[MP-5]

Saw a Springfield Longslide V16 45 Super the other day in a shop. Whats the opinion on these as far as reliability and accuracy? What about the 45 super? Not many manufacturers are making a 45 super. Is this an up and comming cartrige? How does it compare to the 10mm? Sticker was $650.00. I thought this was a $1000.00+ gun. Good deal? Opinions, comments, etc.

[Black Snowman]

There was one of these with a tag of around $850 or $900 IIRC. They tend to negotiate there so it would probably go for less. .45 Super has been around a while but I wouldn't call it up-an-coming.
Reloading data from what I can find puts muzzle energy between 10mm and .357 Magnum

http://www.realguns.com/loads/45Super.htm

is where I got my data from. Also has info on upgrading a Kimber for shooting .45 Super elsewhere on the site.

HK USP .45 full size guns are reported to be able to hand .45 super without issues although a heavier recoil spring is recommended.

[Sean Smith]

When you account for the differences in barrel lengths (.45 Super chrono numbers are almost all from 6" longslides, while 10mm numbers are usually from 4.6" Glock barrels), the ballistics are a wash, and 10mm has better bullets available for hunting. Nice thing about .45 Super is that you can get more power cheaply for a .45 ACP gun, and if you don't shoot buckets of the Supers you won't need to modify your gun beyond a heavier recoil spring. As far as "up and coming," not so much... it makes 10mm look like 9x19 as far as ammo availability goes.

The V-16 is supposed to be a pretty darn good gun from what I've heard.

$650 is a great price for it, by the way.

[10-Ring]

$650 sounds like a deal...is there anything wrong with it? The 45 super is a fun round & at $650 would be worth giving it a try!

[Black Snowman]

The data on the listed page I was comparing was for a 5" barreled Kimber and Hodgden's reloading data which specifies a test barrel of 5" (no gun, fixed rig).

It puts the Super firmly above the 10mm, the lowest energy .45 Super being slightly above the highest energy 10mm.

However the load data on that page tends to run on the high side so I'm guessing that the previous statement about the balistics being a wash is correct.

Given that I'd rather have the extra magazine capacity provided by the 10mm round but you can shoot standard .45s and .45 Super from the same gun with no mods or just a spring change, which is pretty handy. Plus, as mentioned it's a good price even if it's used.

[m.i.sanders]

Sean, are you saying that you can shoot a .45 super out of a stock 1911? I thought the bullets were a little longer for the .45 super.

[Greg L]

I thought the bullets were a little longer for the .45 super.

I don't have something that can handle the Super as is (for now) but I do have a bunch of the ammo (won it in a raffle a few years ago). From what I can tell the loaded size is the same with a regular .45 cartridge. The only practical difference with .45 super brass is that the case wall are thicker to handle the larger pressure.

Greg

[m.i.sanders]

Ok, I've got a Springfield Mil-spec, will that handle a .45 super on occasion, or do I need to beef up the internals?

[Mannlicher]

my brother in law gave me one last year, as he had no use for it. I kept it about 6 months, and unloaded it. For me, it was just impractical. I did not enjoy shooting it, and it was darn near impossible to carry.

[MCNETT]

The 460 Rowland is a little longer than a standard .45ACP, the .45Super is the same length. The 460Rowland really roars! The super fits in between .45ACP and the 460 powerwise. $650 is a good price for that weapon!
-Mike

[Nero Steptoe]

Glock 21's handle .45 Super just fine, with only a recoil spring change. Other than for hunting, I see no practical use for the .45 Super.

[C4]

Be very careful talking about shooting a 45 super round out of a gun that wasn't build to handle that kind of pressure. I owned a couple of Springfield V-16 Longslides in 45 Super, still own one and I load my own ammo. I cronoed 185 gr Hornady HP at 1,375-1,400 FPS using 11.1 grains of Power Pistol. I Love It! They say at 100 yards this round has 550 Foot Pounds or equel to what your 45 carry gun has at the muzzle. Shooting a 45 super out of the standard 45 is like shooting a double load and could blow up in your face.

[KurtC]

The .45 super has been around for about 20 years. It is like shooting a .45acp +P+. Only a couple of .45's leave the factory able to handle it. In most cases you need to use 10mm rated springs, including a heavier firing pin spring. A recoil buffer system, such as the old Menck, is recommended.

I've been running a Smith 4546 set up for it for nearly two decades. Works fine with standard ACP loads as well. The .45 Super delivers 10mm velocities, with a heavier bullet and larger frontal area. Win-win. ;)

The .460 Roland is even more power, but once you modify the barrel you can not use ACP.

[berkbw]

The factory numbers for .460 Rowland and ,45 Super are really quite close. A 22 or 24 lb. recoil spring and a small radius FPS make the Super nice to shoot, it does take a little longer to get back on target than a normal .45. The .460 "Kit" comes with a "drop-in" barrel with compensator, which will be nice with a small radius FPS and a 22# spring.

The .460's added length is an added safety feature: you can't accidentally chamber one in your "normal" .45. You can, actually, shoot .45 ACPs in the barrel. I have, just to prove a point.
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