Advertising moles among us?


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Impureclient
December 10, 2009, 04:17 PM
Are there sneak advertisers in here? I saw a post about what low cost 1911 to get and some fella started in about Glocks.
I got curious and decided to do some background checking and come to find out at least 80-90% of his posts are ranting on about how great Glocks are and better than _______. Almost 200 posts in 10 days!!
I imagine there are a lot of gun newbies that are starving for info and if somebody is shoving a certain manufacturer down their throat, it might take after a while.
Did I just look too far into this or is this just common in here and ignored?

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belus
December 10, 2009, 04:18 PM
I've started suspecting the same.

TexasRifleman
December 10, 2009, 04:19 PM
I've always assumed it's just rabid fanboys, but I guess it's possible.

ChaoSS
December 10, 2009, 04:19 PM
Every forum will have it's share of trolls....

SomeDude
December 10, 2009, 04:26 PM
I'm sure advertisers do check this out, they always want to know what the "common man" wants. If there's a newbie looking for info I think the regular members will take care of shoving the Glock down their throats, they don't need a factory rep for that.

Dannix
December 10, 2009, 04:27 PM
I would say a troll/ad is only a problem for an impressionable newbie. It's stinks out loud to most everyone else I would imagine.

I did just buy a Kholster though, prompted from a thread about them. If it was started and fuled by Kholster affiliates, I took the bait. Looking forward to using it as a template before plunking down money on any future custom orders.

nalioth
December 10, 2009, 04:29 PM
Every forum will have it's share of trolls.... They're not talking about trolls.

They're talking about the phenomenon of a thread containing a topic and a vendor hopping in (sometimes early in the thread) with "We sell that", and non-vendors (at least not vendors-by-business-name) jumping in with "well, so-n-so-gunssuarus has those for XX dollars. So-n-so-gunsaurus is the best people ever" . .

Personally, I suspect some vendors have a program monitoring THR so they can be alerted when certain terms come up in threads.

jimmyraythomason
December 10, 2009, 04:30 PM
Could be advertisers but don't underestimate the dedication of fanboys.

ChaoSS
December 10, 2009, 04:42 PM
They're not talking about trolls.

They're talking about the phenomenon of a thread containing a topic and a vendor hopping in (sometimes early in the thread) with "We sell that", and non-vendors (at least not vendors-by-business-name) jumping in with "well, so-n-so-gunssuarus has those for XX dollars. So-n-so-gunsaurus is the best people ever" . .

Personally, I suspect some vendors have a program monitoring THR so they can be alerted when certain terms come up in threads.Seems to me he's talking about people who work for certain companies and aren't up front about it. That, to me, is a troll.

Aran
December 10, 2009, 04:42 PM
Hey guys have you heard about the new Glock coming out in the near future? Keep an eye on Glock.com for updates, I know I will be!

Dannix
December 10, 2009, 04:51 PM
I've tried other brands. Glocks are the best.
[/blackandwhiteTVadmode]

Gryffydd
December 10, 2009, 04:52 PM
Seems to me he's talking about people who work for certain companies and aren't up front about it. That, to me, is a troll.
The generally accepted definition of that is astroturfing. Trolling is something else entirely.

I think this guy is doing both at the same time though :D
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?p=6091238#post6091238
http://www.thehighroad.org/showpost.php?p=6097110&postcount=8
http://www.thehighroad.org/showpost.php?p=6091309&postcount=75

PhysicsGuy
December 10, 2009, 04:54 PM
Hey guys have you heard about the new Glock coming out in the near future? Keep an eye on Glock.com for updates, I know I will be!

:scrutiny:

LOL

rcmodel
December 10, 2009, 04:58 PM
I now my antivirus software warns me about cookies being set from some otherwise uneventful posts. Sometimes from a SIG link or picture they posted.

rc

kanook
December 10, 2009, 05:23 PM
Since the OP brought it up, Have you seen the new attachments for the :)

Schofield3
December 10, 2009, 05:29 PM
your ad here

MMCSRET
December 10, 2009, 05:32 PM
Too bad Jennings and Raven aren't still in production, they would give the big "G" a run for the money!!!!!!!!! HHHHHAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!

armoredman
December 10, 2009, 05:46 PM
I do ads for some companies, but don't work for them, same as Oleg does ads for some companies without being an employee, like his nice recent work with the new KelTek 22 mag pistol.
I am quite partial to firearms made in the Czech Republic, (most specifically but not limited to those imported by CZ-USA), and I co-own czforum.com, so as much as anyone who owns GlockTalk or AR15.com would be, I guess that means I am a rabid fan boy, (haven't been young enough to call a boy for many years...), but I have a lot of fun with the camera making ads like this one.

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b13/armoredman/upgrade4.jpg

And not quite ads,

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b13/armoredman/toomuchclass.jpg

and political posters.

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b13/armoredman/mrjones.jpg

I don't get paid for any of this or running CZF, in fact, I am doing a big Christmas giveaway on my forum, and some of the stuff I paid for myself. So I don't THINK I quite meet your description, just a guy who according to some needs a rabies shot or three.

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b13/armoredman/supporttheresearch.jpg

Tully M. Pick
December 10, 2009, 05:46 PM
What gets me are the threads extolling the virtues of Product X, where all the posters have new accounts and 3 or 4 posts.

hso
December 10, 2009, 05:57 PM
I assumed fanboys and cyber pimps were just a question of whether the loosers got paid for being annoying or not.

bigalexe
December 10, 2009, 06:01 PM
IMO this type of user is worse than a vendor, well I guess they are being up front about their purpose though.

http://www.thehighroad.org/member.php?u=12665

sfc_mark
December 10, 2009, 07:44 PM
I read a thread the other day where somebody posted YouTube video with words to the effect of "has anyone ever seen one of these, what do you think?"

Lo and behold, at post #7:

"I am the inventor of this idea, and would like to explain its advantages...

It was his (the inventor's) first post...he miraculously joined the forum, found the reference to his product and replied within three hours of the original post. Remarkable timing indeed. [/sarcasm]

FarmGirl
December 10, 2009, 08:02 PM
It was his (the inventor's) first post...he miraculously joined the forum, found the reference to his product and replied within three hours of the original post. Remarkable timing indeed. [/sarcasm]

Actually it's not that surprising. There are dozens of programs out there that keep track of how many hits your page gets, where they came from, what link they clicked if any when they left.

I like to peruse the page on the one I use to see where people are coming to my blog from, and it will show me info on anyone who has been active within my blog in the last fifteen minutes.

ChaoSS
December 10, 2009, 08:12 PM
It was his (the inventor's) first post...he miraculously joined the forum, found the reference to his product and replied within three hours of the original post. Remarkable timing indeed. [/sarcasm]Could be what the above poster said, or it could be that someone he knows referred him to this site because of the discussion, and that's why he joined. It's not a coincidence.

NMGonzo
December 10, 2009, 08:13 PM
The generally accepted definition of that is astroturfing. Trolling is something else entirely.

http://www.thehighroad.org/showpost.php?p=6097110&postcount=8
http://www.thehighroad.org/showpost.php?p=6091309&postcount=75


I have a picture of the offender

http://thepriorart.files.wordpress.com/2009/08/dont_worry_sir_i_m_from_the_internet.jpg

Johnnyz53
December 10, 2009, 08:30 PM
Hmmn So let's see. I own a company, am an avid reloader, I belong to the NRA, I sometimes ask for opinions on my reload benches....am I a pseudo advertiser? I hope not but have been accused most recently. So I am thinking. . . How does one get great feedback from experts?, , , go to the source I say. Thanks to all here that have helped me.

BG&K
December 10, 2009, 08:45 PM
we sell those! LOL I'm guilty of advertising. :o

Gryffydd
December 10, 2009, 08:45 PM
I think the biggest difference is that some people want to be a genuine member of the community. Others just want to make a quick buck off of it. When a vendor actually engages the community for feedback and passes on information about their products that's relevant and is completely up front and open about it, I don't have a problem with it. Look at Brad from Missouri Bullet Company. Then sometimes people post links to their blogs where they have 2 or 3 articles pulled from other sites, and little blurbs pretending to not be extolling the virtues of their own products. Then when called on it, they delete all the contents from their blog and delete the link to their blog from their forum signature :D

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=489352

hso
December 11, 2009, 12:51 AM
Gryffydd hit the bullseye. Being a contributing member of the community and honestly getting people's input is entirely different from someone only looking for the community to contribute to them.

hammerklavier
December 11, 2009, 01:05 AM
I was beginning to feel that way with all the posts about Mosin Nagants and SKS rifles. :)

Aran
December 11, 2009, 01:20 AM
Mosins > *

Dannix
December 11, 2009, 03:22 AM
Then sometimes people post links to their blogs where they have 2 or 3 articles pulled from other sites, and little blurbs pretending to not be extolling the virtues of their own products. Then when called on it, they delete all the contents from their blog and delete the link to their blog from their forum signature :D

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=489352
Wow this is epic. Perhaps they should just put in the sig "we think you all are just a bunch of idiots waiting to be ripped off" :rolleyes:

What's really funny was how this tech site handled an article rip and and pic link a while back (scroll down for the pics!). http://techreport.com/discussions.x/17915 :D

mcdonl
December 11, 2009, 12:18 PM
Dirty cheaters. I would never mention my wife is a screen printer and often does 2nd Amendment shirts :)

Dr.Mall Ninja
December 11, 2009, 01:53 PM
If I were you guys I would defiently get a glock.

mcdonl
December 11, 2009, 01:54 PM
Or a Glock shirt :)

Hawk
December 11, 2009, 04:20 PM
Personally, I seriously doubt there are advertising moles here in any number. The relatively rare ones posting on their own product cannot be accurately called "moles" - they're pretty much open about it. Anyone posting positive reviews about Bubba's Ultra Bullets with a user name of Bubba's Bullets is not a mole.

Fanboys, on the other hand, are a routine scourge of internet firearms forums. I believe they can be distinguished from advertising moles in several ways:

You just can't buy the sort of evangelical fervor that fanboys exhibit. Advertising is just a job. Fanboyism is a pathology brought on by having one's ego alloyed with one's choice of firearm to such an extent the two cannot be separated. If one disagrees with an advertising mole he moves on to the next target and makes efficient use of his time. Disagree with a fanboy and you'll generally get a debate. Advertisers don't typically engage in debate and generally don't make a practice of denigrating their target's intelligence.

Does anybody really care what sidearm was chosen by the Fiji Tactical Response Unit? An advertiser wouldn't think to offer the factoid but a fanboy will present it without obvious embarrassment.

Advertisers (not to include drive-bys) are acutely aware of annoyance factors in their message and do what they can to reduce its impact. Fanboys are utterly and blissfully unaware (or more likely don't care) that their practice of irritating others may actually impact sales negatively. Anyone viewing a firearm as a tool might be justifiably creeped out by the uncritical love affair with an inanimate object being displayed on an open forum.

CWL
December 11, 2009, 04:58 PM
I think that a mole for Glock would be wasting his time here. Enough people, LE Agencies, nations on the bandwagon already. This forum is too widespread in membership to benefit local retail shops.

I think there are enough rabid fanboys doing the job well-enough already.

Impureclient
December 12, 2009, 02:17 AM
Yeah..after reading some of the posts from the Glock fanatic, I believe what Hawk said makes the most sense out of it. He was bashing Kahr left and right which is why it peaked my attention in the first place.
I was one of those impressionable newbs that obtained my info for my first gun purchase from the internet. My CW9 is all I own so when I see somebody trash talking Kahr, I perk up and see what is up.

Speaking of Kahr...They are the greatest manufacturer ever!! I would trade my unborn son for any Kahr firearm. Be sure to visit kahr.com to view some fantastic weapons...:rolleyes:

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