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h&kusp45
December 13, 2009, 10:10 PM
Hi everyone! This is my 1st post on THR..
Just bought a socom 2. Anything I should know?
Thank you!

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taliv
December 13, 2009, 10:19 PM
wear plugs and muffs

Voland
December 13, 2009, 10:28 PM
I would recommend the FM23-8. Its the rifle marksmanship manual. A good read. www.m14tfl.com is going to be one of your best resources. Other then that, shoot the snot out of it if you can afford it. If not, start reloading! :evil:

Congrats on a fine rifle.

V.

h&kusp45
December 13, 2009, 10:41 PM
Yea that what I hear! Lol no pun intended..

h&kusp45
December 13, 2009, 11:35 PM
What about breaking it in? I've heard rumors
about needed to clean the bore after every
shot until 50 shots.. Is that true?

Big_E
December 13, 2009, 11:39 PM
Some say barrel break in is a myth, others swear by it. I personally don't do it and have found acceptable accuracy. Just make sure you clean it after every range trip.

Welding Rod
December 13, 2009, 11:39 PM
Man if that were true I don't think I would every buy another gun.

blackops
December 14, 2009, 12:13 AM
wear plugs and muffs

haha

Welcome to thr! Nice rifle too!! About the barrel I'm no expert, but I think as long as you give that barrel a good cleaning every time after you shoot it, it will be just fine.

thriftyjoe
December 14, 2009, 12:39 AM
great wepon... ive heard that the sights are set up for close shooting

h&kusp45
December 14, 2009, 01:19 AM
I actually like the ghost ring setup... Going
to get good with them first them try a scope
on it...

Marty183
December 14, 2009, 01:48 AM
That is a nice rifle...Have fun with it.

jbech123
December 14, 2009, 08:39 AM
Some say barrel break in is a myth, others swear by it.

Really depends what your goals are. You should always clean it before shooting it the first time, that's just good sense.
Beyond that, alot depends on the rifle and it's intended use. A plinker/ranch/knockabout rifle where you're happy with 2-3moa, break in cleaning regimen probably is a waste of time, although caring for your rifle can't hurt.
If you just got your $3,000 benchrest rifle in, you'd probably want to be pretty meticulous about break in.
Really the difference will be small, but if you are looking at shaving off .1moa here and there, little things like this can help. If you are an average shooter shooting offhand with a socom, you likely would not notice any difference.

essayons21
December 14, 2009, 09:31 AM
Really depends what your goals are. You should always clean it before shooting it the first time, that's just good sense.
Beyond that, alot depends on the rifle and it's intended use. A plinker/ranch/knockabout rifle where you're happy with 2-3moa, break in cleaning regimen probably is a waste of time, although caring for your rifle can't hurt.
If you just got your $3,000 benchrest rifle in, you'd probably want to be pretty meticulous about break in.
Really the difference will be small, but if you are looking at shaving off .1moa here and there, little things like this can help. If you are an average shooter shooting offhand with a socom, you likely would not notice any difference.

Except that the majority of benchrest barrel manufacturers also advise against barrel break-in.

High quality barrels are lapped from the factory. All you are doing with barrel break in is shortening the life of your barrel, especially if you use a caustic copper remover. Why do you think you shoot fouling shots at long range matches? The copper that fills in the little nooks and crannies in the barrel is a GOOD thing, and improves accuracy.

EDIT: See this old thread on the subject where Gale McMillan weighs in: http://www.snipercountry.com/Articles/Barrel_BreakIn.asp

Shilen says it doesn't really matter but do it if you want: http://www.shilen.com/faq.html#question10

Here's a video on proper break in procedure: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRRahHX9Zkg&feature=player_embedded#

freakshow10mm
December 14, 2009, 09:34 AM
I handled one for an out of state middleman transfer. Very nice weapon. Very front heavy with the rail system. If there was a way to lighten it up a bit it would be perfect.

I would definitely pull the brake off and get a suppressor for it. That's my plan.

h&kusp45
December 14, 2009, 01:11 PM
Do supressors make the gun more accurate
since you are adding length to the barrel?

possum
December 14, 2009, 01:15 PM
welcome to thr. personally i wouldn't do a barrel break in on an 18 gun, to me they aren't meant for long range precision accuracy. otherwise i would. great rifle, and i can't wait to see pics.

freakshow10mm
December 14, 2009, 01:28 PM
Suppressors can make the gun more accurate. When a bullet is fired the barrel swells and there is vibration in the barrel. There is a certain flex as well. When you have an accurate rifle, the bullet leaves the muzzle when barrel deflection is the least, or at least theoretically the same point. When you add weight to the muzzle, you change the harmonics of the barrel vibration and the result is impact shift of the bullet on the target. Some cans have such little impact on this the accuracy doesn't change. Usually a 2 MOA rifle will be a 2 MOA rifle whether the silencer is attached or not, it's just the group impact site might move an inch high and left but still shoot 2 MOA. The only way to find out is to shoot your gun with a suppressor on it.

mp510
December 14, 2009, 02:09 PM
Do supressors make the gun more accurate
since you are adding length to the barrel?
Many of the most accruate .22 target rifles (think FWB, Anschuetz, that sort of thing) are offered in models with appx. 16" barrels- because that is the barrel length needed to maximize the .22LRs velocity. However, shooters who buy the short barreled models as opposed to the traditional 24 or 26" models will often attach extensions (bloob tubes) so that they will be able to enjoy the longer (thus more forgiving) sight radius (and also balance to an extent as well).

Whenever you attach somethign to a barrel, it changes the barrel harmonics. When I was young, I shot an Anschuetz ST that patterned like a shotgun (I'm being hyperbolic) when the factory donut weight was attached to the barrel. Other people didn't have that problem. How attaching anything to YOUR barrel will affect how your barrel shoots is something that you need to see for yourself--every individual barrel reacts differently

Casefull
December 15, 2009, 09:19 PM
Barrel break in is for the owner so he feels like he is doing something special. Like waxing a new car with clear coat ( you are putting fine scratches in the glossy clear finish). Clean it, shoot it, and clean it when it is dirty.

happygeek
December 15, 2009, 09:59 PM
My first rifle was a Springfield NM M1A with wood stock and all, looks straight out of 1960. Even came with the Army TM for the M14. I still love that thing to death. I just wish the price of 7.62 would come down a bit.

Make sure you clean the gas plug after pretty much every range trip! I didn't realize this at first and it makes it a lot harder to unscrew the plug once the carbon builds up on the threads.

Dr_2_B
December 16, 2009, 01:21 AM
Sorry H&K, we don't actually believe you. Around these parts you have to produce a photo (preferably several) for us to accept that you actually possess the thing.

;)

Almond27
December 16, 2009, 01:38 AM
All of the info on cleaning, field stripping, modifying, whatever is on http://www.m14tfl.com/upload/index.php bunch of really knowledgeable guys who know their stuff on M14's.

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