My newest toy: RC Mauser 98k


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MuzzleBlast
November 10, 2003, 01:07 PM
Got a Russian - captured Mauser 98k from AIM last week:
http://www.direclynx.net/~harrison/pictures/k98 wide 600.jpg
Someone tell me what I have:
http://www.direclynx.net/~harrison/pictures/receiver.jpg
~ $175 shipped. The wood needs a lot of work cleaning up. The metal is in pretty darn good shape, except that the extractor is plum-colored and doesn't match the rest of the rifle. All the original markings are present, including the swastikas in the proof marks, although those are a bit faint. For the price, I am not dissappointed. Ordered it last Monday, had it in hand the following Thursday. Same thing with the ammo, which I ordered from Empire Arms:
http://www.direclynx.net/~harrison/pictures/8mm boxes 400.jpg
http://www.direclynx.net/~harrison/pictures/headstamps 400.jpg
This ammo came in 15-round boxes, most on stripper clips while a few boxes contained loose rounds. If someone can decode some of the info on the boxes and headstamps I would appreciate it. I got this pre-war German ammo because I thought it fitting to use real German Wehrmacht ammo in a German Wehrmacht rifle, and because I didn't really expect to be shooting it all that much.
From what I had read here and in other forums, I was expecting this rifle to (a) kick like a sumbitch, (b) group a foot high, and (c) group maybe 3". I also expected to get a lot of misfires with 60 - plus year old ammo, most of which is a bit discolored. I decided to fire the first few rounds without any recoil pad, just to experience it the way the soldiers did. So I loaded up the first mag full, sat down on the bench with the rifle resting on my range bag, and concentrated hard on the front sight to keep from flinching. FrontsightFrontsightFrontsightBOOM!! Huh? Was that all?
Pleasant surprise #1: The recoil may be just a tad sharper than that from a Garand, but it really just isn't that bad. It was only after shooting 30 rounds or so that it really began to get uncomfortable. I'm a little sore today, but there is no bruise. After several shots, I became aware that I was really having FUN shooting this rifle.
Pleasant surprise #2: It groups a few inches high. Using a six o'clock hold on a bullseye target puts all shots even with the black. Not quite IN the black, because it groups a few inches to the left. If I had brought a hammer and punch to the range I could have drifted the front sight to the left and corrected this.
Pleasant surprises #3 and #4: Five shots at 100 yards grouped about 2". The sights on this rifle are not well suited to precision shooting, I don't have a real benchrest, and I'm not that good anyway considering this nagging flinch I have been fighting for a while. Given better sights, better benchrest and better shooter, this rifle could group 1.5moa or under, I'm certain. The mostly not too pretty ammo performed flawlessly.

Overall, I am quite pleasantly surprised. AIM and Empire delivered exactly as advertised and in a timely manner, which is not at all surprising.

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NEtracker
November 10, 2003, 01:14 PM
Seems like excellent range results to me! And sounds like you did well with your purchase.
I don't have a 98K yet, but have a Yugo M48 Mauser.
I liken the recoil to a little kick with the 8mm, and with my M1, it's a small push.:cool:

spacemanspiff
November 10, 2003, 01:49 PM
my yugo captured m98 has the plum colored extractor too.
i picked up some turkish ammo with date stamps from 1940 and '43. alternate shooting newly manufactured ammo with the milsurp, and you'll feel a HUGE difference. the new stuff gives a slight push, the old stuff will leave a mark.

i just picked up a yugo m48 as well. looks unfired. stock is excellent, bore is shiny, action is tight and smooth. see if i cant make it to the range this weekend.

Kevlarman
November 10, 2003, 02:17 PM
Try shooting some Turk ammo and tell me it doesn't kick. Eep!

NEtracker
November 10, 2003, 03:09 PM
I shoot the Turk 1943 & also some Romanian 1970's stuff.
The Turk has more of a punch.

MuzzleBlast
November 11, 2003, 09:12 AM
According to this website, (http://www.radix.net/~bbrown/codes_rifle.html) the manufacturer is "Berlin-Luebecker Maschinenfabriken, Werk Luebeck." Still looking for info on the ammo manufacturers.

alamo
November 11, 2003, 05:07 PM
I'm just about to order one of the AIM Mausers. I'm gonna get the $179 one. Is that the one you got or the $159?:

http://www.aimsurplus.com/acatalog/WWII_German_K_98_8mm_Mauser.html

How much was the ammo at Empire Arms? He's out-of-town and has taken all the inventory items off the web page till he gets back next week.

SDC
November 11, 2003, 05:33 PM
Your ammo is all sS "heavy ball", with a lead core, and the manufacturer's codes are: P198 - Metallwarenfabrik Treuenbritzen GmbH, Werk Roederhof; P490 - Hugo Schneider A.G., Werk Altenburg; and P442 - Zieh-und Stanzwerk GmbH, Schleusingen, Thüringen. HTH.

Jim K
November 11, 2003, 11:09 PM
The manufacturers of the ammo per the box labels are:

P 151 - Rheinisch-Westfalische Sprengstoff, Nurnberg-Stadeln (RWS)
P 315 - Markisches Walzwerk GmbH, Strausberg
P 94 - Kabel und Metallwarenfabrik Neumeyer AG, Nurnberg

The 8 L 39 and similar markings indicate lot numbers for that year.

Nz Gew Bl P means Nitrozellulose Gewehr Blatt Pulver (Nitrocellulose Rifle Flake Powder) with the chemical composition (sorry, I don't know the exact meaning), followed by the powder manufacturer and lot number.

Patrh. S* means Patronehulsen (cartridge cases) of brass; this is followed by the case manufacturer and lot number.

Gesch. means Geschosse (bullets), again followed by the maker and lot number.

Zdh. means Zundhutchen (primers) followed by the type (1888), the manufacturer and lot number. Zdh 88 uses a corrosive potassium chlorate compound; Zdh 38 is non corrosive, but seldom encountered.

(All that ammo is highly corrosive, so good cleaning of the rifle will be necessary.)

As you can gather, an assortment of companies produced components, but not necessarily complete rounds. Components were, when necessary, shipped to a loading plant to be assembled. The various box markings kept track of who made what when, so that in case there were failures, the source of the problem could be determined.

The ammo shown loose does not seem to be from the boxes shown. Either it is from different boxes not shown, or it has been repacked in non original boxes.

Jim

MuzzleBlast
November 12, 2003, 08:49 AM
Is that the one you got or the $159?$159 plus shipping of a little less than $15. I don't mind a few extra battle scars to go with intact proof marks.
The ammo shown loose does not seem to be from the boxes shown. Either it is from different boxes not shown, or it has been repacked in non original boxes.These are just a random selection. Is all that info available on a website somewhere, or is it from books?How much was the ammo at Empire Arms?I got 15 boxes, shipped, for about $47. Dennis has it in unopened battle packs, but I really didn't expect that I would want to shoot this rifle that much. I only ordered the minimum I could to get over Dennis's $30 order minimum. Now I'm thinking I need to get one of those cans of Yugo surplus from AIM or SOG or whoever it was that has it.

alamo
November 13, 2003, 10:57 PM
I'm going to order one of the AIM $159 Mausers tomorrow. Decided it would be nice to have one with the original markings even though the rifle may have more wear than the $179 ones with some of the markings peened out.

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