Remington 1903A3 question


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lencac
December 13, 2009, 01:29 AM
What do you guys make of this? A serialized bolt with this remmy 1903A3. Looks like it's never been fired.

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PCGS65
December 13, 2009, 08:31 AM
I'll take it!!
How about more pics?:what:

buttrap
December 13, 2009, 08:44 AM
Some fawlking idjit took a nice A-1 and refinished the stock and tryed to make a psudo NM gun out of it. Still if you can find a clean bolt body and new stock for the thing its a 1200 buck A-1. They aslo reparked the receicver and slapped in a replacement bolt body and I am sure it has been shot and shot a lot too.

sanerkeki
December 13, 2009, 08:45 AM
Looks brand new:)

Brimic
December 13, 2009, 08:50 AM
The bolt is definately incorrect. Only markings on the bolt should be an 'R'.
Its hard to tell from that short segment, but the corners ont he stock look a little 'soft' like it may have been sanded/ refinished, though I'm les certain about that than about the bolt.

buttrap
December 13, 2009, 08:52 AM
Its a rebuild fake though a nice one. The stock is a mayor tip off. If real it would have a pentagraph stock that looks like cord wood. Plus it has a 1903 stock too.

PCGS65
December 13, 2009, 08:57 AM
by Sanerkeki, Looks brand new
They sure did a nice job from what we can see in the pic. I always love the reddish stocks. 90% of them are re-arsenaled stocks anyway.

That serialized bolt does look tacky. I sure hope they didn't engrave it.

buttrap
December 13, 2009, 09:12 AM
****ty pic but this is what they look like after the cosmoline is cleaned off of one that has not been shot since proof in 1943.

PCGS65
December 13, 2009, 09:43 AM
BT both pics look like an A3 stock to me?

buttrap
December 13, 2009, 09:54 AM
The messed with gun has a 1903-A1 stock on it as it has the side screws and not the pins they used on the A3 guns. Plus the thing has rebuild blued out of the parts bin parts on it they used on the 1903-A1 03 cross jobs. The main tip off is it has that grey repark color vs bring bright green.

PCGS65
December 13, 2009, 10:29 AM
Very well BT.
I just purchased a 1918-1903 springfield mixmaster, though a nice rebuild job in '42?
If I get around to it I'll take some pics tomorrow and post them here for critiqing. :uhoh:

lencac
December 13, 2009, 10:29 AM
Uh ............ interesting

Some fawlking idjit took a nice A-1 and refinished the stock and tryed to make a psudo NM gun out of it. Still if you can find a clean bolt body and new stock for the thing its a 1200 buck A-1. They aslo reparked the receicver and slapped in a replacement bolt body and I am sure it has been shot and shot a lot too.

Obviously you need a lesson. This is a 1903A3 and nothing else. 1903's and 1903A1's had the rear sight on the barrel and 1903A3's have the rear sight on a dovetail at the rear of the receiver. So the rear sight and dovetail might be a pretty good indication it 's and A3 and not any type of 03 or A1, but who knows, I could be full of it.:neener:
Second, the original finish on Remington built 1903A3's for the date of the serial number was barrel, front sight (minus the blade), receiver and the bolt sleeve were parkerized. All the rest of the hardware was blued. If the A3's were ever shipped back to the arsenal for a rework they were out fitted with C-type stocks. But if it was reworked it would have 2 dimples punched in the receiver under the serial number.

Come on guys .................... none of you have figured it out yet. Put your thinking caps on. :scrutiny:

More pics are not needed for the right answer. You have everything you need. :cool:

buttrap
December 13, 2009, 10:48 AM
Me thinks you could use a lesson but thats beside the point. it as if it had any blue on it the thing is not a A3..its a rem trans pre A-3 with left over with A-1 parts then. Rem made the 1903 up to 1942 and mixed a lot of parts at times when they came out wiht the A-3 And that thing does have a 1903-A1 stock on it too.

SlamFire1
December 13, 2009, 11:25 AM
Military rifles have been through many hands. It is possible that a civilian marked the bolt, it is also possible that a military unit did the same.

I have read, from Vets, of the various ways rifles were stored. Some unit commanders required the bolts removed from rifles in storage, which required serializing the bolt.

PCGS65
December 13, 2009, 11:31 AM
I can't imagine if some of these guys were alive today that built/rebuilt these rifles would think/say about the way many nit pick the hell out of each other on military rifles.

Heck years ago I'll bet they joked saying things like "hey Sam you think these rifles will ever be collectors some day"?...Joe replies "Sam did you skip your medication again"? as they both laugh saying "yea who the heck would want these pieces of crap anyway"? :what:

lencac
December 13, 2009, 11:59 AM
Me thinks you don't know difference between A3 and 03/03A1. Is that your final answer butt?

USSR
December 13, 2009, 03:40 PM
What you have here is a rebuilt Remington 03-A3 (the entire bolt with the exception of the safety should be blued) that was sent overseas. I forget now whether it was the Greeks or the Danes that inscribed the serial number on the bolt, but it was not done by our armory. Early 03-A3 stocks used pins, but latter built ones used stock bolts. If you send a picture of the side of the rifle in the area of the lower band retaining spring, I can tell you if the stock is original to Remington or not.

Don

GarandOwner
December 13, 2009, 06:06 PM
Buttrap: Me thinks you could use a lesson but thats beside the point. it as if it had any blue on it the thing is not a A3

Buttrap, You might find the Book "The Model 1903 Springfield Rifle and its Variations" interesting, it details what is "correct" for each varient of 1903 based on year and model. 1903A3's did have blued parts (I have one)......Even If I didnt have the book and collect myself, I would trust Lencac's knowledge if for nothing else, just based on the number of 1903's he owns :neener:

USSR
December 13, 2009, 07:24 PM
Yes, the 03-A3's had many blued parts. This is because the manufacture of the small parts was subcontracted out to various manufacturers. Here's one for you: who made Smith-Corona's 03-A3 barrels (hint, it wasn't S-C)?

Don

Vern Humphrey
December 13, 2009, 07:30 PM
Hi Standard.

lencac
December 13, 2009, 07:48 PM
Well, nobody has figured it out yet.:rolleyes:

USSR
December 13, 2009, 09:06 PM
Hi Standard.

Bingo!

Don

lencac
December 13, 2009, 10:26 PM
Nope, Nope, nope .... not HI Standard :p

lencac
December 14, 2009, 07:56 PM
Ok, the time is up.
I can say without a doubt that this rifle is brand new and has never had a bullet down the barrel.
And no it's not a Hi Standard or some cobbled up bubba'ed thing or an arsenal misfit or a make believe NM rifle. Look at the numbers etched into the bolt. They're like an artist did them. It wasn't that guys first day on the job. Have you ever tried to etch the radius on a harden bolt? Not easy. This bolt was etched by a professional. You guys could have looked in my past postings and found the answer.
This rifle wasn't even a rifle before and now it has a brand new 4 groove Remington Barrel with the correct date for the serial number.
The receiver and bolt were never used. They're brand new. How can that be!
That's because the receiver was never intended to be used as a service rifle. I used a brand spankin new cosmoline filled mil-spec Remington 4 groove barrel still in the 65 year old wrapping.
I built this rifle from an unused Mann Accuracy Device.
And if you had this rifle in your hands and saw the fit and finish and felt how smooth this thing cycles you wouldn't poo poo it.
After I finish it, tune it, and road test it, I'll auction it.;)

lencac
January 4, 2010, 10:09 PM
Here's a few pics of how the "Mann Accuracy Device" came out

little joe
January 4, 2010, 11:42 PM
Gun art.......

Congratulations on you vision and workmanship.

Is it for admiring, shooting or both.....?

lencac
January 5, 2010, 12:23 AM
Thanks very much Little Joe. You had to go and ask "the question" :eek: Part of me says that it can only be unfired once but my trigger finger is gettin a little itchy. And hence the dicotomy.
Any thoughts would be apprecieated.
Thanks again LJ for the kind words ;)

The_Pretender
January 5, 2010, 01:42 AM
If you have several 03's, I suppose you could let this one sit unfired. But what fun would that be? If you get enjoyment just from owning it, or you see it as a potential investment, don't do it. Hang it on the mantle, call it a day.

Or take it out and let it do what it was created to do. Imagine a deer that never got to run, or a bird that never got to fly. 65 years.... imagine all the pent up hell it has inside to raise!

It's a beautiful instrument. Let it sing!

little joe
January 5, 2010, 02:52 AM
Let it sleep.....

Probably the only rifle like it in existence.

After all, how many Mann Accuracy Devices were there and are there now. And how many built, beautifully into a serviceable, virtually new 1903 Springfield ?

I would savor the moment. As you said " it is only unfired once ". No rush.

Just my .02

skidooman603
January 5, 2010, 04:48 AM
All I can say is "Man Alive:eek:" What beauty! Don't you feel like an Ass, Butt.

skidooman603
January 5, 2010, 04:50 AM
Me...I would fondle often...brag much....not shoot

skidooman603
January 5, 2010, 07:16 AM
Man I keep coming back to this post! I'm in Love!

Dave P
January 5, 2010, 08:46 AM
Who wants to take a guess at how many new friends the OP made with this thread??

skidooman603
January 5, 2010, 09:36 AM
Maybe I'm just ignorant but who is "the OP"?

CZguy
January 5, 2010, 09:40 AM
OP stands for Original poster. :)

skidooman603
January 5, 2010, 09:51 AM
Well sure it does...:o Thanks CZ

lencac
January 5, 2010, 08:51 PM
Thanks guys for all your comments and thoughts. After seeing the feedback I probably won't be shooting it. At least as long as I own it. I have many other 03's that can handle that task. The hard part is that whenever I get a new rifle I find much pleasure in wringing it out to see just what it is capable of.
I have listed it on Gun broker so perhaps the person who purchases it will shoot it ... maybe not. It is one of a kind and as Little Joe mentioned quite possibly the only one in the universe.
Thanks again guys for your insight:)

CZguy
January 5, 2010, 09:46 PM
lencac,

How about a link.

lencac
January 5, 2010, 09:53 PM
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=152766425

little joe
January 5, 2010, 11:15 PM
Hey Lencac,

I got the bidding started. Good luck.

And in case I do a little further bidding I want everyone to know, this is a straight up deal for me. I happen to like the rifle and would love to own it. I do have a limit though....Wife has been very understanding lately..... !

I have never met, nor talked with LENCAC beyond this thread and my thread on whether my 1903a3 was "Unissued, Refurbished or Both".

Regards Joe

skidooman603
January 6, 2010, 06:03 AM
Can you say shill (spelling?) bidding?? Ha Ha !! Tell ya what...I will take that fake cobbled up piece of dung off your hands right now for $500.00...As a matter of a fact Me believes Butt will be high bidder. Sure wish I would win the lotto in the next few days cuz I know she is going to skyrocket out of my range. Once again...beautiful Lencac

skidooman603
January 6, 2010, 06:06 AM
Little Joe...Didn't you hear they just outlawed ALL firearms in the Facist Republic of California? Might as well cut out that bidding :what:

lencac
January 6, 2010, 04:53 PM
Hey Little Joe ..........;)

I have never met, nor talked with LENCAC beyond this thread and my thread on whether my 1903a3 was "Unissued, Refurbished or Both".


All though I would like to get more for it I kind of hope you win. My starting price was based on how much I have in actual costs to this point plus what I got for the Mann barrel I took off it. So as you could tell this was not a cheap rifle to build.
I just like building these things for a hobby and it keeps me off the streets at night.

little joe
January 6, 2010, 05:46 PM
Skidooman....you are right.

California has finally, after 30 years as a place to work turned me off. The dumb F***'s finally wore me out...I am looking forward to moving. Got about three years left until I retire....Got a good job though and I appreciate that good fortune. Pure luck.....

Eat crap sandwiches from my younger brothers all the time about crap gun laws here....and they are right...I'd kick their butts for messing with me like when we were younger, except they got big like me and they are younger and stronger and now I just have to take it.....:(

Lencac....I have no expectations buddy....it is what it is....I get the interesting hobby part. I view all of my guns as a hobby and I am just a temporary caretaker...

It's a 100% Remington rifle built by the LENCAC ARSENAL that is as beautiful as it is unusual.....I know I'd like to have it. I'm guessing guys are "stragtegerizin" , checking bank accounts and if they are not, I'll give it a great home.

Joe

skidooman603
January 7, 2010, 05:18 AM
:D:D Watch yer back little Joe cuz Big Hoss might be comin

little joe
January 7, 2010, 10:17 AM
Like RUSH says, "come on in, the water is fine"......

I intend to shoot it if I happen to win.

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