Does anyone actually LIKE the 'standard' grip put on ARs, etc.?


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Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow
December 11, 2009, 03:31 PM
Why do they put these hard plastic, un-ergo, no-grippin' POSs on ARs, XCRs, SCARs, etc.? I've already got a small pile of them, and I'm sure I'm not the only one. What's with that stupid nub that's too low to fit between the 2nd and 3rd fingers, but too high to fit between the 3rd and 4th fingers? Why are we wasting all this plastic - just contract with ERGO to put them on every rifle straight from the factory. Is there even one person in the world who wouldn't rather have the ERGO brand grip (or similar) instead of the 'standard' style? Bah.

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R.W.Dale
December 11, 2009, 04:01 PM
Do what?


There's exactly 3 grips I like in this order

the A1 style

The Hogue with fingergrooves

and the A2 style

Both of which incidentally are about as cheap as they come. I particularly dislike modular grips,, to me they feel like a wad of lego's in my hand with all the different parts

taliv
December 11, 2009, 04:14 PM
i like it. my favorite AR, bar none, currently has a standard grip on it and i've no plans to change it

PT1911
December 11, 2009, 04:15 PM
dont mind them a bit.

LegalAlien
December 11, 2009, 04:15 PM
I have one AR-15 and the very first item I replaced was the std grip with an ergo Grip.

I totally agree with you, the std A1/A2 (whatever the difference between the 2 are), is the most un-ergonomical and uncomfortable grip I have ever encountered on a firearm!!! Useless piece of $5 plastic.

highorder
December 11, 2009, 04:16 PM
I like the extra meat in the web area that I get from my MOE (or ergo, etc.)

My hand sits too high with the standard grip.

ArmedBear
December 11, 2009, 04:18 PM
The nub is perfect for jamming between your third and fourth fingers to get a good grip. That helps seat the buttstock against my shoulder.

I like the Ergo and similar grips. But I have standard A2s and they work fine for me. It's not a pistol, and a length of broomstick wrapped in duct tape would probably work in a pinch...:)

As a shotgun type, I notice fit, quality of cheek weld, LOP, etc. right away, and the pistol grip is an afterthought.

The regular A2 setup works well for me. I have an old A1 stock I picked up; haven't tried it yet. I don't much care for the M4 stock, but I have one on a lower. Like a bayonet lug, it's the principle of the thing: I got a collapsible stock. (Actually I got a bayonet, too, so I guess the bayonet lug serves a purpose.:D)

Z-Michigan
December 11, 2009, 04:19 PM
I don't like them much. FWIW I don't like the MOE any better. I can tolerate them though.

All of my ARs have either Hogue or Ergo grips. I've come around to liking Hogue the best, but Ergo makes a nice grip also. And the ATI grip is pretty good too.

franconialocal
December 11, 2009, 04:32 PM
Meant to fit the most people.....most of the time (large hands, small hands, finger length, etc.), thus the "mass production" aspect of them.

Me personally?...I changed mine to a Magpul MIAD grip. It's much better.

Quentin
December 11, 2009, 04:41 PM
The A2 grip works fine, no need at least for me to replace it.

Nicky Santoro
December 11, 2009, 04:48 PM
My preference is the A1.

C-grunt
December 11, 2009, 05:06 PM
A buddy gave me an Ergo grip. I ended up switching back to the A2 style. I think I might like the Battle Grip from Tango Down, I might try it one day.

ricebasher302
December 11, 2009, 05:08 PM
I'm with the OP. I couldn't stand the stock grip on my AR. I put a Hogue on it to avoid the "nub" (which is useless and irritating to me) but the grip was still too small, so now I have an Ergo grip which is nice, slightly larger, but not perfect. For me all of the grips I've tried have to much angle on them. I'd like a grip that was thicker for my larger hands and more vertical which would make my wrist more comfortable in most shooting positions.

That's about all I can complain about one of my favorite guns. I should be happy I even own one this day and age!

madcratebuilder
December 11, 2009, 05:14 PM
I prefer the 1911 grips on my AR.
http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d37/madcratebuilder/AR001-1.jpg

ricebasher302
December 11, 2009, 05:19 PM
Now that's a cool grip, Madcratebuilder. What's the story there? Custom job?

XCRmonger
December 11, 2009, 05:20 PM
It's never bothered me outright, but I do prefer the Ergo or MIAD grips over the A2.

offthepaper
December 11, 2009, 06:22 PM
Madcratebuilder

Now thats sweet.
I have to know how you did that.

nwilliams
December 11, 2009, 06:37 PM
For those wondering about 1911 AR grips...http://www.pearcegrip.com/ar15.htm

I'm not a fan of the standard AR grip, I really like the Magpul MIAD replacement. I just finished adding one to my Stag AR last week.....
http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb264/nwilliams27/Stag1.jpg

Avenger29
December 11, 2009, 07:14 PM
Hate the A2 grip, mainly because of the finger shelf...

Currently rocking a MOE grip because it was $20. Have tried the Ergo grip, and while I like the shape and comfort, the tackiness of it just felt too much. I prefer a grip without the tackiness and just a bit to squeeze.

The 1911 grip adapter is interesting, I'll say.

cjl8651
December 11, 2009, 07:17 PM
Feels fine to me.

essayons21
December 11, 2009, 07:38 PM
Meant to fit the most people.....most of the time (large hands, small hands, finger length, etc.), thus the "mass production" aspect of them.

I disagree... I think they were built so the smaller end of the hand-size bell curve could control the weapon. In my experience they are a bit small for most male hands.

Personally, I hate them, but I have weird hands. Short stubby fingers and big palms. I prefer Ergo grips. On my military issue M4, I wrapped the standard handle a bunch of times with that self-adhesive non-stick camoflauge grip tape. It was the best grip by far, as I could wrap the tape to fit my hand. Only reason I don't have it on my personal AR is because it looks like crap and gets dirty too quickly.

Found a picture. Looks like crap, but works.

http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q177/collingscb/n25521262_34227587_5737.jpg

Gunfighter123
December 11, 2009, 08:34 PM
I'm also in the " it works fine for me " camp ---- been useing the A2 for many years and have no problems with it.

cbrgator
December 11, 2009, 08:39 PM
Hogue for me. No question.

SSN Vet
December 11, 2009, 09:52 PM
My co-worker is a USMC reservist who is a marksmanship coach.

He was taught and uses a really weird grip wher he has three fingers wedged inbetween the bump and the trigger guard...

he tried to explain the advantage and reasoning to me....

Needless to say, I didn't get it....

Not very comfy...

I don't really have a problem with the std. grip.

Not the greatest... but it gets the job done and fits my hand reasonably well

matrem
December 11, 2009, 09:52 PM
Have a "small pile" of them I'd trade for one Ergo,Hogue or MIAD.

HuntAndFish
December 11, 2009, 10:06 PM
Another "works for me" vote.

Boba Fett
December 11, 2009, 10:16 PM
No idea...the "standard" grips that came on my RRA Entry Tactical were Hogue grips. I like them quite a bit.

Dookie
December 11, 2009, 10:41 PM
I don't like them, but I have huge bearpaw hands. I only wish I could find a grip that moved my hand back 1/2 inch so I am not pulling the trigger with my first knuckle.

I have an Ergo now That I like, got in nearly free as a toss in item from brownells to make the 15% off of $150 or more coupon I had. I like it more than the hogue.

MetalHead
December 11, 2009, 10:44 PM
I get along fine with the old A1 grips, fact the rifle with green furniture I removed the bump of a A2 so it all matched, the A2 bump is in the wrong place for me, I've got smaller hands and while a larger grip might improve my triger pulling the other controls will be out of reach. Have modded a few A1s for better fit by removing some preasure points and I really like having that gap just behind the triggerguard filled. BTW the CavArms lower grip size is as large as I want to deal with, wish it was a little smaller but mostly less reach to the trigger.

Avenger29
December 11, 2009, 10:53 PM
I don't like them, but I have huge bearpaw hands. I only wish I could find a grip that moved my hand back 1/2 inch so I am not pulling the trigger with my first knuckle.

Take a look at the Stark grip. Hard to tell from the photos, but it might be more of what you are looking for.

http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/Stark-SE-1-Pistol-Grip-Black-AA-p/stark%20se1-ar-blk-aa.htm

W.E.G.
December 11, 2009, 11:19 PM
I've been shooting the "standard" grip so long, its ingrained in me.

Nothing against the other choices, but I have no interest in changing now.

MrCleanOK
December 11, 2009, 11:32 PM
I have big hands. The standard grips are made for small hands. We don't get along.

DougW
December 12, 2009, 11:24 AM
Standard grip on the semi-retro A2, the other 3 AR's have Ergo's. I don't like the standard grip for my hands. Too small and it makes my grip too low for my taste.

delgue
December 12, 2009, 11:56 AM
Howdy, I purchased 2 ergo grips for my Bushmaster and DPMS. I replaced the one on my Bushmaster but when I started on the DPMS I saw the 2 springs for the safety attached to the factory grip and stopped. Am I right in assuming that the Ergo won't work on the DPMS? Thanks in advance for any help.

ricebasher302
December 12, 2009, 02:14 PM
I've got an Ergo on my DPMS. Not sure. Mine only has one spring, though. I'm not sure what you're seeing.

kwelz
December 12, 2009, 02:53 PM
Not a fan of the A2 style, the finger groove annoys me. But I can use one just fine. I prefer either the Ergo, Tango down, or the MIAD. All my guns have MIAD in fact for the flexibility.

rskent
December 12, 2009, 03:54 PM
I'm fine with an A2.
Steve

Mags
December 12, 2009, 03:57 PM
I dislike any grip with finger grooves or notches. I like the MOE over the MIAD because it has no finger grooves, bumps or notches. The MOE also has a good gripping surface.

rhinoh
December 12, 2009, 06:58 PM
I'm not even sure what came on my Bushmasters but I'm ok with them.

Broken11b
December 12, 2009, 07:23 PM
I actually prefer them, I was taught to put my ring finger on the groove, wrap my middle finger around the middle, and choke up on the grip. It allows for rapid manipulation of the safety.
Sounds weird, but after a while nothing else does it for me.

12131
December 12, 2009, 09:27 PM
Does anyone actually LIKE the 'standard' grip put on ARs, etc.?
Why do they put these hard plastic, un-ergo, no-grippin' POSs on ARs, XCRs, SCARs, etc.?
Why? Because they do their job just fine. I have the fancy ones, but I also have the "POS" ones on my ARs. As far as I'm concerned the grip is the least important/critical part of the AR. Wonder how the soldiers managed to get through battles, before all these fancy grips come along.

12131
December 12, 2009, 09:29 PM
And, I'm not sure what the OP meant by "no-grippin'". The "POS" grip actually has more traction than, say, the Ergo Suregrip (for me, anyway).

Detritus
December 12, 2009, 09:38 PM
Personally haven't liked any of the "aftermarket" grips i've encountered. guess I've grown to used the two issue grips over the years (for the record, prefer A1 to A2) and now the aftermarket grips all feel awkward. though I DO have to say that the Pearce 1911 adapter is intriguing(sp?), being a near diehard 1911 fan.

matrem
December 12, 2009, 10:09 PM
Why? Because they do their job just fine.
They certainly do, but I can't help but assume that the combination of a couple bucks each and knowing that those folks (most) that don't like them will pay the $20-40 to install what "feels good", is the real reason they are standard on most ARs.

ny32182
December 12, 2009, 10:21 PM
First thing I do on any new lower is drop the A2 for a large backstrap, flat frontstrap MIAD, and add a gapper and ambi selector.

Mags
December 12, 2009, 10:22 PM
Just so you know all the Air Force issued M4s have the Hogue attached. Also I have a real problem with my middle finger rubbing the underside of the trigger bar with the Hogue grips, just the way the finger grooves line me up.

Zach S
December 13, 2009, 08:39 AM
I hate the A2 grip, because of the bump. I sand them off so they feel like A1s.

I'd like a houge, if not for the finger grooves.

delgue
December 13, 2009, 04:37 PM
Thanks, I look again to make sure I'm correct in what I'm asking. At first look it looked like they were attached to the grip thats why I stopped. I didn't want to go somewhere without knowing for sure what I was doing. Thanks for the info, I will look again.

Walkalong
December 13, 2009, 04:41 PM
They work well, and fit/feel as good as many expensive ones out there, but I really like the Magpul MOE grip (http://www.magpul.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=78_125&products_id=286). It fits me just about perfectly. Not too sticky and not too slick either.

coyotewillie
December 13, 2009, 09:54 PM
I've got small hands, and altho they never really bothered me, I replaced both of mine with Hogues. Just like the beefier feel to them, feels like I have more control. I've also replaced my standard AK grips with SAW grips. LOTS of difference between those. Greg

Tirod
December 13, 2009, 11:19 PM
Obviously, the size of a shooters hands will have a lot to do with it.

When we changed from A1 to A2 I noticed it and didn't like it. It wasn't life threatening, just uncomfortable. Having shot the HK I knew there were better grips - you can always trust the Germans for that - but the HK grip was also a little big for me.

The M16 was originally set up for Americans of 1950's average stature. It was closer to the world's average, which is why they were well received by some of the first buyers in Asia.

Later the A2 added the fat grip and long stock to better fit the new supersized American soldier.

Another problem is that the safety isn't where it fits best ergonomically - so a backstrap that fills in the grip and gives a better "pistol" type trigger pull leaves it beyond the thumb for some shooters. The shooter has to decide whether "perfect" trigger placement or safety placement is priority. Contrast that with whether 2MOA mispec accuracy needs it, or use of safeties in a mass group of relatively inexperienced users is institutionally more important.

Use what fits. There is no "best" except what works for you.

SwampWolf
December 14, 2009, 04:17 PM
For those of us who compete in CMP matches, many of the military rifle events include the requirement, "The rifle must be in as-issued condition, with a standard stock..." You learn to get along with the "standard AR grip" and, after a while, you might even grow to like (or at least tolerate) them. :)

Creature
December 14, 2009, 05:00 PM
I prefer this grip. It is much 'quicker' for me.

http://i13.servimg.com/u/f13/12/63/91/01/img_1610.jpg

Big Russ
December 14, 2009, 06:16 PM
I'm used to the standard grip cause..well I was trained on it and don't know any better yet

Shawn Dodson
December 14, 2009, 06:21 PM
I don't have any problem with the USG grip. Suits me just fine.

Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow
December 14, 2009, 06:37 PM
'Course, I liked my Treo 650 and BB 8800 before I got my Iphone, too. Just sayin, folks. There's better out there. Once you get rid of the cruddy stuff, you won't know how you lived without the good stuff. :)

I submit that it's not good for ANY hands, large, medium, or small. I have medium, average hands, and that nub is too high to put two fingers above it, and too low to put just one finger above it. Well maybe it is good for very large hands.

Creature
December 14, 2009, 07:08 PM
There's better out there. Once you get rid of the cruddy stuff, you won't know how you lived without the good stuff

Amen.

22lr
December 14, 2009, 07:26 PM
I like the Magpul MOE, but the original A2 grip arnt all that bad either.

Shawn Dodson
December 14, 2009, 07:28 PM
Once you get rid of the cruddy stuff, you won't know how you lived without the good stuff. More money than I care to spend to outfit my "fleet." I'm good to go with what I have.

Cheers!

wishin
December 14, 2009, 08:51 PM
I'm fine with the standard grip 'til the 1911 one's available.:)

HorseSoldier
December 15, 2009, 01:05 AM
I actually prefer them, I was taught to put my ring finger on the groove, wrap my middle finger around the middle, and choke up on the grip. It allows for rapid manipulation of the safety.
Sounds weird, but after a while nothing else does it for me.

+1, that's how I was taught (well, re-trained, anyway) to run it also. Once you get used to it, it's a superior grip for running the gun fast at combat marksmanship sort of ranges/drills.

RockyMtnTactical
December 15, 2009, 04:52 AM
I love the Ergo Suregrip. My preferred grip. I don't care a whole lot for the A2 pistol grip.

http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u87/RMTactical/IMG_6232.jpg

steven04
December 15, 2009, 11:37 AM
I have 5 AR's of different flavours...4 of them wear either Magpul MIAD or MOE..

The fifth one has a std A2 grip purely because I haven't gotten around to swapping it out yet...:p

Dr.Rob
December 15, 2009, 02:27 PM
I'd like to get a Houge grip for mine. The grip feeels a tad odd to me, though I'm still "new" to AR's. I have Houge grips on my BHP clone and I like the 'tacky' feel of it.

VFSniper
December 15, 2009, 04:17 PM
I've got a Magpul MIAD on my MP15 and I love it. The standard grip is not bad the MIAD just feels better to me.

http://i486.photobucket.com/albums/rr227/vengefulsniper/IMG_0296.jpg

Victor1Echo
December 15, 2009, 09:17 PM
I like my cheap standard grip, but I have never used another. I read this thread, then fired my weapon. It seemed fine to me, but I have medium size hands.

Schuey2002
December 17, 2009, 07:14 PM
I hate the standard grip. It just doesn't feel right in my hands. Give me a Magpul MOE/MIAD anyday...

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