[Scott707]

I'am talking these new features on handguns that locks up the gun .
Personally i think a trigger lock should be enough . I don't like these new features what if it malfunctions and locks it up forever ? Not sure if it could
happen . But still think it's not a good feature .

[dmazur]

They keep trying to turn guns into paperweights so they'll be "safe"...

No locks on guns of any kind. None. Zero. Completely unnecessary.

If you want to keep them away from kids (and thieves), lock them up in a decent safe that's bolted down.

If you have one that you are carrying, the last thing you want is a lock to malfunction, even if it is supposedly unlocked.

[McCall911]

What do you think of these new key safety locks ?

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I despise it and refuse to buy a handgun with that feature.

[Full Metal Jacket]

never use the one's on the guns that i own that have them. doesn't matter to me either way.

[Snowdog]

I didn't know until I brought mine home that the Bersa UC9 Pro has one. It doesn't appear to be likely to engage by itself and after some Googlin', it doesn't seem it happens to any Bersa owners.
My Steyr M40 has something similar. I'm fairly certain I've lost the "keys" to both by now.

I'm indifferent towards them.
Some folks feel the gun and ammunition should be locked in different locations. I suppose it could serve as an option for these worrisom types, allowing them some peace of mind of having a *gasp* loaded firearm squirreled away.

Then again, they'd probably have the key locked up somewhere....

[bigfatdave]

Personally i think a trigger lock should be enough A trigger lock is overkill.
Think about the last time you cleaned your favorite gun ... remember taking it apart?
At what point was it disabled completely?
Now imagine taking those parts and storing them in two locked locations ... congratulations! You've rendered your firearm inpperable!

Internal locks and trigger locks are (in my opinion) a useless attempt to make guns "safe" even when loaded with the safety lever in "fire".
Would you drop an unloaded firearm with the internal lock activated into a playpen with a kid?
Would you drop an unloaded firearm with a trigger lock in a playpen with a kid?

Of course you wouldn't!

Now, not that it would be a good idea, but could a child find a slide/barrel from a pistol and be safe? And could a child find a frame from a pistol and be safe? How about a revolver frame without the cylinder? Or just a cylinder?

By their complex nature, guns are easily disabled without adding useless devices.

[earlthegoat2]

Im against them in principle (Clinton and Wesson) and in practice. Even though the failure rates of the S&W locks are minute they are there. Failures of locks dont occur in lock free guns.

It an unnesessary feature that just adds parts and complexity to the firearm making them more dangerous to the person owning it.

[Thaddeus Jones]

I'm against them as well. A poor solution in search of a problem. S&W changed the frames to accomodate these idiotic devices, and made their revolvers ugly as well as unreliable.

It is foolish to use a gun so equipped for any serious purpose, IMO.

I see people on the internet advocate them over and over. Reading anyone advocating the use of these guns for self defense, I can't help but wonder if their momma knows they are on the internet and playing with guns.

I've yet to meet anyone locally or at regional matches who carries one. Several purchased one or two so equipped, but have neutered them, and compete with them.

It is no longer an issue for me, as I'm fortunate to be able to purchase superior pre lock revolvers with forged parts, for less than the asking price of the key lock guns. YMMV. TJ

[Bailey Boat]

Perfect solution just looking for a problem.... Reverse engineering?????

[EddieNFL]

If anyone needs them I have a bunch of trigger locks...somewhere. Seems every firearm I've bought in the past ten years comes with one.

[bigfatdave]

I did end up using a cable lock to disable my Henry lever gun, I wasn't up to taking it apart before going out of town.

But the general practice when kids will be in my home or I'll be out of town is to remove critical components and store them elsewhere, with frames and rifle bolts and the like in the safe.
I don't see how a trigger lock would make my firearms less functional than removing the barrel.

[S&Wfan]

Internal locks with little keys have NO PLACE at all . . . on guns OR parachutes!

T.

[BADSBSNF81]

A solution looking for a problem

[Brian Dale]

Would you put a lock on a fire extinguisher? No, I didn't think so. (http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=259211)

[John Wayne]

Internal key locks are generally poorly designed, and are made of cheap parts. They can interfere with the functioning of a firearm, even when not activated by the user.

I do not like trigger locks, in fact I think they're stupid. If you need to lock a gun the safest method is a cable lock through the action.

Internal lock = questionable strength, hard to tell if it's locked, most models allow action to be closed and possibly loaded.

Trigger lock= clumsy, can scratch trigger guard or surrounding area, very easy to improperly apply. Again allows for gun to be stored loaded and presumed safe (mistakenly).

Cable lock = Action open, gun clear, visibly locked. Simple to use, no rounds present and no loaded magazine can be insterted, mechanism won't cycle and trigger also deactivated. Can even be run through the barrel of some guns.

Cable locks are by far the best way to go.

[Avenger29]

Internal gun locks are pure idiocy.

[Patriotme]

I don't like them and will never use that lock. The gun goes in a safe if it needs to be locked up.

[Patriotme]

Let's be honest about why these locks are on so many new handguns. The manufactures are trying to protect themselves from lawsuits. I don't blame them but I won't recommend ever using that feature. The only reason I can see for that lock is to keep your gun from functioning if found by a child. A safe is a better solution and if something needs a key then the child most likely knows where it's hidden.

[Sport45]

What do you think of these new key safety locks ?

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I'am talking these new features on handguns that locks up the gun .

Where have you been? Key locks on handguns are hardly new.
(And neither is the debate about their appropriateness.)

[doubleh]

Personally I think they are totally unnecessary but I understand the manufacture's viewpoint too. I have a few handguns that have internal locks. I locked the first one I ever bought just to see if it worked and it did. I unlocked it and that is where it has remained. I haven't even tried the others as I purchased them. I've never had a problem with one failing and disabling the gun, don't know anyone who has had it happen, and have never heard any stories of it happening. Any mechanical devise can fail. I'm just wondering how often it happens in the real world. If I had a concern with them I would just remove them if at all possible.

[MrCleanOK]

If you really need to render a gun inoperative that bad, just take something out of it.

My P22 has a lock and I tried it out for giggles when I first got the gun. Pulling the trigger with lock engaged makes the lock almost impossible to disengage. If I hadn't thought there was a chance I'd sell it in the future, I'd have thrown the key away right then and there after I got it unlocked.

[MICHAEL T]

No Locks I have one pistol with a lock I made sure was in off position and lost the key If I need a gun a locked gun is the last thing I want. I believe the court ruled the locking of a firearm in Washington DC used for Home Defense was not legal in the Supreme Court case I remember was something about locked firearms

[rockdoc806]

I do not use any locking devise. I see the purpose (CYA for the manufactures). My pistols are locked in a safe that is bolted to the wall.

[Drail]

The best way to render a weapon safe is to simply unload it.

[weisse52]

What do you think of these new key safety locks ?

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I despise it and refuse to buy a handgun with that feature.

+1 I will not

[warnerwh]

If you can't handle a gun safely then a lock wouldn't be much help. Under no circumstances would I buy a gun with a lock. I was surprised the gun manufacturers started doing it.

[03Shadowbob]

I won't buy a handgun with a lock either. Makes zero sense to me but am sure it helps some idio..err people, feel all warm and fuzzy inside.

[WhoKnowsWho]

"Next Generation Lock ready to be released"

FYS (For Your Safety) industries has created the next generation in gun locking mechanisms with their recent device. It is a Wi-Fi and Cell Network capable trigger locking mechanism that can be fitted onto any trigger system on any gun.

When a user wants to use the trigger system on the gun, they must send an email, phone text message, and make a voice call, all within a 30 second span of time. Once this has successfully been completed (FYS is not responsible for network issues) a remote signal will be sent to the lock and allow the trigger to be used for 2 minutes, after 2 minutes have passed, the lock will activate again. If the trigger has not been used within 5 seconds of receiving an activation code, it will lock again as well.

Says the CEO of FYS, "We wanted to make sure everyone could have access to their guns when they want it and not jump through any hoops to use them at any time. Plus we added the ability of GPS tracking to the lock module itself so you will always know where your gun is."

FYS also will keep the serial and GPS information accessible to parties who need the information for the person's safety.

[Brian Dale]

WhoKnowsWho, that concept gives a deep and disturbing meaning to the term, "Blue Screen of Death."

[McCall911]

"Next Generation Lock ready to be released"

:D

Thanks for the much-needed laugh, Who.

[Nicodemus38]

people here complain about safety issues related to failure of internal locks meantto disable the trigger or firing pin of a weapon that are activated by a tiny little key.

why isnt anyone else here opposed to magazine disconnects? those are useful in SOME situations,but overall they are not the greatest thing in the world when you have to do a screwball reload and load single rounds without a magazine in the gun.

[Brian Dale]

why isnt anyone else here opposed to magazine disconnects?Incorrect assumption. Lots of THR members have posted over the years that they don't like them and won't carry guns that have them.

[Gungnir]

Must admit that I wouldn't own a gun with an integral lock.

Of course I'm in a relatively unique situation out in the Alaskan Bush, with my nearest neighbor being 2.5 miles away, and I have no kids. So my SD pistol is chambered all the time, and loaded all the time and unlocked. Two of my rifles are the same, and so's my Shotty.

If I need them I don't want to figure out where my ammo is, where my keys are, etc. Now my chance of a human predator are lower than in most cities, but my chance of a grizzly deciding it wants to join me in bed are considerably higher (although not really at this time of year).

Surprisingly since I keep my firearms in this state, none have jumped up and gone on a killing spree, nor have they decided they wanted to spontaneously discharge.

The biggest thing is keeping the booger hook off the bang button, everything else is just a crutch.

[Pyzon]

If you can't keep guns out of the hands of kids or idiots, unload them and lock them up in a gun safe. Invest in better home security and lighting and hopefully you will never need a gun in a hurry.

[Nicodemus38]

the locks do present some issues, however if you spend thetime with google patents you can find the original patents from taurus and smith and wesson for their revolvers. explains complete function of the devices through word and PICTURE. so thats a nice thingto have if you dont like these devices.

although i doubt you could send a modified one in and NOT have the factory charge you a few hundred to replace the safety system.

[bigfatdave]

I should have patented my whole "remove the slide" system and made millions off of these ignorant rubes!