GEN 4 Glock pic.


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REAPER4206969
December 17, 2009, 02:56 PM
http://glocktalk.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=186890&d=1261073428

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REAPER4206969
December 17, 2009, 03:00 PM
Word is GEN 4 is only an option, GEN 3 is still going to be produced.

PT1911
December 17, 2009, 03:12 PM
That is pretty neat.. I may have to take a look when they come available... it is inevitable that I will eventually get a Glock, but I am fighting it the whole way... maybe these will open the door for me.

Full Metal Jacket
December 17, 2009, 03:20 PM
hmmm the smallest back strap looks exactly like the gen 3 grip size. i don't think this is going to stop S&W m&p's from plowing through the LE market.

not sure i like that enormous mag release either (and i have small hands!)

SC_1911Shooter
December 17, 2009, 03:33 PM
That's it?!

Z-Michigan
December 17, 2009, 03:41 PM
Radical change! (Not...)

HoosierQ
December 17, 2009, 03:41 PM
Not much of a change even from my 1991 Gen 2 G17. Probably works pretty good though.

hammerklavier
December 17, 2009, 04:06 PM
No more cheese grater grips. I might actually consider a glock now.

Oldnoob
December 17, 2009, 05:21 PM
The grip texture is exactly what I want for the RTF. Though the grip didn't seem to be much smaller. To be honest, as a glock fan, I'm a bit disappointed. I really don't think the grip width was the problem, but the "cut" on the corners make it blocky. If they make it more of angular shape like Steyr M-A1, they can get away with the blocky grip.

LancerMW
December 17, 2009, 05:59 PM
interchangable backstrap = copout

C-grunt
December 17, 2009, 06:11 PM
There's more to it than just the grips.

http://thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=480453&highlight=Glock

1KPerDay
December 17, 2009, 06:19 PM
Well, it's still ugly, so that's good.

valor1
December 17, 2009, 07:46 PM
That's it??? The ugliness is still there. Speaking of innovation.

trekgod3
December 18, 2009, 08:02 AM
I thought the Glock RTF was the gen 4?
http://lakecityquietpills.com/photo/multihost/images/76230009270546565787.jpg
RTF= Rough textured frame, also has new slide serrations. That pic in the first post seems a little fishy, because Glock doesn't refer to their own guns by "generation", so why would the slide be marked "gen 4"?

nwilliams
December 18, 2009, 08:06 AM
WOW!

That's so radically different at first I wasn't sure if it was really a Glock.:rolleyes:

Just One Shot
December 18, 2009, 09:12 AM
Yep, still ugly!

(Yes, I own a Glock)

REAPER4206969
December 18, 2009, 10:36 AM
Rough texture frame two (RTF2) is a 3rd GEN option. RTF is the standard 2nd/3rd GEN frame, and the new GEN 4 has RTF3.

Landric
December 18, 2009, 01:19 PM
Looks like photoshop city to me. Look at the size of the magazine release, it looks like a poor cut and paste job. Even if it turns out to be the actual gun, its not too impressive. Glock finally decides to go with interchangeable back straps, only about a decade late.

CWL
December 18, 2009, 01:20 PM
"Perfection" needs different generations?

Whoever they used to come up with that marketing copy should be pistolwhipped with that Glock.

REAPER4206969
December 18, 2009, 01:37 PM
Looks like photoshop city to me.
It's a scan of the 2010 Glock calendar.

Landric
December 18, 2009, 01:49 PM
Perhaps Glock photoshopped it themselves then. Look at the mag release on the RTF gun pictured and then at the mag release on the gen 4 gun. I understand that the gen 4 is supposed to be reversible, but that doesn't explain how it suddenly became huge. Also, the lack of the goofy RTF slide serrations is suspicious. At any rate I wasn't suggesting that you photoshopped it, the pic has been floating around on the net, so I suspected that someone did.

REAPER4206969
December 18, 2009, 01:57 PM
The 4th GEN has an enlarged reversible mag catch and standard Glock slide serrations. The picture was scanned by a Glock armorer from the new 2010 Glock annual calendar. People with hands on experience with the GEN 4 from law enforcement expos/demos have confirmed this is real.

C-grunt
December 18, 2009, 02:09 PM
The 4th GEN has an enlarged reversible mag catch and standard Glock slide serrations. The picture was scanned by a Glock armorer from the new 2010 Glock annual calendar. People with hands on experience with the GEN 4 from law enforcement expos/demos have confirmed this is real.
Looks like the one I handled. The new grip texture is nice.

Ed4032
December 18, 2009, 02:32 PM
Well, it's still ugly, so that's good.

and smells bad too....

REAPER4206969
December 18, 2009, 02:33 PM
Looks like the one I handled.
What's the deal with the worlds largest mag catch?

Coronach
December 18, 2009, 02:50 PM
I sometimes don't get the choices that companies make. You're going to put out a new generation of guns to address the inroads that other makers *cough*S&W*cough* are making into the market. Sure, you want to offer the newfangled thing that they do (interchangable backstraps), but why not address the common complaints that everyone has at the same time, if it is just about as easy to do? And, btw, it is just about as easy to do.

What are the common complaints about Glocks?

1. They're ugly.

OK. There's no fixing this. Besides, like the A10, Glock has turned ugly into a trademark. So, forget about it.

2. The grip angle / Glock Hump is ergonomically poor.

So, we're already tinkering with the backstrap, but it looks like we're just offering the same hump in each one, with varying degrees of overall grip size. How about we offer one without that stupid hump? Hey, maybe now some enterprising third party can do what Glock refuses to do.

3. We hate the finger ridges.

So, we're offering interchangable backstraps, but we can't make one for the front? Clearly we're no Magpul.

Full disclosure: I own a G20. I like it. I even don't mind the finger ridges. But the Hump is lame.

Mike

REAPER4206969
December 18, 2009, 02:56 PM
1. They're purposeful.

2. Only a small percentage of American Glock shooters complain about the grip angle. The rest of the world loves the Luger grip angle.

3. You hate the finger grooves. Most people like them or don't care.

gbelleh
December 18, 2009, 03:24 PM
I hope gen 3 will still be an option. Actually, I wish gen 2 was still an option.

REAPER4206969
December 18, 2009, 03:25 PM
GEN 3 will still be produced.

Coronach
December 18, 2009, 05:03 PM
1. They're purposeful.No argument.2. Only a small percentage of American Glock shooters complain about the grip angle. The rest of the world loves the Luger grip angle.I don't think a "small percentage" of American Glock shooters complain about the grip angle- or, perhaps, you're correct, since many people who did NOT buy Glocks chose other guns because of the hump. I think a significant number of American gun owners, some of them Glock owners, dislike the hump, and some have taken extraordinary steps to eliminate it. This is not to say that some people don't like or even prefer the Glock's ergonomics, or that it is impossible to shoot well, or anything silly like that. It is just a statement of fact that a significant number of people in the market for handguns complain about the hump.

My PD (about 2k officers) recently switched guns. We went with the M&P, because it fit more people's hands, among other reasons (but ergonomics were high on the survey's results). Specific comments lead the ordies to conclude that the grip angle and, specifically, the hump, were less than ideal. Novice officers had problems with natural POA, and accuracy and speed of shooting with experienced officers (as in, they had some trigger time with each of the various platforms being considered) were better overall with the M&P.

They selected the M&P despite the Glock being a better financial deal and the frontrunner going into the selection. Obviously, the ergonomic issues were just one part of the decision, and the Gen3 Glock is different from the gen4 Glock in that regard, but it strikes me that if Glock is concerned about eroding marketshare with American LE agencies, and it should be, it ought be listening to these concerns. It is one thing to question whether or not they should do a revision to address any given concern, but it is another to do a revision and, seemingly, fail to address one of the most common complaints.

3. You hate the finger grooves. Most people like them or don't care. No, I actually don't mind the finger grooves. many people do, though. It makes sense that while you're in there tinkering with the grip, you may want to maximize your marketshare by putting in a provision for switchable front straps, too.

Mike

R.W.Dale
December 18, 2009, 06:34 PM
Wow glock is turning out to be the handgun equivelant to WRA co.


Make one or two products for decades with no innovation. Continue to do so as the competition offers much more technological innovation at less cost.

Go out of buisness and have your name slapped on products made by a former competetor in japan

REAPER4206969
December 18, 2009, 07:00 PM
Make one or two products for decades with no innovation. Continue to do so as the competition offers much more technological innovation at less cost.
What "technological innovation" would that be? Glock makes Glock's, and they sell everyone they make and still are backlogged. You are aware that Colt has made the M1873 Single action army since 1873 to this day and the M1911 since 1911. Why are you not whining about them not being"innovative"?

Magic_Man
December 18, 2009, 07:02 PM
How much more expensive will G4 be?

Full Metal Jacket
December 18, 2009, 07:03 PM
i don't think the Glock Gen 4's will have the intended effect of slowing down the M&P's momentum in the LE market.

the grip changes are not as major as anyone was hoping for. the small "backstrap" is not removable, but is simply a SF size (just 3mm smaller), and the other backstraps simply fit over it.

the medium backstrap is the standard glock grip, and the large backstrap is bigger (which no one wants).

not to mention, you could serve dinner on that humungous mag release! that thing is just screaming "inadvertent mag drop!"

REAPER4206969
December 18, 2009, 07:05 PM
How much more expensive will G4 be?
The new order sheet shows the GEN 3/4 models 17/22 as the same price.

REAPER4206969
December 18, 2009, 07:08 PM
http://lsandwick.com/images/glockGen4.jpg

Full Metal Jacket
December 18, 2009, 07:15 PM
no kidding, i wonder how they can charge the same price with more work and parts in the gun. must be the fact that glocks cost almost nothing to produce. the barrel is most of the production cost.

REAPER4206969
December 20, 2009, 05:21 PM
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REAPER4206969
December 23, 2009, 07:31 PM
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Enachos
December 23, 2009, 08:06 PM
I don't care what people say about Glocks looking "ugly" lol I think they are beautiful. It has a nice "tacticool" look to it.

Also- I'll add- that I really do like the grip angle glocks offer. The hump on the grip is actually what made me prefer it over the Springfield XD40 sc. It's like it was molded for my hands by God himself!

Mp7
December 23, 2009, 08:12 PM
still looks like the AK of handguns.

(only shot a g17 so far ... and i found it way to easy to be enjoyable ...
but in case if shtf ... i donīt plan on enjoying it ... )

HippieMagic
December 23, 2009, 08:15 PM
Looks like they finally included a metal guide rod at least. I seriously doubt a glock costs more than $100 to make.

Mp7
December 23, 2009, 08:16 PM
... and it is a photoshopped image ... like that cosmopolitan cover, ... and those models
look sweaty too, when the go to the fitness range :)

REAPER4206969
December 23, 2009, 08:22 PM
... and it is a photoshopped image ... like that cosmopolitan cover, ...
O'rly? Look up.

CPshooter
December 24, 2009, 03:57 AM
I'm not a fan. The new grip w/ interchangeable backstrap is not only ugly, but doesn't even come close to fixing what *some* people hated about the grip in the first place, which is the hump. I'd definitely take a Gen 3 over a Gen 4 after seeing this.

The only thing about the Gen 4 that interests me is the new dual-spring guide rod assembly. Can you install these in Gen 3 Glocks by any chance?

REAPER4206969
December 24, 2009, 04:58 AM
Can you install these in Gen 3 Glocks by any chance?
No. The GEN 4 slide/frame is propriety because of it.

legion3
December 24, 2009, 06:30 AM
Glock haters swarm such threads. Jingonistic as ever. SW is going to plow Glock under. Well here's hoping an American gun company will be good enough to do so.

2. Only a small percentage of American Glock shooters complain about the grip angle. The rest of the world loves the Luger grip angle.

Yep!


I don't think a "small percentage" of American Glock shooters complain about the grip angle- or, perhaps, you're correct, since many people who did NOT buy Glocks chose other guns because of the hump. I think a significant number of American gun owners, some of them Glock owners, dislike the hump, and some have taken extraordinary steps to eliminate it. This is not to say that some people don't like or even prefer the Glock's ergonomics, or that it is impossible to shoot well, or anything silly like that. It is just a statement of fact that a significant number of people in the market for handguns complain about the hump.

My PD (about 2k officers) recently switched guns. We went with the M&P, because it fit more people's hands, among other reasons (but ergonomics were high on the survey's results). Specific comments lead the ordies to conclude that the grip angle and, specifically, the hump, were less than ideal. Novice officers had problems with natural POA, and accuracy and speed of shooting with experienced officers (as in, they had some trigger time with each of the various platforms being considered) were better overall with the M&P.

They selected the M&P despite the Glock being a better financial deal and the frontrunner going into the selection. Obviously, the ergonomic issues were just one part of the decision, and the Gen3 Glock is different from the gen4 Glock in that regard, but it strikes me that if Glock is concerned about eroding marketshare with American LE agencies, and it should be, it ought be listening to these concerns. It is one thing to question whether or not they should do a revision to address any given concern, but it is another to do a revision and, seemingly, fail to address one of the most common

Nope!

And the Florida Highway Patrol is selecting the Glock 37 and 39 after tests with the SW M&P and the main reason was that in a 38-2 vote the testers prefered the grip of the Glock over the M&P. The M&P also had some issues according to some whispers. The other gun tested was the Glock 21 SF and it go the 2 descenting votes.

Glock haters rejoice!!! A new king in town.

Full Metal Jacket
December 24, 2009, 07:31 AM
new king? not sure 'bout that. i love my glock 19 rtf2, but i don't think the gen4 is going to slow down the m&p's momentum in the LE market.

a lot of folks were expecting a lot more drastic change to the grip (like eliminating the hump), or making it's overall thickness smaller, but glock didn't deliver on that.


instead they release a SF frame version, which is only 3mm smaller and has a funny feel to that makes it hard to get a high grip on. (i had a g21sf, so i speak from experience).

doesn't bother me though.

i do have m&p's as well, and to be honest i like my g19 rtf2 better (even though i have pretty small hands). the m&p's are more difficult to get a high grip on for me (where the web of your hand is pushed firmly up). this is the kind of grip that i like and the glock "hump" actually aids in this. (and the finger grooves don't bother me either)

....but there is no doubt that the m&p's fit most people's hands better (especially smaller hands), plus have equal reliability and accuracy as glocks. (not to mention made by an american company with MUCH more responsive customer service).

customer service counts for a lot with LE agencies. i've talked with local cops from 2 different dpt's that mentioned glock's indifference to any issues they were having, and how it was often a hassle to get glock to admit there was an issue with one of their guns and take care of it. (it seems standard glock policy to blame the ammo, not the gun).

nope, don't see the gen 4 glock slowing down the m&p LE sales at all.

just my take on the matter, my friends :)






p.s.--as far as FHP and maybe a couple other agencies adopting the GAP: this is no more than glock giving these away for almost free in an attempt to save this round from oblivion. same marketing technique they used over 20 years ago- "wow" the civilian market by arming police with their guns. it worked back then, but i don't think it'll have the same affect as far as the GAP goes.

Sapper771
January 15, 2010, 06:52 PM
I got my hands on one of them today.....not bad. The hump in the backstrap doesnt seem as profound as the standard glocks, that just might be me though. The RTF3 feels about the same as the RTF2 , I could not tell much of a difference. The magazine release doesnt stick out very far, but it is definitely bigger and it feels more responsive.
The dual springs looks neat. The one I looked at came with two back straps, a small punch to use to change them out with, and three hi cap magazines. Price was $559....but the store I was in was known for being a bit high. I am thinking about getting one......but its up in the air between it and a G21SF RTF. One thing I did notice was on the right side of the frame there is "MBS" stamped on it (where "SF" is put on the short frame models).

http://i727.photobucket.com/albums/ww276/sapper771/IMG00354-20100115-1429.jpg
http://i727.photobucket.com/albums/ww276/sapper771/IMG00355-20100115-1429.jpg

SnakeLogan
January 17, 2010, 11:40 AM
Thanks for the pictures Sapper. While I'm glad they ditched the curvy slide serrations, I don't like the look of the grip texture. Doesn't seem as comfortable as the current Glocks.

ArmedBear
January 17, 2010, 11:55 AM
Same grip angle that I don't like at all. Same design with the "safety" on the trigger. But now it has an extra plastic piece I can swap out so I can have a more hand-filling grip at the wrong angle?

LOL

I'll pass (again).

REAPER4206969
January 17, 2010, 07:44 PM
Enjoy your HS2000.

Borch
January 17, 2010, 07:58 PM
i don't think this is going to stop S&W m&p's from plowing through the LE market.

I don't think M&P's are "plowing through the LE market". Landing contracts with couple of larger metropolitan agencies and a handful of smaller ones does not exactly equal "plowing through". I know of more agencies still carrying S&W's 3rd gen line than I do agencies carrying M&P's. Not to mention that there are far, far, far more agencies continuing to issue Glocks and Berettas than there are either of the S&W lines.

bk1
January 17, 2010, 09:56 PM
Is the new G21 out yet? I am hoping it is even more slim than my G21sf. I think I would be in for one if that is the case as I love my G21sf otherwise.

REAPER4206969
January 17, 2010, 09:59 PM
There are no known plans for a GEN 4 model 21.

Boats
January 19, 2010, 12:41 AM
Still has the retarded finger bumps I see.

Still a deal breaker.

Sapper771
January 19, 2010, 04:34 AM
I took a trip to an area Police supply store yesterday so I could check out the Glock 21SF RTF2.
The G21SF RTF was very nice, but I already have a G21 that I have dumped a bunch of money into, so I didn't think I needed another.While there, I also looked at another Gen 4 Glock 22. I also found out that the store also had Gen 4 Glock 17s in stock for $397 with 3 high cap magazines. My friend bought the Gen4 G22 and I bought the Gen4 G17.
We are hopefully going to shoot them today.

The RTF 3 is nice. My hands are rather rough so I enjoy the aggressive texture. I think I still prefer the RTF 2 texture though. One thing about the RTF2 was that if you carried it IWB, the texture would rough up whatever clothing it came in contact with. I carried the G-17 Gen 4 for a little while yesterday, and didn't notice it roughing my t-shirt up, but time will tell.

NinjaFeint
January 19, 2010, 05:31 AM
That's awesome. Let us (non-haters) know how it shoots. I am going to be off tomorrow so I will probably check around and see if I run into one.

Sapper771
January 19, 2010, 06:01 AM
Will do

BoomBoom25
January 19, 2010, 07:51 AM
I don't care for it myself. Personally I thought Glock would come out with something better, I mean I liked the grip the way it was. Yeah I was a bit disappointed when I saw that In this years Glock magazine. I'm not sure which I was more dissapointed about. The new Glock Or when Ruger introduced there new revolver. Guess for now its a tie.

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