "dirty" thing is of no consequence for me since I shoot grease groove cast bullets anyway.

atblis
December 9, 2009, 07:53 PM
Works just fine for 9mm.

_N4Z_
December 9, 2009, 08:28 PM
I use Bullseye for both .38spec and light .357mag.

Best I've found for this application.

J2FLAN
December 9, 2009, 10:33 PM
200gr lswc over 4gr BE 45ACP
155gr lswc over 4.7gr BE 40 S&W
My fav loads for Bullseye--- it is hard to beat

Shrinkmd
December 9, 2009, 10:55 PM
5 grs. of Bullseye with the H&G #68 200-gr. SWC or H&G 230-gr. #232 LRN in the .45 ACP.

I am curious, what velocities are you getting with those loads? Lyman lists 5.0 gr Bullseye as max for their 230 LRN, but I recall seeing elsewhere that people go higher. I know Hornady manual goes over 5.0, to 5.7 900 fps as a max load. Has anyone ever loaded it that hot???

bluetopper
December 9, 2009, 11:43 PM
After all my Clays powder is used up I'm shooting nothing but Bullseye afterwards. Bullseye performs just as well as Clays in low pressure calibers and does not pressure spike in higher pressure calibers; much more versatile.

Some people with no experience with Bullseye in high pressure or magnum calibers are leary of it, BUT it performs wonderfully and consistently.

hossfly
December 9, 2009, 11:48 PM
Some people with no experience with Bullseye in high pressure or magnum calibers are leary of it, BUT it performs wonderfully and consistently.

What magnum loads do you use it for? I have to say I've never been tempted to even try that.

Clarence
December 10, 2009, 12:37 AM
Bullseye is great for light loads, but is not intended for use in magnum loads.

I use it in the following:

.38 Special - 2.7 gr with a 148 gr wadcutter
.357 - 3.0 gr with a 158 semi-wadcutter
.44 Special - 4.0 gr with 240 gr semi-wadcutter
.44 Magnum - 5.0 gr with 240 gr semi-wadcutter
.45 ACP - 3.7 gr with 185 gr semi-wadcutter or 200 gr semi-wadcutter
.45 ACP - 4.0 gr with 200 gr semi-wadcutter

ar10
December 10, 2009, 01:37 AM
Sorry for the delay in responding to posts, I forgot to click on the email notification. So here's what I'm doing.
I bought (1 lb'ers) of Bullseye, Universal Clays, Power pistol, HS6. (I think that's all of them).
I went through every 40SW cases I have, sorted by head stamp, and weighed each one empty and cleaned. I have 42 different head stamps.
I selected Speer 8460 180 gr bullet and Hornady 40040 180 gn. Winchester spp's. weighing every round, and putting the same crimp on all of them, COAL is 1.20
I'm taking 4 of each head stamp and loading each powder from min to the next to max load for each brand of bullet.
We have a chrono at the range as well and hand gun sled that I'll be setting up for 40SW XD, 4" barrel. The target will be at 25' and the testing will be at the outdoor range I work at.
(It's boring as hell out there in the middle of winter so I figured I'd try to do something construction).
I'm cataloging every round I shoot and putting everything in a spread sheet.
I couldn't find too much on some of the powders and I also found a lot of differences from the manuals I have. I have the Lyman manual ordered but isn't here yet so I been using my Hornady and Speer. The smaller manuals (alliant) really doesn't give me much information, and a lot of the data is off the net.

lgbloader
December 10, 2009, 02:05 AM
I use it sometimes in 45ACP. Used to use it all the time back in the day until I discovered VV320.

I mainly use it for 148 gr wad cutters in 38 spcl. That's the main reason I keep a pound or two in my stash.

LGB

schmeky
December 10, 2009, 11:08 AM
I use it in 9, .40, & .45. 3.0gns pushing a 147gn LSWC is a tack driver in my CZ-75/9mm. 3.8-4.0gns in a .45 can shoot <1.0" in my Les Baer .45 and in my accurized CZ-97 @ 25 yards from a rest, but only when I'm having a good day:cool:.

Can't beat the economy of Bullseye as well and it's readily available most anywhere.

ar10
December 11, 2009, 02:25 PM
but if you have a tested and published maximum load, all you need do is subtract 10% for a starting load. What more do you need?

Jim:
That's what I was looking for. Alliant has a single start load for the .40SW 180gn bullet but no max.
My hornady manual shows min max for a 180gn lead bullet but nothing JHP.
There's nothing list for the 180gn in the Speer manual.
With the variations I see with the manuals published data there's between .2 ~.8 gn differences between bullets of the same weight and style.
In the slower powders it's not that critical as long as it's below the published max load.


Bullseye is different, It's #4 on burn rate, (not sure if the rate is current, but it's pretty high up on the list).
What I've seen so far is empirical data from people who use it. and that varies quite a bit as well, ie: Brand of gun and barrel length are the most common with bullet, case and primer next.
I figure I'll start at 5.0 (Alliant start load at 969fps) and reduce by 10% then work up from there. I'll try the chronograph to see how it works, It's a little twitchy when the temp gets below freezing. Once I'm done I'll post what I've got on the board.

My fault. I called Sierra after I posted and need to correct the posting. Their tech support stated they dropped the Bullseye in the newest edition of the manual but he gave me the data for the older version, 5th edition I think.
4.1 800, 4.3 850, 4.5 900
Hornady tech support didn't make a lot of sense to me. The response was Bullseye did not preform well during their testing. Of course he failed to mention the 7th edition does have it listed in other handgun calibers.

Jeff H
December 11, 2009, 03:34 PM
I use it in 9mm, 38spec and 45ACP and like it.

Akaboson
December 18, 2009, 08:43 PM
I've used Bullseye in 357 @ 3.5 gr. with a 158 gr. CSWC, and at 5.0 gr. in a 44 mag. with a cast 250 gr. Keith. Didn't seem to matter whether gas checked or not. These were shot in a 2" revolver and a 8" Contender.
Nice plinking loads. Could have gone hotter, but if I needed a hunting round, I'd go with a slower powder.

Peter M. Eick
December 18, 2009, 09:05 PM
I shoot 4.9 grns of bullseye with a 230 FMJ out of my 45 acp's. I have tinkered with it in other calibers, but never found a great load like that one that I like.

MikeS.
December 18, 2009, 09:29 PM
BE is great in a wide variety of handgun calibers. I use it in light to moderate loads in .380, 9mm, .45acp, .357 & .44mag. I recently started loading 10mm. I have a couple loads to try in that.

In .357 I use anywhere between 4.0 and 8.0 grains. In .380acp I use 2.8 grns.

No, it's not really good for a true magnum load but it is a good in a wide range of calibers.

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