Benelli MR1


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Big Bill
December 11, 2009, 10:51 PM
Has anyone had any experienxe with the new Benelli MR1 (http://www.benelliusa.com/rifles/benelli_mr1_self_defense_rifle.php)? What do you think? How does it compair to a regular AR-15?

http://www.benelliusa.com/rifles/benelli_mr1_self_defense_rifle.php

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mete
December 12, 2009, 10:34 AM
Hadn't seen that one . The ARGO system certainly has been proven and it would give you a choice of something other that the AR-15 design.If it's as good as my Benelli shotgun it will be OK.

desidog
December 12, 2009, 11:15 AM
I read somewhere that the design started off with Beretta as the big brother to the CX4, but they stopped the R&D for some reason; i think importation to the US, the hyper-competitive EBR market/possibility of a ban; and Benelli bought/picked up the project and ran with it. I don't know, but i think they might both be owned by the same company in Italy. Someone step in and correct me if i'm wrong.

I think it looks nice, but would look even better with a CX4-esque ergonomic stock...i'm not a big fan of the benelli set-up, although it works fine.

Edit: I just looked on their site and the MSRP is 1299 - that's quite competitive. It would look really good in OD-green.

Mr.Davis
December 12, 2009, 11:20 AM
There have been a couple of posts here about it, but not many people seem to have shot one. I think one member put it most succinctly when they said something along the lines of this: "Pros: it's not an AR. Cons: it's not an AR."

frankiestoys
December 12, 2009, 11:40 AM
Big Bill
you beat me to it. I was wondering about this rifle too it looks pretty nice. I havent seen one in person yet, and im also considering an AR to. So your advise guys will help us both.

Shadow Man
December 12, 2009, 02:20 PM
I'll join in with the caveat that I have neither held one nor fired one, but this is what I gathered from Benelli's site:

Pros: Accepts GI 30rd magazines.
Uses proven ARGO system.
Picatinny rail over reciever makes optics addition easy.
Piston driven; will run cleaner and cooler around the BCG.

Cons: 16in barrel. (Full velocity in a 5.56x45mm round is achieved with a 20in)
Non-adjustable stock. (can be useful in close quarters)
Unrealistic 600m range with a 16in barrel. Even the 20inchers have a hard time reaching out that far.

So no, it isn't an AR, and doesn't have the AR look...but it provides the same capability. It looks like a nice alternative to the Mini: same relative size, same barrel length, same caliber, but uses the GI 30rd magazines. However...the price is hefty, at $1190 I believe.

Blakenzy
December 12, 2009, 02:37 PM
Why did they put a shotgun stock on a rifle?

Shadow Man
December 12, 2009, 02:38 PM
Dunno. Easier than developing a whole new stock maybe? Too bad they didn't throw in the ComforTech stock, to deal with that wicked 5.56 recoil :rolleyes:

Dirtpile
December 12, 2009, 02:45 PM
Stock looks like it has a lot of drop. Could be awkward for some people without optics, and maybe some others without optics.
Definitely one to test fit before buying.

Eightball
December 12, 2009, 03:15 PM
Messed with one in person, but didn't fire it. The ergonomics are actually terrible, the mag release system is awkward and not able to be reached from your firing hand, the bolt travel is really heavy and strange, and the bolt release is some fandangled thing on front of the trigger guard. The drop of the stock puts your head far below the sights for an average comfortable hold.

In short--I didn't like it.

Quiet
December 12, 2009, 11:16 PM
I read somewhere that the design started off with Beretta as the big brother to the CX4, but they stopped the R&D for some reason; i think importation to the US, the hyper-competitive EBR market/possibility of a ban; and Benelli bought/picked up the project and ran with it. I don't know, but i think they might both be owned by the same company in Italy. Someone step in and correct me if i'm wrong.

Beretta started devolping the rifle as the Rx4 Storm.
Beretta could not find any government/military/law enforcement agencies to be interested in it.
Beretta then gave it to Benelli to devolpe and bring to the civilian market.
Benelli finished devloping it and is marketing it as the MR1.

Beretta owns Benelli and Stoeger.
Beretta gives products they find to be still of value but not a big desire to it's underling companies.
For example...
Beretta giving the Cougar series to Stoeger, so that Beretta could promote the Px4 series.
Beretta giving the Rx4 platform to Benlli, so that Beretta could work more on the ARX160.

rizbunk77
December 13, 2009, 12:13 AM
what a piece of s-h-i-t.

Autopistola
December 13, 2009, 12:37 AM
I handled one and liked it... like the previous poster said it's like an alternative to the Mini, only with a $1199 price tag!:what:

The drop in the stock is somewhat unavoidable because the recoil spring is in there just like an auto shotgun. I thought the irons lined up perfect but a scope would require a chin-weld:uhoh:.

I'd like to know more about how well the ARGO system works in a rifle. It's quite a different concept really; instead of venting gas about 2/3 the length of the barrel it vents it about 1/3 or so and has a huge gas chamber for dwell time.

The aesthetics have grown on me; I really like the front half. The whole rifle has personality.

frankiestoys
December 13, 2009, 08:19 AM
rizbunk77
Have you any experience with this firearm or do you just not like it? If you do then tell us why? If not then please , Bill and I want some real facts, as the rifle seems interesting to me.
frankiestoys

rizbunk77
December 13, 2009, 11:10 AM
1. Ugly
2. Not Modular
3. Expensive and foreign made
4. Too much drop at comb.
5. A KelTec would kick its ass for a lot less money.

You don't have to hold a woman to know whether or not you want to marry her do you?

frankiestoys
December 13, 2009, 11:36 AM
1. Ugly
2. Not Modular
3. Expensive and foreign made
4. Too much drop at comb.
5. A KelTec would kick its ass for a lot less money.

You don't have to hold a woman to know whether or not you want to marry her do you?
Ugly, well that's your opinion
while not Modular mods can be added.
Expensive, well that depends on alot of factors, what one considers expesive (quality) foreign ,so many people love AK's
Too much drop,that to would depend on the individual shooter. (comfort level)
Keltec, well i wont pretend i know much about them unless i own or have owned one. SO I WON'T SAY!
As far as a woman :scrutiny: im gonna make sure she works for me. Besides
you can always sell the gun.
Thats all i have to say about that :D

O_Blade_O
January 19, 2010, 03:10 PM
Yes Benelli is owned by Beretta but that rifle is another kind of story.

If memory serves, it is somewhat a resurrection of the Beretta RX-4 Storm rifle, chambered in 5.56.
Such rifle would not sell a piece here in Italy, where instead the Benelli ARGO Hunting rifle (should be your Benelli's R1 rifle) is a BIG SELLER for high calibre hunters (30.06 and .308 as the most common).
The MR1 and the RX4 have the basic ARGO system well proven on the Argo hunting rifle, but it is something aimed to the U.S. market...

But in my personal opinion is way a difficult story there, because the AR platform is more, more established in the market and in the minds of US shooters.

GunTech
January 19, 2010, 03:19 PM
There's one at the local gunshop. It's been there a while. Ugly, weird feeling and expensive.

Proven ARGO system? Proven where? In the mud, rain, ice, sand?

I guess you'l like it if you like the M1 and R1. The pistol grip stock is basically the same as the M1, which I don't even like on a shotgun. I am curious to shoot one. Just not $1100 curious.

Shadow Man
January 19, 2010, 03:22 PM
Proven ARGO system? Proven where? In the mud, rain, ice, sand?

Yup, proven in all of those conditions, actually. The ARGO system is used in the Benelli M4 shotgun (M1014, in military configuration) and was adopted by the USMC as their combat shotgun. I don't think it gets much more proven than that.

gunnutery
February 6, 2010, 12:18 AM
I'm really liking this rifle, I do think it's modular to some degree, maybe not as much as an AR, but you can only hang so much stuff on a rifle anyway. If anyone has shot one yet let me know. I haven't been to any gun shows lately to even shoulder one yet. I am $1100 curious, I just have to find $1100.

geim druth
July 25, 2010, 02:26 PM
Anyone have something new to say on this rifle?

I saw the write up in this month's American Rifleman and liked the looks of the gun.

nwilliams
July 25, 2010, 05:17 PM
My local shop got one in and after holding it I decided I didn't like it. I didn't like the stock, the mag release and it's position, the lack of a flash hider, the position of the mag well, the weight and the price. On top of all else I think this gun is just hideous to look at! Seriously I thought it looked ugly in pictures but it's even uglier when you see it in person!

Granted I do think the Benelli R1 with wood furniture is a gorgeous rifle and would love to own one, but I think I'll pass on the MR-1.

cwbjaxfl
July 25, 2010, 06:05 PM
i like the fnar....i herd the r1 is not accurate at all.

blackops
July 25, 2010, 07:07 PM
Benelli needs to stick with shotguns. I'll just say that.

lebowski
July 25, 2010, 07:18 PM
I really can't think of any reason to own one over an M4.

earlthegoat2
July 25, 2010, 07:19 PM
I have no experience with it.

However it looks like it is going down the road as only a blip on the radar next to most less expensive ARs. It has questionable asthetics and I predict it will only attract the "Benelli crowd"

stiletto raggio
July 26, 2010, 07:46 PM
Yup, proven in all of those conditions, actually. The ARGO system is used in the Benelli M4 shotgun (M1014, in military configuration) and was adopted by the USMC as their combat shotgun. I don't think it gets much more proven than that.

While I am sure Benelli has done their homework, that really doesn't equal the fifty years of field and combat use that the M16 family has seen.

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