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MaterDei
November 11, 2003, 08:13 AM
What does it take to stop these no - knocks from happening? These are particularly disturbing for those of us who plan to defend our homes from invasion. We, most likely, will be killed. I know that in some jurisdictions no knocks are banned, how did they get a ban? Is there something we can do to convince them that these are a bad idea? Without further ado...

Sheriff's raid in northwest Harris County nets wrong man
Family terrified by armed officers
By S.K. BARDWELL
Copyright 2003 Houston Chronicle

Rather than netting the suspected killer for whom they were looking, armed sheriff's deputies terrified a Houston family -- including a 10-year-old girl and a man cooking gumbo -- when they burst into a northwest Harris County home Saturday.

Erik and Tyronna Green, who live in the 12400 block of Silverwyck, were shooting pool in their garage about 7:30 p.m. while Tyronna's 10-year-old daughter, Tiera Eglin, slept. Tyronna's brother, Andrew Morrison, was just getting out of the shower; his girlfriend was also in the house. And Dennis Ceasar, Andrew and Tyronna's cousin, was in the kitchen cooking gumbo.

That's when about a dozen deputies with the Gulf Coast Violent Offenders Task Force burst into the home.

"All of a sudden, they were everywhere," Morrison said of the deputies. "Telling everybody, `Get down! Get down! Get the ... down!' None of us knew what was going on. We kept telling them they had the wrong house, but they wouldn't listen."

Tyronna Green said her daughter was awakened by men pointing guns at her and yelling at her to get on the floor.

"It was terrible," Tyronna Green said. "She's not even sleeping now at night."

The deputies checked the identification of everyone in the house, then handcuffed Ceasar and took him away.

Harris County Sheriff's Department Capt. Robert Van Pelt said deputies were looking for DeShawn Ceasar, who is wanted for murder in Eunice, La. Unfortunately for Dennis Ceasar, he is from the same town.

"I knew I wasn't him," Dennis Ceasar said Monday of the unrelated murder suspect. "But they weren't listening to anybody, least of all me."

Van Pelt said law officers in Louisiana called the Harris County Sheriff's Department for help after they received information that DeShawn Ceasar was traveling from Louisiana to the Silverwyck address.

"Our detectives set up surveillance on the house," Van Pelt said. "Not long afterward, a car with Louisiana license plates arrived there, and a man matching the description of the suspect went inside."

So the officers did what they do in such cases, Van Pelt said.

Dennis Ceasar was released after about an hour, after detectives determined that his fingerprints did not match those of the fugitive.

"They brought him back home and said they were sorry," Morrison said.

Dennis Ceasar said the incident had left him shaken up. "I just hope no one else decides I'm him," he said.

Van Pelt said the department is investigating and that it's still unclear whether authorities in Louisiana were deliberately given bad information.

Van Pelt said the deputies involved in the raid denied the family's complaints that they had used vulgar language, including with the 10-year-old girl.

"Of course, they can certainly come forward and file a complaint, and it will be investigated," he said.

http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/metropolitan/2214489

MaterDei :fire:

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swampsniper
November 11, 2003, 08:47 AM
Considering the propensity that many of us have to react defensively, and instantly, it is only a matter of time until someone gets hurt. If they are planning to kick down my door, it could be an educational experience. I am not a criminal, don't expect police raids, and assume anyone flying through my door is a criminal. I am also old. mean and ugly, which gives me a bad attitude about being messed with.
It is likely that many of the reports that come from informants are not reliable. Basing these raids on a may be/might be tip is a dangerous way to go.

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Delmar
November 11, 2003, 08:59 AM
There has been a case or two in which the homeowner defended themselves and in at least one case, killed a PO. He was then tried and convicted:what: and sent to the pen. He was released on appeal to the state supreme court in Indiana, the ruling majority stating he had done nothing wrong and had no reason or expectation of the LEO's crashing through his door.

MaterDei
November 11, 2003, 06:38 PM
Interesting pics, swampsniper. :confused:

swampsniper
November 11, 2003, 07:04 PM
Thanks, just pulled some to make more space elsewhere. I have to juggle things around. Couple of days I'll move some back.

DMK
November 11, 2003, 09:01 PM
"Our detectives set up surveillance on the house," Van Pelt said. "Not long afterward, a car with Louisiana license plates arrived there, and a man matching the description of the suspect went inside." They got a warrant based on that? :what: :fire:

If so, there's a lot more wrong there than a no knock policy.

WonderNine
November 11, 2003, 10:09 PM
Apparently it's much easier to bust into a residence with guns drawn than it is to arrest someone in their car or wait until they leave? The stupidity of police will never cease to amaze me.

Wait, now we'll hear from some LEO trying to justify this claiming that it's easier to collect "evidence" this way.

Standing Wolf
November 11, 2003, 10:57 PM
They got a warrant based on that?

I concur. From what's stated in the article, I'm inclined to conclude the law enforcement agency didn't think this one through very clearly in advance.

Pilgrim
November 11, 2003, 11:02 PM
They got a warrant based on that?

There was a warrant apparently for the arrest of DeShawn Ceasar. Technically, a search warrant is required to enter the home of Erik and Tyronna Green.

The arrest warrant is still valid. Just because they didn't have a search warrant to search the Green's house doesn't mean they would have to free DeShawn.

Judging from the names of those involved, the Harris County Sheriff feels confident the Greens won't retain a lawyer to sue for violation of their civil rights.

Pilgrim

swampsniper
November 12, 2003, 12:54 AM
But, if they had hit someone prepared to repel boarders, it could have been a really nasty situation. Is this why some Cops don't want armed citizens? In theory, I could call in and make up some kind of story that you were harboring public enemy # 1, and with the right judge to sign a warrant, it could happen to you. There are judges who will sign just about anything.

ceetee
November 12, 2003, 09:57 PM
And to add insult to injury, the police have the legal right to bust down your doors, smash in your windows, toss in semi-incendiary CS canisters, cut through your roof, or walls, and in general, do umpteen thousand dollars in damages to your residence.

Then, they get to say "Oops!" and you get to pay to get it all fixed...

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