Anyone Bought Sub 2000 in Michigan?


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thunder173
December 15, 2009, 07:57 PM
Talking with my LGS today to check a price on a Keltec Sub 2000 Carbine. Was told they are not approved for sale in the state of Michigan. Anybody in this forum from Michigan who HAS bought one here?? Contacted Keltec and they gave me zip info. Very dissappointed in that.

If anyone has purchased one here..give me a shout please. Am interested in buying one. Thanx

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eight433
December 15, 2009, 08:03 PM
hmmm i dunno. I have been searching up and down but have not found one. On the other hand, no dealer has told me they were not permitted though!

highorder
December 15, 2009, 08:09 PM
You were told wrong.

The sub 200 has always been available in Michigan.
We sold plenty of them when I worked behind the counter in Kalamazoo.

FYI, they are treated as pistols.

Reference thread (http://www.migunowners.org/forum/showthread.php?t=68680)

thunder173
December 15, 2009, 09:00 PM
Thanx folks,...kinda figured that was the case. Think I'll contact that gun store that told me they couldn't sell them again, and see whats up. I have bought a lot of lead and iron from them.

CMP
December 15, 2009, 09:51 PM
I thought you couldnt have a stock on a pistol, wouldnt that make it a SBR? We cant have SBRs in Michigan :( It has a 16in barrel, is it 30oal?

General Geoff
December 15, 2009, 10:07 PM
It's not considered an SBR by federal standards. It has a 16" barrel, and a 29" overall length.

herohog
December 15, 2009, 10:25 PM
It is a rifle, plain ans simple. A folding carbine to be exact but a rifle none the less.

X-Rap
December 15, 2009, 10:27 PM
If they can sell a Handi they should be able to sell a Sub 2000.

General Geoff
December 15, 2009, 10:38 PM
It is a rifle, plain ans simple. A folding carbine to be exact but a rifle none the less.
Not according to Michigan. (www.legislature.mi.gov/documents/publications/firearms.pdf)

WEAPONS:
Firearm fully operable when folded or contracted with length of 30 inches or less as a pistol
A firearm containing a stock capable of being contracted or folded to an overall length of 30 inches or less and being fully
operable in such contracted or folded condition is a pistol requiring licensure for purchase, carrying or transport, and is subject
to safety inspection.
A rifle with a barrel of at least 16 inches in length and a stock capable of being contracted or folded to an overall length of less
than 26 inches, being fully operable in such contracted or folded condition, is a ‘short-barreled rifle’ whose sale or possession
is prohibited.
A shotgun with a barrel of at least 18 inches in length and a stock capable of being contracted or folded to an overall length
of less than 26 inches, being fully operable in such contracted or folded condition, is a ‘short-barreled shotgun’ whose sale or
possession is prohibited.

chevyforlife21
December 15, 2009, 10:40 PM
im confused if you cant have these guns. how does uncle ted have automatic mp5's m16's etc...

X-Rap
December 15, 2009, 10:44 PM
WEAPONS:
Firearm fully operable when folded or contracted with length of 30 inches or less as a pistol
A firearm containing a stock capable of being contracted or folded to an overall length of 30 inches or less and being fully
operable in such contracted or folded condition is a pistol requiring licensure for purchase, carrying or transport, and is subject
to safety inspection.
A rifle with a barrel of at least 16 inches in length and a stock capable of being contracted or folded to an overall length of less
than 26 inches, being fully operable in such contracted or folded condition, is a ‘short-barreled rifle’ whose sale or possession
is prohibited.

The gun won't operate when folded.

sv51macross
December 15, 2009, 10:49 PM
@chevyforlife21

What do you mean? Michiganders owning shorter-than-30" rifles?

As for Ted Nugent, he's either rich enough to be able to afford $10,000+ each for pre-1986 NFA-registered machine guns, or owned them prior to the cessation of new-MG registration. It is legal to own MG's, but as mentioned, the only ones that are legally transferable (with the $200 tax stamp of course) are old and substantially few, so prices are rediculous.

General Geoff
December 15, 2009, 10:49 PM
The gun won't operate when folded.

The Sub2000 is under 30" even when not folded, and fully operable.

X-Rap
December 15, 2009, 11:15 PM
Gotcha, to bad for the Michiganders. Heck NYS even blesses them. I guess I was in violation traveling through MI.
I really need to stay west of the Missouri and away from the left coast.



Mother Gue The Rocky Mountains is the Marrow of the world.

General Geoff
December 15, 2009, 11:20 PM
I guess I was in violation traveling through MI.

Probably not, it's still legal; just considered a pistol.

X-Rap
December 15, 2009, 11:22 PM
Traveling back and forth to NYS I figured that was my best bet as far as getting to and from my truck without a scene. That and lucky I had some 10 rd mags.

thunder173
December 15, 2009, 11:52 PM
Thanx to all for your comments. I really don't give a rip if it's classified as a rifle or a pistol...I'll get a permit to purchase if need be, though I do have a CCW,...it being legally a pistol actually HAS some inherent advantages that I can see. My question was,..and still is,..

Has anyone actually purchased one here in the state of Michigan??

highorder
December 16, 2009, 12:25 PM
Purchased, no.

Sold, yes.

You do not need a Purchase Permit, as you have a CCW (as you know)
You will find one, do the 4473 dance, get NICS'd, and you're all set.

Finding one is the tough part!

alistaire
December 16, 2009, 12:41 PM
Note the M1 Carbine with paratrooper stock is operable when folded, and is a pistol in MI. If you have a CCW, you can conceal carry it if you can figure out how to conceal it.
So are some of the SU-16 models.

tju1973
December 16, 2009, 05:23 PM
@chevyforlife21

What do you mean? Michiganders owning shorter-than-30" rifles?

As for Ted Nugent, he's either rich enough to be able to afford $10,000+ each for pre-1986 NFA-registered machine guns, or owned them prior to the cessation of new-MG registration. It is legal to own MG's, but as mentioned, the only ones that are legally transferable (with the $200 tax stamp of course) are old and substantially few, so prices are rediculous.
And Uncle Nuge keeps most of his fun stuff in Texas these days... ;)

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