U.S. Army Rangers > Why the FN SCAR?


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Hold My Own
December 9, 2009, 10:22 PM
By now, it's not really news anymore that the U.S. Army Rangers now use the FN SCAR.

What I don't know however, is why? I think I seem to recall the Army saying they just wanted something new, but is there any other reason behind this?

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Country_boy_88
December 9, 2009, 11:18 PM
because it won the US SOCOM competition started in 2003.

Its multiple variations and chambering operations will lead the way into a truely multifunction assault rifle:D

strambo
December 10, 2009, 01:05 AM
I guess because they are the lowest tier SOCOM unit and have the budget to afford them.

C-grunt
December 10, 2009, 01:11 AM
Wow, I didnt know a mainstream unit was using them now. Ill have to ask my old Army buddy, he's now a Green Beret what he is using.

Hold My Own
December 10, 2009, 02:48 AM
Thanks you guys. I didn't realize the FN SCAR was so versatile. There's even one chambered for the 7.62x39 :eek:

I seem to recall the M4, the HK XM8, and the HK 416 all being in competition but not the SCAR. Are there any REAL advantages that the SCAR has over the M4? I can't seem to find any.

During the test, the SCAR suffered 226 stoppages ranking second to the XM8 with 127 stoppages, but less compared to the M4 with 882 stoppages and the HK 416 with 233. This test was based on two previous systems assessments that were conducted using the M4 Carbine and M16 rifle at Aberdeen in 2006 and the summer of 2007 before the third limited competition in the fall of 2007.

The 2006 test focused only on the M4 and M16. The Summer 2007 test had only the M4, but increased lubrication. Results from the second test resulted in a total of 307 stoppages for the M4 after lubrication was increased, but did not explain why the M4 suffered 882 stoppages with that same level of lubrication in the third test.

I wonder if they're changing from the M14/M24's to the SCAR chambered in .308...? :confused:

C-Grunt, here's a picture of the Army with the SCAR.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/35/1stbat75thregSCAR.jpg

Elm Creek Smith
December 10, 2009, 04:07 AM
HMO-

The guy in the foreground has a broke one! (The folding stock makes that thing lots shorter than an M4.)

ECS

Al Thompson
December 10, 2009, 07:57 AM
HMO, I have read elsewhere that the 7.62 version is under evaluation for just that purpose - replacing the M14.

zhyla
December 10, 2009, 02:44 PM
Why the FN SCAR?

Because it looks FN cool, you got an FN problem with that?

:)

KBintheSLC
December 10, 2009, 02:49 PM
I can't blame them for wanting a piston-driven gun.

yongxingfreesty
December 10, 2009, 03:15 PM
does someone have a pic of SBR form?

Coronach
December 10, 2009, 03:18 PM
The SCAR has numerous on-paper advantages over the M4. Whether or not it is worth the $$$ to upgrade is another question. It can fold its stock, it is piston-driven, it is rapidly reconfigurable, it is multicaliber and it SHOULD be more reliable and durable.

We'll see.

Mike

david_the_greek
December 10, 2009, 04:54 PM
held one the other day in a local shop and it sure was cool... not for the 3000-4000 they wanted for it though :-( WAAAAYYYY too many other toys I could buy for that money. I've heard criticisms of the stocks failing, anyone else hear of this?

taliv
December 10, 2009, 05:00 PM
i haven't heard they're failing, but i think the USMC is getting a fixed-stock version. anybody who's ever spent time around riflemen could have seen that coming

Suwannee Tim
December 10, 2009, 05:19 PM
One advantage of the SCAR is the operating handle is on the left front and can be actuated with the left hand without taking the rifle off the shoulder, the eyes off the sights or the right hand off the pistol grip and trigger. Same thing for a leftie when the gun is in a left hand config. This is something the snake eaters really like, or so I read. This gun has, in so far as possible the best of everything with no serious flaws. No buffer in the butt stock so the entire stock can fold. No hot, dirty gas piped into the action. Ergonomic, modular, ambidextrous, adaptable in the field, accurate, durable, reliable and easily mass produced. Other than that, it's junk.:D I'm going to get one or two when the price moderates a bit. I'm used to paying too much for plastic FN guns so it will be ok.:D

Coronach
December 10, 2009, 05:55 PM
Why does the Marine Corps want the fixed stock?

taliv
December 10, 2009, 08:55 PM
the marines have a saying that is somewhat dated now, but still appropriate... "200 years of tradition unhampered by progress"


btw, i've had the opportunity to shoot two of them now, and i like them a lot. 20 years from now, when the prices come down and when parts are as easy to find as they are for ARs, I might even like them better than an AR

Juice Boxes
December 10, 2009, 09:07 PM
I wonder how the ACR compares to the scar. Anything I've seen from magpul seems engineered to the T

Big Bill
December 10, 2009, 09:37 PM
Here's a picture...

http://www.defesanet.com.br/imagens/weapons/fn-scar.jpg

Here's a video...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stea1ry36NM

Quiet
December 10, 2009, 10:01 PM
US Army Rangers are under the command of US SOCOM.

US SOCOM adopted the FN SCAR to replace the M16/M4 system.

The FN SCAR-L is designated as the Mk 16 Mod 0 and the FN SCAR-H is designated as the Mk 17 Mod 0.

kwelz
December 10, 2009, 11:47 PM
I really want one but can't swing the 3K for one right now.

cz85cmbt
December 11, 2009, 02:12 AM
I'm surprised this happened but I think it only extends to the rangers, the marines just decided to go with the knights armament ar10 .308 as far as I know, slowly phasing the m14 out of service, and someone just ordered a huge amount of ar's, it was in one of the rifleman mags recently. But if you want to know why the FN won? Winning these things rarely has to do with merit. I think FN coughs up a lot of crap designs mainly the FN2000 assualt rifle of the future, the p90, and anything revolving around that ridiculous 5.7 round. But the military is getting a lot of stuff from them right now so I think they are prefering to go with a known manufacturing that they have a relationship with. It seems like a good design but I recall when I was interested in seeing what the military might go with next, the magpul masada seemed a bit better.

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