Mossberg 930 SPX review, 100 shell first outing range report


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LoneStarWings
December 15, 2009, 10:51 PM
I picked up a 930 SPX yesterday at Dicks's. It was $590 + tax. First I took it home, stripped it, wiped the shipping oil off, applied some CLP to everything, then wiped it off. I then put some very light grease on the appropriate lube points.

Next I took it to a local range with a "shotgun pit". The ghost ring sights are very nice and intuitive. The recoil seemed about half of what I got from a comparable sized pump gun, which was very very nice, especially on slugs. I can't emphasize enough how low the recoil is by comprison to an 870. I also loved how easy it was to load shells into the magazine. They seemed to slide in much easier than the remingtons and berettas I've handled.

I fired:

20 Remington Slugger 1oz rifled slugs
25 Remington Express #1 16 pellet buckshot
5 Remington Express 00 9 pellet buckshot
50 Remington #7 1/2 game load birdshot

I always made sure the magazine was full before a string of shots, and also "ghost loaded" a round onto the lifter each time for a total of 9 shots per string. I never had a ghost-load related malfunction. There were no stove pipes or cyling-related malfunctions either, which I thought was great for a brand new gun. Even the light birdshot loads cycled well.

I had 2 malfunctions. The first occured on the 46th shot, during some 00 buckshot, about 4 rounds into the magazine. The magazine spring bound up and the shells were not getting forced onto the lifter, but rather sliding around inside the magazine. I simply unscrewed the mag extension a little bit, heard the spring pop back into place, tighted the mag extenstion backed up, and was back into action. Perhaps I need some dry lube on this spring. Either way, this was the hardest hitting load of the day and perhaps the recoil had some effect.

The 2nd occured on about the 70th round while shooting the light birdshot. I pulled the trigger and heard a "CLICK". This was on the 2nd round from the magazine. I ejected the round from the chamber and noticed an indention on the primer. Curious, I re-loaded the shell, and on the second try it fired. I don't know if I should chalk this one up to a light primer strike or a bad primer on the shell.

Pictures:
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c55/LoneStarWings/930spx.jpg
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c55/LoneStarWings/930spx2.jpg

Range Work

I started out at the range patterning my home defense load, Remington #1 buckshot at 10 yards.

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c55/LoneStarWings/buck14.jpg
I could tell it was shooting a little high and right, so i switched to slugs and backed off to 15 yards.

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c55/LoneStarWings/slugs1.jpg

Adjusted the sights and got this:

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c55/LoneStarWings/slugs2.jpg

Bottomed out the rear sight and came a little more left and got this:

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c55/LoneStarWings/slugs3.jpg

Shot a few more buckshot patterns at 7 yards:
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c55/LoneStarWings/buck12.jpg
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c55/LoneStarWings/buck11.jpg

Overall I'm very happy with this shotgun and feel like it is reliable enough to be a home defense gun. The recoil reduction of the semi-auto is huge and the ghost ring sights are very nice.

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orphanedcowboy
December 16, 2009, 03:10 AM
feel like it is reliable enough to be a home defense gun

I guess if it isn't, it won't much matter then will it?





I am jacking with you, just thought that was funny.

I bought a 930 Combo for the Nephew and I was really surprised out how well it functioned out of the box. I replaced the mag spring with a Wollf, and carried it to the Sporting Clays course and promptly shot 2 rounds without a single hitch. I think for the $450 it is a great shotgun.

Thanks for the review!

kimberfan
December 16, 2009, 03:56 AM
i have had the spring bind on me 2 or 3 times all of them were fixed with a sharp smack to the forend

i had a few failures to eject with low base birdshot was pretty easy to clear and has never happend with high base stuff.

Rshooter
December 16, 2009, 11:44 AM
Very nice review, thanks. :D

oneounceload
December 16, 2009, 12:23 PM
good for you - question -

How are you going to keep it inside your home? Chamber loaded, bolt open; chamber loaded, bolt closed, safety on? or???????

overcast_days
December 16, 2009, 12:23 PM
Thank you, I've been looking at this shotgun.

juk
December 16, 2009, 02:03 PM
Beefy looking shotgun!

1557
December 16, 2009, 03:15 PM
The follower in the 930SPX,in case you havn't looked at it,is a very short and "cupped" metal follower. I've had mine to do the same thing when loading the full 7 rounds into the mag. With only 6 in the mag the problem doesn't occur. I believe the short follower when fully loaded gets "sideways" in the tube under the spring tension.
There is a longer follwer available that stops this.Read the 930SPX review by M24shooter on M4Carbine.net. It will limit the capacity to 6 in the mag but if it's only going to be reliable with 6 anyway,it's not a problem.
It's the only complaint I've had about my 930SPX but others have had well known issues with this gun,including the canted front sight.
I still consider mine a keeper since this problem has been resolved with the follower.Has been totally reliable otherwise with everything I've tried in it,even the low recoil loads.
The follower is made by S&J Hardware.

LoneStarWings
December 16, 2009, 05:19 PM
good for you - question -

How are you going to keep it inside your home? Chamber loaded, bolt open; chamber loaded, bolt closed, safety on? or???????


For now I plan on keeping it with a full magazine and chamber loaded with bolt closed, safety on. There is only one other adult in the house and she knows about guns. I keep my pistol in that same condition and haven't had any problems. That will give me 8 shots of #1 buck. I am debating rather or not to keep one more round ghost loaded on the follower, as it seems to work reliably like that, but I guess there's no need to push things.

The follower in the 930SPX,in case you havn't looked at it,is a very short and "cupped" metal follower. I've had mine to do the same thing when loading the full 7 rounds into the mag. With only 6 in the mag the problem doesn't occur. I believe the short follower when fully loaded gets "sideways" in the tube under the spring tension.
There is a longer follwer available that stops this.Read the 930SPX review by M24shooter on M4Carbine.net. It will limit the capacity to 6 in the mag but if it's only going to be reliable with 6 anyway,it's not a problem.
It's the only complaint I've had about my 930SPX but others have had well known issues with this gun,including the canted front sight.
I still consider mine a keeper since this problem has been resolved with the follower.Has been totally reliable otherwise with everything I've tried in it,even the low recoil loads.
The follower is made by S&J Hardware.

Thanks for that info. I wonder if some combination of different springs and followers would allow you to keep 7 in the tube reliably.

I still need to shoot this gun at 50 yards with slugs to make sure the front sight is OK. As you can see I was still shooting a little high at 15 yards even with the rear sight bottomed out. I *might* have to send this barrel back to mossberg depending on how the longer range slug shooting goes. At least the sight isn't canted though, it seems to be on taget laterally.

kimberfan
December 16, 2009, 06:09 PM
i keep mine ghost loaded with 3'' 00buck (remington 15pellet) so i have 8 3'' mag rounds total.

1557
December 16, 2009, 06:09 PM
Good that your sight isn't canted. I'm fortunate that mine is ok too.
I believe some people have used a Mossberg 590 spring in theirs to correct some of the issues.There are also better extensions available.I have used Choate extensions in the past and they were closed ended,didn't have the moveable front piece that the 930 extensions have. I was a little disappointed in this one as I bumped it once and got it out of alignment and had to remove it to straighten it out.
The review I mentioned has a lot of great information on this gun and the aftermarket products available for it. With just a little tweaking from Mossberg the SPX could run with any auto shottie out there,IMO.

As I said,I like it and will continue to test out things that may improve it overall as a fighting gun. Best of luck with yours,sir.

buckeye8
December 17, 2009, 10:13 PM
I bought a 500SPX (pistol-gripped pump-action version of the 930SPX) on impulse a few months back, fully expecting to regret it. I'm not typically the sort to drop $500 on a gun I haven't researched, but I made the mistake of handling this one in the gunshop and falling for it. I am happy to report that I have yet to regret the purchase. The sights are great, and the gun is an absolute blast to shoot. Very light/easy to handle. No malfunctions/issues of any kind so far. I have an 870 as my primary HD, but wouldn't hesitate to pick up the SPX either.

Dimis
December 17, 2009, 10:54 PM
ive been thinking about the 930SPX too

one question what exactly is ghost loading?

im familiar with topping off and select a round and even top loading but i cant find info without muddling through "ghost ring shotgun sights" on every search i do on here or google/dogpile

kimberfan
December 18, 2009, 04:10 AM
ive been thinking about the 930SPX too

one question what exactly is ghost loading?

im familiar with topping off and select a round and even top loading but i cant find info without muddling through "ghost ring shotgun sights" on every search i do on here or google/dogpile

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KpyNoCnO4B4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNwtzuXkShY

LoneStarWings
December 28, 2009, 05:44 PM
Just thought I'd give an update: I figured out that it takes a 1.5mm Allen Wrench to adjust the height of the front sight. Once I did that, I could get 8" groups at 50 yards with slugs pretty easily, on target. So it's nice to have that figured out.

longgar
February 4, 2010, 09:31 PM
I just picked an SPX 930 up from Dick's in Arlington, TX for $619+tax. I bought a couple "value packs" 100ea for $28. They were 2 3/4",1 1/8oz shot. I took it out and it wouldn't cycle the rounds after about 16 shots.. (Gas port dirty already????) I ended up just shooting buck shot (flawlessly) but that is a little tooooo expensive for a day of fun.

Does anybody have this same problem? What "cheaper"/ bird shot ammo can I use? I just bought a clay pigeon launcher so I really need to find a decent load that isn't too expensive..

I have taken it apart now and cleaned it well. I will try the ammo again but would like to hear from you all on what ammo to run through it? Or, does the gun just need to be cleaned after just a few rounds in order to cycle the lighter loads?

Thanks,

Gary

mjsmith1223
February 5, 2010, 09:20 PM
The cleaning should solve your cycling issues. The 930 (similar to most new guns) comes coated in some sort of shipping grease. It needs to be cleaned before shooting, or the gun will most likely malfunction.

longgar
February 5, 2010, 10:37 PM
Thanks for the reply. I will try the same ammo and report back..

Thanks,
Gary

Al LaVodka
February 5, 2010, 11:05 PM
Just thought I'd give an update: I figured out that it takes a 1.5mm Allen Wrench to adjust the height of the front sight. Once I did that, I could get 8" groups at 50 yards with slugs pretty easily, on target. So it's nice to have that figured out.
Yeah, adjusting sights can be a really difficult process -- up or down (others left and right too), ahhh! And you discovered the right specialized tool for the job. Thankfully you figured it all out to get those nice groups.

Is someone else familiar with the sight adjustments and accuracy?

Al

longgar
March 17, 2010, 10:09 PM
Ok, I cleaned the gun very well, got two other types of 2 3/4 bird shot (more expensive and higher velocity) but the gun still falled to eject and failed to load. (Every 3-5 shots)

The worst thing though is that it broke after about 40 shots.... It just quit. I would chamber a round and try to pull the trigger... and nothing.. no click, nothing.

I sent it back to Mossberg yesterday with a "nasty gram".

First and second impression is VERY BAD!!

If it doesn't come back and work flawlessly, I am going to be pissed off! I will probably sell it regardless.

AcceptableUserName
March 17, 2010, 10:51 PM
your loss. The gun is easily better than anything in its price range. The company itself is the best firearms company I've ever dealt with. I think you're making the mistake of being too hasty with your judgement. Let them fix it, and then shoot it and see.

longgar
March 25, 2010, 07:14 PM
count to 10

longgar
March 25, 2010, 07:15 PM
1234

longgar
March 25, 2010, 07:18 PM
Your absolutely right! MY LOSS...So far. I hope Mossberg can remedy that loss.

I agree that I'm being a little hasty, but it just chaps my hide that it just broke like that. To make it worse, it never worked properly in the first place.

Another concern of mine is that I had to pay for the shipping and they've not contacted me yet to let me know they have it and are looking at it etc...

I am only saying this b/c this is what I would do if I was to run the repair dept. To me, it just makes for great customer service. I treat others the way I would like to be treated.

I have high hopes for the 930SPX.. I sold my custom converted Saiga 12 for this and now I'm starting to have second thoughts..

My buddy is still going to buy one at the Dick's in Garland tomorrow. I told him to hold off until we see what Mossberg will do here.. He said he is going regardless. I said I'm sure its just a fluke b/c I haven't seen too many negative things regarding this product and after all, it did win the "Gun of the Year" award.

:-)

To be continue...

Al LaVodka
March 25, 2010, 10:41 PM
Long...;
I feel for ya man. High hopes and justified expectations given its reputation, albeit brief. Its one of those things where you are just not sure if you could ever trust it even if they do repair it. I think you'll know soon enough and share with us all.
Good luck!
Al

longgar
March 26, 2010, 04:56 PM
I called Mossberg today to check the status of my repair..

According to my tracking number from UPS, my shotgun arrived on the 18th but they were unable to find me in their system. I gave them my name, address, phone #, email, and, the description of my troubles, with the shotgun as requested by their website. Now they can't find me in their system? They advised me they will call me back tomorrow and hopefully they will be able to find my shotgun using the serial # (Which I don't have on me at the moment). They are not able to receive phonecalls on the weekend so I set up a time for them to call me on Saturday. Hopefully they will follow through, and, hopefully they will find my shotgun in their system using the serial #.

To be continued...

PS My friend did buy a Mossberg 930SPX today from the Dick's in Garland, Tx for $619.
I will report back on his results, although I have already forwarded him this forums link.

Smitty in CT
March 26, 2010, 06:13 PM
The sqeaky wheel gets the grease, don't let up on them, hound them contantly and they'll take care of you...

AcceptableUserName
March 26, 2010, 08:12 PM
they WILL make it right. theyve done me right customer service wise so much its not even funny. things go wrong with guns. It's how the company handles it that matters. They'll take care of ya, don;t worry.

Al LaVodka
March 26, 2010, 11:54 PM
A new gun would actually be better for you!
Al

RatDrall
March 27, 2010, 05:13 PM
things go wrong with guns.

They'd better not.

The gun is easily better than anything in its price range.

My buddy's Saigas have never had a problem and they were a couple hundred dollars cheaper than the Mossberg.

I'd be upset if I spent $600+ on a shotgun and it didn't work.

longgar
March 31, 2010, 11:15 PM
UPDATE

I got the call from Mossberg customer service this past Saturday as promised.

They couldn't find my gun in their system using the serial # either. They did add me to their system and confirmed (Using my tracking # from UPS) that someone there signed for my shotgun.

They advised me not to worry they would get everything worked out and ship it back to me ASAP.

As far as my friends SPX...

We went out shooting Monday, but before he shot it, he broke it all down and cleaned/oiled it real well.

It shot the same loads that mine was having trouble with perfectly for the first 80 shots or so..

It had 2 FTEs. and then it failed to shoot at all.. It seemed to have the same trouble as mine.

He broke it all down again and found that the Hammer was just failing to fall after you release it. He sprayed it down real good and kept pushing it and working it in real good.
After all that, he put it back together and it shot another 100 rounds or so pretty well with only 2 more FTE and 2 FTF.

So far, I'm pretty dissapointed. We will go out a couple more times to "Work them in" and go from there. ( I hope I get mine back pretty soon )

Al LaVodka
April 1, 2010, 08:47 PM
I just hate hearing this. Truly.
Al

EdLaver
April 2, 2010, 02:05 AM
longgar, I am having the same issues with mine, it doesn't load the last shell and wont cycle weaker shotgun shells at all. It will only cycle full power stuff. I am debating sending it back to Mossberg, mailing a gun is such a hassle...ugh.

longgar
April 5, 2010, 08:44 PM
I got my shotgun back and will try it again this Friday... WIll report back..



Special note**
They didn't send a message saying what was done.. All I know is if I cock it now, it will click now after pulling the trigger (It ddint do that before).

I know I sound lame by stating it that way, but it should be kept simple right? If I chamber a round, pull the trigger,I expect it to go bang. Repeat untill out of ammo...

longgar
April 10, 2010, 10:11 PM
Ok, went out again after cleaning again.. First box of Winchester 2 3/4 1oz had 3 failure to cycle.. Moved up to 3" shells 1400fps and shot 2 boxes of them with 6 more FTE..

Im sure this is good for shooting buckshot or slugs but not really reliable shoot bird/target loads. I was wanting a cool shotgun that I could shoot enexpensive rounds out of but didn't find it here. I guess I will buy a pump..not mossberg though.. I have a bad taste in my mouth.

I now have it for sale or trade..

Al LaVodka
April 11, 2010, 02:23 AM
Son of a gun. I am disappointed. 'course its the problems we hear more about, but... You should call Mossberg.
Al

Torghn
April 12, 2010, 12:10 AM
I was able to take my new 930 SPX out for the first time this weekend. I shot 100 rounds of the inexpensive federal shells from wallmart. I couldn't be happier, not a single failure of any kind. Everything worked perfectly.

I hope you guys who've had problems get everything worked out.

Al LaVodka
April 12, 2010, 08:39 PM
Darnit Tor, I am trying NOT to buy one of these "shotgun of the year." Then you go and turn the clock back...
Al

oneounceload
April 12, 2010, 08:51 PM
Sorry - matters not to me what the brand - but if you're thinking that 100 rounds free and clear is a sign of reliability.............I would have to disagree....now, 100,000 rounds trouble-free sounds like a well-made gun

longgar
April 12, 2010, 10:55 PM
Tor,

Glad to hear yours is doing well so far. I will call Mossberg and see what they say.

longgar
April 22, 2010, 08:24 PM
Sold it for $650 with the pistol grip and upgraded charging handle, sling, shell holder... I just want something reliable but don't want to spend 1600. I guess I am going to buy a Remingon pump or hold out until I can find a converted Saiga for under $1000. :-)

Dookie
April 23, 2010, 02:20 AM
Sorry to hear about your troubles. Most semi auto shotguns will not cycle smaller loads as they need the energy to properly cycle. Shooting the cheapo birdshot rarely works.

I wonder if the fact that it is the security model that is causing the problems as it has a longer tube and shorter barrel. I did a lot of research and never read about that many people having issues, but I was only checking out the hunting versions.

Also, good luck with the remington pump, they aint doing much better.

DHart
April 27, 2010, 05:43 AM
Sorry to hear the 930 didn't work out for you. I have had a variety of issues with every self-loading shotgun I've owned... even if just issues with light loads. Any issues is cause for loss of confidence. Now I only rely on these three:

http://i397.photobucket.com/albums/pp59/zmonki/Shotguns%20and%20RIfles/ThreeShotguns.jpg

590 is primary home defense shotgun - you won't go wrong with a 500 or a 590, they're true reliable workhorses.

Stoeger Coach Gun is my primary "traveling" gun, as it takes down so quickly and easily and travels so small and light. It goes under the car seat just great. And when you're in your hotel for the night, it re-assembles in 2 seconds and is ready to roll. Sweet little "traveling" 12-gauge!

Sheepdog1968
April 27, 2010, 01:45 PM
Sorry to hear the 930 didn't work out for you. I have had a variety of issues with every self-loading shotgun I've owned... even if just issues with light loads. Any issues is cause for loss of confidence. Now I only rely on these three:

http://i397.photobucket.com/albums/pp59/zmonki/Shotguns%20and%20RIfles/ThreeShotguns.jpg

590 is primary home defense shotgun - you won't go wrong with a 500 or a 590, they're true reliable workhorses.

Stoeger Coach Gun is my primary "traveling" gun, as it takes down so quickly and easily and travels so small and light. It goes under the car seat just great. And when you're in your hotel for the night, it re-assembles in 2 seconds and is ready to roll. Sweet little "traveling" 12-gauge!
I've shot some semi-autos and have to agree. Pumps for home defense and the semi-autos for play. IMO, you should have a back up firearm just in case the primary fails.

LoneStarWings
April 27, 2010, 07:16 PM
It sounds like some of you guys got bad examples of the 930. I feel your pain and understand how frustrating that can be from similar experiences with other firearms. My only advice would be to keep sending it back until mossberg either replaces it or gets it working right, be persistent. At worst, if you no longer have confidence in it, at least you can sell the shotgun in good conscience if mossberg eventually gets it working.

Mine continues to be reliable. It does need to be cleaned every 200 rounds or it will occasionally start to have cycling problems. As long as I clean it every 200 rounds (which is coincidentally what mossberg recommends, I think) mine will not hiccup even with cheap birdshot. I use it as my home defense weapon and have a high degree of faith in it.

Al LaVodka
April 27, 2010, 08:00 PM
Mine... does need to be cleaned every 200 rounds or it will occasionally start to have cycling problems... I use it as my home defense weapon and have a high degree of faith in it.
Does anyone else rely on a gun that they KNOW regularly starts to fail to function as their primary defense gun by choice!?
:rolleyes:
My 500's and 590's, for example? One broken polyresin safety button replaced after-the-fact (though I knew better) with steel in I can't say how many tens of thousands of rounds. And I bet I don't even have to clean 'em.

We're all sorry about his 930. Obviously. I'm delaying a purchase of the SPX, and that wasn't an easy decision. I was a-push-of-a-feather away and if the dopey Customer Service person at Mossberg hadn't told me the Monte Carlo stock, I think is needed for a decent fit, didn't fit on SPX's I already woulda had one!

:eek:

Alden

LoneStarWings
April 27, 2010, 08:11 PM
I'm happy for you and your 500/590's, Al. :cool: How is needing to be cleaned every 200 rounds a "known problem". It's called maintaining your weapon. I can't foresee a situation in which I'll need to fire 200 shells inside my home.

bushmaster1313
April 27, 2010, 11:00 PM
My Mossberg 930 home defense version would not eject the Winchester Ranger Reduced Recoil 8 pellet 00 buck, but it seemed to work fine with full power Remington loads.

Mossberg could not fix it in two tries.

I really liked how it handled and especially the positive feel of the grip. I no longer have it because it would not reliably eject the low recoil loads. It soured me on semi-auto shotguns as a defensive gun.

DHart
April 27, 2010, 11:49 PM
The semi-autos are sure fun. I really do like 'em! But just can't justify choosing one for defense as no matter what you read and hear, they're just a touch finnicky sometimes and that's not good enough for defense in my book. I've enjoyed some cool semis, but have since retreated to the tried-and-true 590, 500, and Coach Gun.

Speaking of "Justify"... Justified is on tonight! Awesome new series on FX. Especially if you like guns and US Marshalls chasing down bad guys. ;)

Smitty in CT
April 28, 2010, 06:48 AM
...But just can't justify choosing one for defense as no matter what you read and hear, they're just a touch finnicky sometimes and that's not good enough for defense in my book...I hear this argument all the time... it doesn't make sense.

For example, lets say I switch from my HD barrel to my target barrel and forget to install the piston then head out to the range (trust me, it can happen :o )

When you fire your first shot, guess what happens when you pull the trigger?? Exactly the same thing that happens on a pump shotgun... It goes bang and the shell doesn't eject by itself. With a pump you have to cycle the action by pulling on the forearm, with a semi, you have to cycle the action using the bolt handle...

Now, there is no excuse for an autoloader that isn't functioning properly and the manufacturer should make the gun work the way its supposed to, if they can't, they should replace the gun.

I've got a couple of 930's, the only malfunctions that I've had were either ammo related or operator stupidity (see above).

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