securing an ar-15 in an suv


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dakotasin
December 15, 2009, 07:56 PM
does anybody have a good way to store an ar-15 in an suv? my ar rides w/ me everyday, but it can be a nuisance to have to get it off the passenger seat every time i need to give somebody a ride.

i don't mind building something, but need some pointers, even pics. my suv has a sunroof, which makes a roof-mount somewhat tricky, but i would like to have the gun accessible to me at all times in the truck.

thanks for any pointers...

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jobu07
December 15, 2009, 08:04 PM
I suppose this all depends on how accessible you want it. For instance, do you want a rack system in the rear of the vehicle so you can get to it in the event of an emergency? If you're expecting to travel through Mosul anytime soon, though, you might just let the rifle rest on your lap.

ChaoSS
December 15, 2009, 08:05 PM
You can buy gun racks like the cops use in their cars, or used to use, seems it's been awhile since I've seen a cop with a long gun that wasn't secured in the trunk, but they make them that can secure your gun on the roof, on the dash, between the seats, on the back window of a car, on the floor behind the front seats, it really depends on how your SUV is laid out and where you have room for it. A good gun rack can be locked or left unlocked, and some could even incorporate something that shields the trigger so you don't fire your gun if you or someone in the car throws something in the back and accidentally hits the gun just so.

oneounceload
December 15, 2009, 08:09 PM
Are you LE or military? Why does your AR NEED to be with you EVERY day?

Guess I'm not seeing the common sense here....

Avenger29
December 15, 2009, 08:13 PM
Are you LE or military? Why does your AR NEED to be with you EVERY day?

Guess I'm not seeing the common sense here....

What does that have to do with anything? Do you NEED anything beyond 1 gun for protection?

Dunno the best solution for securing a longgun in an SUV, especially readily accessible. I'm trying to figure out something similar for my extended cab truck...

oneounceload
December 15, 2009, 08:20 PM
Quote:
Are you LE or military? Why does your AR NEED to be with you EVERY day?

Guess I'm not seeing the common sense here....
What does that have to do with anything? Do you NEED anything beyond 1 gun for protection?

Dunno the best solution for securing a longgun in an SUV, especially readily accessible. I'm trying to figure out something similar for my extended cab truck...

I guess this: my ar rides w/ me everyday,

was why I asked the question........sounds more like a video-game commando, troll or anti asking a question like this

distra
December 15, 2009, 08:26 PM
What does that have to do with anything? Do you NEED anything beyond 1 gun for protection?

In several states a loaded long gun is illegal to transport. The OP did not mention whether or not his AR is loaded all the time. Some states require your long gun to be "cased" when transported. Since the OP does have a state of residence listed, the LEO or military question is valid. As for the OP's request, Cabelas sells several different styles of rifle racks for SUVs and trucks. I would urge you to check local laws before transporting in one.

Bovice
December 15, 2009, 08:28 PM
my personal opinion-AR should go in the back. Get a rack of some kind and put it on the floor of your cargo area. It's probably not what you were wanting to hear, but think about it this way. If you have to go for your weapon quickly from inside your vehicle, the AR-15 is a rifle and is going to be tricky to get it into a position that you can fire from. If you really think there's a good possibility you'd get into a serious gunfight, carry a pistol up front. This pistol can be put anywhere up front that you'd like it to be, and it can be pointed and fired quickly. If all hell is really breaking loose, you'll have to get away from the vehicle, since it's just going to draw fire, and it offers you very little protection. Even a .22 can pierce autobodies. You can then position your car so that the passenger side is closest to the threat. Exit the vehicle, and use the rear wheel for cover. when you find a safe enough opportunity, peek around the tail end, shoot at any BGs you see, and grab for your rifle.

It's not very realistic to try to drive and shoot an AR-15 at the same time. It's meant to be a 2 handed weapon. A pistol is easily operated single handedly, leaving you with one hand to steer. Sure, you can prop the rifle up on the sill and let loose... but not with any semblance of accuracy. That's a dangerous thing to do here in the United States. You might hit innocent people.

Another thing, unrelated to the practical use of the AR-15 in your vehicle is securing the rifle. If you've got that thing propped up on the passenger seat, everybody is going to see it. Drive past the wrong spectator and they'll follow you to wherever you're going, and try to break in to steal the gun. Just because you may have a right to do something doesn't mean it's smart.

Keep it hidden and readily accessible-that's the best thing I can come up with.

Hold My Own
December 15, 2009, 08:40 PM
Quick Google search and I came up with this.

http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk244/narco944/054.jpg

I'm sure something like this could be constructed without the "separator" between the front and back seats.

If you need it hidden, then this might not be the best idea.

nipprdog
December 15, 2009, 08:43 PM
does anybody have a good way to store an ar-15 in an suv? my ar rides w/ me everyday, but it can be a nuisance to have to get it off the passenger seat every time i need to give somebody a ride.


:eek:

dakotasin
December 15, 2009, 08:57 PM
geez... this is a pro-gun site? i have over 4,000 posts over the span of 7 years and i am just now being found out for an anti-gun troll?

ok... since i need to justify my second amendment rights on a pro-gun site, i guess i will. i live in a rural state w/ very tolerable gun laws. there are no restrictions on me carrying a long gun, at all. if i have a couple of minutes after work to sneak in a quick coyote hunt, range trip, or happen upon a coyote, fox, skunk, badger, road-damaged deer, stray pop can, or just feel like shooting, while i am traveling across my rural state on gravel roads, minimum maintenance roads, across my corn fields, viewing the alfalfa fields, or feel a need to arm myself for self defense, i want to do it w/o hassles... if that is ok w/ you, distra/one ounce loaded?

the gun doesn't have to be super-secret hidden, but wouldn't hurt my feelings if it was a little harder to see from the outside. however, i am not real concerned about someone breaking into my vehicle to steal the gun. access is more important to me than security.

thanks, fellas.

danbrew
December 15, 2009, 09:14 PM
http://www.truckvault.com/ProductsByVehicleType.aspx?CID=LE&VTID=SUV

SSN Vet
December 15, 2009, 09:19 PM
they sell slide out case like lock boxes sized for the way back of standard model SUVs (Yukon, Expedition, etc...).

Truck Vault is one brand.... http://www.truckvault.com/Default.aspx

We've built custom organizers for a near by P.D. to use in them and they are quite nice.

They keep their AR, Shotty, and ammo. all neatly stowed within.

pop the tail gait, punch the keys on the cypher lock and the case opens up like a kitchen drawer with all the goodies easilly accessed.

the nice part about this config. is that you can pile all your other cargo on the smooth top surface. So you loose about 10" on the floor and that's it.

as you might expect... they're not cheap.... several hundred dollars... and that NOT including the custom partition set up.

We were supposed to do a custom set up for their accident reconstruction kit, with some very expensive surveying instruments, but weren't really making any money on this onesy twosy love volume business, so we stopped pursuing it.

ChaoSS
December 15, 2009, 09:29 PM
So you mostly don't want to use it for self defense, is that right? Would it be reasonable to keep it in the back of the SUV, and keep a handgun up front for SD? Or is that not a good enough option for you? One of the above posters said, and they are right, that you really can't bring that kind of weapon to bear within a car, so I would assume that you are ok with having to get out to get it?

distra
December 15, 2009, 09:31 PM
ok... since i need to justify my second amendment rights on a pro-gun site, i guess i will. i live in a rural state w/ very tolerable gun laws. there are no restrictions on me carrying a long gun, at all. if i have a couple of minutes after work to sneak in a quick coyote hunt, range trip, or happen upon a coyote, fox, skunk, badger, road-damaged deer, stray pop can, or just feel like shooting, while i am traveling across my rural state on gravel roads, minimum maintenance roads, across my corn fields, viewing the alfalfa fields, or feel a need to arm myself for self defense, i want to do it w/o hassles... if that is ok w/ you, distra/one ounce loaded?

Your posts are now in context. You do not have to justify your 2nd amendment rights at all, but just because it is a right does not mean everything you do with it will be legal. We were merely trying to keep our advice legal and in context. You can't run around every state, even in rural areas, with an AR sitting in the passenger seat without getting some unwanted LE attention. I'm sure even in your "gun friendly state" the wrong person seeing an AR in the passenger seat could cause you have a not so pleasant afternoon.

Now on a more practical note, a couple guys at our club built their own slide out drawers for their SUVs. They work really well, but not quick access. I think I would use these instead http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/templates/product/standard-item.jsp?id=0045916523045a&navCount=1&podId=0045916&parentId=cat20121&masterpathid=&navAction=jump&cmCat=MainCatcat602007-cat20121&catalogCode=QZ&rid=&parentType=index&indexId=cat20121&hasJS=true

jnyork
December 15, 2009, 09:35 PM
Get out your Cabela's catalog, there are several different items there that might fit your needs.

dakotasin
December 15, 2009, 09:35 PM
right, primary use is not self defense.
6-position stock, 16" barrel - it is surprisingly maneuverable inside the vehicle, but admittedly not the most graceful. however, given that it is not my primary sd weapon, if it takes a second or two to deploy, that is fine. however, running to the back of the truck to pop the gate, and then deploy the rifle would likely mean a lost opportunity.

while the truckvault options are really cool, i think they are for more 'civilized' places where discretion and security are the priority. again, not concerned much about discretion - don't really care who might see it.

don't want or need to store a seperate handgun.

Justin
December 15, 2009, 09:36 PM
Are you LE or military? Why does your AR NEED to be with you EVERY day?

Guess I'm not seeing the common sense here....

If you see no reason to carry an AR in your vehicle, then feel free not to.

But there's fundamentally no reason to question the man, let alone insult him about what he does or does not choose to do with his own private property.

War Squirrel
December 15, 2009, 09:40 PM
+1 Justin. Maybe the guy really likes his AR. Why hassle him about it? I thought you high-roaders were above that.

Do what my cousin did.. He kept a shotgun tucked between his center console and passenger seat. Got a good bit of surface rust after a few years, but if you modified an old gun case to sit there to keep the gunk from under your seat off of it, you might be in good shape. ;)

dakotasin
December 15, 2009, 09:40 PM
I'm sure even in your "gun friendly state" the wrong person seeing an AR in the passenger seat could cause you have a not so pleasant afternoon.


while that may be true some day, it has not been true for as long as i've had rifles in my vehicles in more or less plain sight - some even sitting in gun racks in the rear window. i was questioned once about the practice by leo about 12-13 years ago (my... i didn't realize it had been that long...), but didn't turn into much more than a couple questions and a parting of ways.

ChaoSS
December 15, 2009, 09:41 PM
Now on a more practical note, a couple guys at our club built their own slide out drawers for their SUVs. They work really well, but not quick access. I think I would use these instead http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/te...121&hasJS=trueThis is probably the best bet right here, doesn't lock, but it seems like it's really access and it's pretty cheap compared to other options.

X-Rap
December 15, 2009, 10:04 PM
I have one of the double roof racks in my 1 ton but the newer 1/2 tons don't have much meat to get a screw to bite.
I have thought about removing the center seat from my 08 ford crew cab and welding up a console with a bottom section that would hold shorter long guns and use gas struts to raise and hold it open when I tripped the latch.
Nice to see another who likes to bail out quick to smack a dog once and a while, we need to get some of these city boys out and show em some fun.
Good shooting and may we always be able to haul em like we want to.

DeathByCactus
December 16, 2009, 12:00 AM
So you mostly don't want to use it for self defense, is that right? Would it be reasonable to keep it in the back of the SUV, and keep a handgun up front for SD? Or is that not a good enough option for you? One of the above posters said, and they are right, that you really can't bring that kind of weapon to bear within a car, so I would assume that you are ok with having to get out to get it?

He stated this already. He uses it frequently to hunt varmints and doesn't seem to expect to use it in self defense since it was listed last. Since you A) Didn't read his second post or B) Don't hunt, attempting to get out of a vehicle, open up a trunk, pull the rifle out of a case/holding system, load it and then look to aim... well the animal is gone.

Much easier to stop, pull, chamber, shoot.

X-Rap
December 16, 2009, 12:15 AM
One of the above posters said, and they are right, that you really can't bring that kind of weapon to bear within a car, so I would assume that you are ok with having to get out to get it?
Thats the kind of thing somebody who has never done it would say, depending on how it is stored you would be surprised how fast one can be chambered and on target. In some of the less restrictive states especially if on private property and shooting at non game species letting fly from the front seat is perfectly acceptable.
At best if you can get the truck shut down and make it to the fence line your good to go.

Tom488
December 16, 2009, 01:28 AM
http://www.aztrucks.com/product.asp?pr=Shelf-It_Overhead_Storage_Shelf

Erik M
December 16, 2009, 04:09 AM
this all depends on how accessible you want it.

exactly what i was gonna say. I keep my rifle in a padded steel case.

AK103K
December 16, 2009, 08:15 AM
I've used a home made version of the shelf rack in my old Land Cruiser with good success. You just have to watch it doesnt come out and smack you in the forehead and then land across your arms while your driving. :)

The best racks I've found and have used for quite a number of years now, are the Big Sky overhead racks found here...

http://www.bigskyracks.com/index.html

http://www.bigskyracks.com/images/sporting/froncover.jpg

I've carried both my AR's and AK's in mine, as well as a couple of different other rifles and shotguns. The rack is quiet, the quietest I've used, and the guns were always secure and never moved when secured. I've had people get in the truck, and never notice they were above their head the whole time they were in the truck, and I've been pulled over for speeding, and the none of the cops ever noticed them either.

Crash_Test_Dhimmi
December 16, 2009, 08:30 AM
The coolest thing I saw was in the show 24, Jack Bauer had what looked like a Ford Expedition, and he had an armory in the back of it. It consisted of flat drawers, like one of those red rollaway tool boxes. Just pull the drawer out, take what you need, push the drawer back in, lock, and good to go. If I ever get an SUV, I will be looking into this kind of setup.

X-Rap
December 16, 2009, 09:58 AM
Ak thats what I've got in my big truck. It is solid and fast to get a gun out of and as you say most people don't even know its there. I had a buddy riding and I saw something that needed to be shot so I reached up and grabbed the shotgun and jumped out and when I got back in he said he didn't even see the gun until I had it comming down in my hands.
I think it might be a little unsettling for a cop during a stop so I personally will notify if I ever am so he is not standing in front of the muzzles.
It probably wouldn't be a good rack if cases are required but I think some cable locks could be rigged up so it would at least slow a thief down.

kanook
December 16, 2009, 10:15 AM
do you have a bench seat or are they seperate with a console inbetween? I'm making one to fit in my truck that will fit on the console inbeween the seats from my atv rifle rack.

FAS1
December 16, 2009, 10:26 AM
Ran across these last night looking for ways to secure long guns. You might get some ideas here.

http://www.chiefsupply.com/Vehicle_Equipment/Gun_Racks,Locks

meytind
December 16, 2009, 10:58 AM
Based on the OP's needs, I'm going to second what AK103K said and suggest the overhead rack. It's still readily accessible but it does not require the weapon to ever be moved around. You no longer have to move your rifle to pick up a passenger.

dakotasin
December 16, 2009, 07:14 PM
kanook - the seats are buckets. removing the console may not be the best option because of the shifter; however, i may be able to find a way to modify the console in such a manner to allow a long gun or two to fit...?

thanks to everybody else for the links and ideas. as mentioned, i have a sunroof so a roof rack may not be the prettiest, but it could be the only way.

mikewayde
February 15, 2010, 10:39 PM
Sorry to bring up an old post but I have used one of these when
I was younger. http://www.aztrucks.com/product.asp?..._Storage_Shelf . I may get another...

gdcpony
February 15, 2010, 10:59 PM
Are you LE or military? Why does your AR NEED to be with you EVERY day?

Guess I'm not seeing the common sense here....
I carry mine in my vehicle. I have a habit of coming up on deer hits and the poor thing is thrashing around. Sometimes the local sheriff will let me put it down (and give me a permit to keep it). Also I am an avid varmint hunter who lives around allot of farms and public land. A ground hog out in a hay field is asking for it.

JDoe
February 15, 2010, 11:38 PM
This looks promising.

http://www.emergencyvehiclesupply.com/store/images/gunracks_G5510DT%5B1%5D.jpg (http://www.emergencyvehiclesupply.com/store/cart.php?target=product&product_id=22564&category_id=278)

PRO-CLAMP, OVERHEAD GUN RACK

Whether you're using shotguns, automatic weapons or non-lethal weapons, a mounting system can be customized specifically for your vehicle. Space-saving mounts and a unique design give easy access to your weapon, leaving room for storage. Most can be mounted with Prog-Gard's no holes drilled, no trim cut system.

hot2trot
February 16, 2010, 05:09 AM
Google "RIFLE-IT". It's available from sevewral venders

http://images.cabelas.com/is/image/cabelas/s7_523045_imageset_01?$main-Medium$

IronLance
February 17, 2010, 12:41 AM
How about the system used by the military in most of their wheeled vehicles. If you don't wish to use Ebay (don't blame you), I'm sure you'd be able to find it somewhere else online.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Military-Truck-Rifle-Mount-Pair-M35-M54-M151-CUCV-MUTT_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem58860dbed6QQitemZ380206169814QQptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories

In the CUCV (Chevy Truck and Blazers), it was mounted on the passenger side of the transmission hump, rifle butt down, the securing hook on the dash. It kept the rifle secure, yet a pull and turn put it right in your hand.

bhk
February 17, 2010, 12:13 PM
This month I am doing a lot of coyote calling. My magazine-loaded AR is also resting on my front seat. I may drive 5 - 10 miles from my house to hunt, but drive on gravel roads passing through dozens of farms I have permission to hunt on. It is legal to carry loaded exposed long guns in my state and legal to shoot at game as long as I pull off the road and have landowner's permission. As a matter of fact, if I passed on such an opportunity, I would probably get chewed out by the farmer.

Spotting an incidental coyote on the way to a real hunt or on the way to town, pulling off the road, grabbing the ARs pistol grip, and sliding out the door is almost a reflexive move. Coyotes do not give you much time to think about things and will disappear in seconds. Realize the rules, traditions, and expectations are different in various parts of the country. I think the OP has a reasonable question.

My answer: I have a double cab Toyota. My AR case is on the floor of the back seat. When I am going to carry a passenger or want my rifle a little less exposed for some reason, I move the rifle to this case with the magazine removed. It is still accessable by simply opening the rear door and slipping the gun out of the unzipped end of the case.

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