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conhntr
December 23, 2009, 08:00 AM
I already have several pistols/revolvers so i am looking for something very specific. a 9mm full size solely for range use; so accuracy and "fun" factors must be high. weight concealability etc. do not matter here.

im a big glock fan so the g-34 has caught my eye. however i really want something extra-accurate to help me work on technique on the range. something in the ~1" at 25 yards area. the CZ 75 SP01 Shadow Target has also caught my eye. i like the feel of the cz75 as well and think it may be more accurate and with the extra weight have less recoil. it costs twice as much though...

any other suggestions or opinions on those two? im not a 1911 fan so i dont need to hear about those (i know its heresy)

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SalchaketJoe
December 23, 2009, 08:06 AM
I am looking at a CZ 75 Compact right now, though I am not sure which one. I dont want a decocker and they dont seem to make one with an alloy frame and a safety.

19-3Ben
December 23, 2009, 08:06 AM
Go look at a used S&W 5906. You can find police trade-ins for ~$350. They are heavy, very low recoil, very accurate, and extremely reliable.

bestseller92
December 23, 2009, 08:46 AM
The Ruger P89 and P95 would both fill the bill.

wbwanzer
December 23, 2009, 08:52 AM
Witness Elite Match. It's copied off of the CZ 75 so it's very similar. I've had a CZ P-01 and a 75B and I shoot much better with the Witness than I did with either CZ. It is single action only with a real sweet trigger. They can be had in the mid $500s.

http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m145/wbwanzer/Witness002.jpg

The FO front sight was an add on.

StephenT
December 23, 2009, 09:15 AM
How about a Glock 17L, which has a longer barrel than the 34 (6 inches)? If you've got the money, either a S&W 952 or a Sig P-210 (if you can find one). As aforementioned, the Witness Elite Match is a very accurate pistol. However, mine is a 45ACP, so I can't comment about the 9mm...

Motodeficient
December 23, 2009, 09:22 AM
That witness is a nice looking gun

PAPACHUCK
December 23, 2009, 09:36 AM
Sig P226 DA/SA
Beretta 92
Browning Hi-Power
XDm9

robctwo
December 23, 2009, 09:49 AM
The CZ Shadow Target looks like a great gun.

I have a CZ75BD witha 5" BarSto barrel that shoots lights out. S&W 952-2 is very accurate. Les Baer 9mm PII is my favorite range gun, but I like the 1911 platform a lot. The CZ is easily as accurate as either of the more expensive guns, and cost about $850 with the new barrel. I only replaced the barrel because of a squib in a double tap. Bulged the barrel a bit.

All three are full sized all steel and good for 4-500 rounds or more at a session if you want.

I have a BHP, put a BarSto in it and it is not as accurate. Local smith installed it, BarSto did the CZ. The BHP has the worst single action trigger of them all.

CZ also has a tactical sport. I have the older Standard IPSC in .40, which is basically the same gun. Very accurate, Hair trigger.

That Witness looks good as well.

I have a Glock 34 which is great, I just don't like the Glock triggers as well. Not knocking it, I have it in my desk at work for personal defense and trust it with my life every day, just not my cup o tea for the range.

wnycollector
December 23, 2009, 09:56 AM
+1 on the 5906. Great, inexpensive, reliable 9mm pistol that can last for tens of thousands of rounds at the range and keep on chuggin.

Mick3411
December 23, 2009, 10:00 AM
I love the XD Tactical. It has a 5" barrel, low recoil and shoots great. Probably can get them cheaper than some of the others mentioned. It has been very reliable as well.

Mick

ckone
December 23, 2009, 10:45 AM
EAA/Tanfoglio Witness Elite Match 9mm.

It's a Cz-clone that's better than a CZ as in the interest of streamlining the manufacturing this design ended up with less parts to mess up and is far less complicated to detail-strip, upgrade or smith, yet, most importantly, is free of the dreaded CZ-hammer-camming (a CZ trigger CANNOT be made as good as these do to the design differences... no amount of smithing on one can change that).

Use it to annoy any gun-snob friends by shooting it side-by-side to any of their high dollar Ed Brown's, Wilson's, Kimber's, Baer's, etc... laugh at them as they scratch their heads wondering why your $500 gun in trigger quality and accuracy is embarrassing their pricey toys... great fun!

http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f307/ckarp007/IMG_0003.jpg

skwab
December 23, 2009, 10:54 AM
I'll second the CZ SP01 - It's a great, comfortable shooter and it's size makes it a great range pistol. And I love my 92fs - it's a classic design, with lots of available accessories and parts.

Shipwreck
December 23, 2009, 11:09 AM
The Ruger P89 and P95 would both fill the bill.

The Ruger P series is a good gun - but not quite what he specced out above with 1" groups. Plus, the SA triggers on them aren't that great.

Mike OTDP
December 23, 2009, 01:30 PM
For a range gun? How much do you want to spend? It's hard to beat a Sig P210. Maybe a S&W Model 952.

But for range use, I'd rather have a match-grade .22 and shoot more.

distra
December 23, 2009, 01:35 PM
CZ 75B or 75 compact all the way. These are step above the Witness, customer service is good (should you need it), reliable and scary accurate pistols. You can't go wrong with a CZ! :D

http://i640.photobucket.com/albums/uu129/distra/DSCN4707.jpg

ckone
December 23, 2009, 03:04 PM
CZ 75B or 75 compact all the way. These are step above the Witness, customer service is good (should you need it), reliable and scary accurate pistols. You can't go wrong with a CZ! :D

NO, they're not, saying so just means you don't know any better... if you knew, you wouldn't. Those guns triggers are not even in the same league (DA/SA, AND the de-cocker version, you're kidding right...), the only thing close from CZ would be a 75SA or maybe a TS, except they both still have hammer-camming and cannot be made as crisp as the Tanfoglio design will be from the start. I've owned several CZ's, I like them, but detail strip them next to the Tanfoglio design and you'll be surprised... For example, changing to a lighter hammer spring on the Elite Match means knocking out one hammer pin, you need to pretty much take the entire CZ apart to do the same thing including the grips, twice as many parts involved, and hammer-camming will always be present even in their SA designs unless you're a master gunsmith and have no problem cutting sears multiple times until you get one with "neutral engagement", good luck...

distra
December 23, 2009, 03:21 PM
I like them, but detail strip them next to the Tanfoglio design and you'll be surprised...

I'm glad you like the Witness, but I hope you never have to send it in for work. ;)

NO, they're not, saying so just means you don't know any better...

And you saying the opposite makes it so? :neener:

Lighten up, the OP would do fine with either, but having the customer service support can/is a selling point for CZ.

ckone
December 23, 2009, 03:41 PM
I'm glad you like the Witness, but I hope you never have to send it in for work. ;)



And you saying the opposite makes it so? :neener:

Lighten up, the OP would do fine with either, but having the customer service support can/is a selling point for CZ.
By your logic, Hi-Point has great customer service, maybe that would be the best pick for the OP's "range-only 9mm"?
EAA's customer support is bad, that's known, however, Tanfoglio makes the Elite Match in their custom shop and it's a very high quality piece, EAA will replace or repair it if there's an issue, the thread is about "best 9mm for the range", deciding on a gun based on customer service over trigger quality, accuracy potential, etc. will leave many of the best choices out.

I made my comment because as someone with experience with both it's obvious you made your statement while having no experience with the piece your CZ is "a step above", and saying what YOU said doesn't make it so.

BushyGuy
December 23, 2009, 03:43 PM
CZ are excellent but alot of $$$$$ i would go wiht the Ruger SR9 and shoot the crap out of it. if i had a CZ it would be in a showcase of bulletproof glass :eek:

gc70
December 23, 2009, 04:24 PM
You might look at the Sig Pro SP2022. It is a full size gun, built like a tank, has Sig's proverbial accuracy, and has one of Sig's best DA/SA triggers. It has been available from CDNN for $399.

JDGray
December 23, 2009, 04:46 PM
+20 on the CZ75!

distra
December 23, 2009, 07:02 PM
The BHP is also a good choice. The one below has had a lot of custom work and is even better than my 75B. It is concealable and not too heavy, but would make a great range gun as well.

http://i640.photobucket.com/albums/uu129/distra/BrHP011.jpg

Runningman
December 23, 2009, 09:16 PM
If I were you I would take a good look at the CZ 75 Tactical Sport in 9mm for an excellent range gun. It is a single action only. Out of the box the trigger runs 22 OZ - 24 OZ on mine (measured). They have a decent sight radius with the 5 1/8" barrel.

conhntr
December 24, 2009, 08:24 AM
thanks guys most of these are "on target"

the glock would be nice just becuase i already have a ton of mags; but i dont think they can hold extremely tight groups. the best of mine has been the 23 (suprise!) and its about 2.5" at 25 yards benched probably 1.75" or so if you eliminate shooter error. close but not there yet.

the witness and CZ; will they actually shoot better then the glock? if not im not really interested in switching platforms

Jed Carter
December 24, 2009, 08:47 AM
CZ SP01 Shadow, Glock G34 (best out of box trigger), G34 still out shoots all of my stock 9mm pistols. For a true 1" group at 25 yards you need a good 1911 in 9mm, like a Para P18-9.

distra
December 24, 2009, 09:14 AM
the witness and CZ; will they actually shoot better then the glock? if not im not really interested in switching platforms

Depends. For bullseye shooting, the CZ/Witness or BHP may have a little advantage over the Glock. I can shoot my CZ, BHP and G17 very well at combat distance (<25yds). So if you are planning on shooting bullseye, the CZ/Witness/BHP or preferably a 9mm 1911, would be a better choice IMHO. If you plan on putting a red dot on this pistol, either platform will work. For defensive style shooting, the Glock would be my first choice. The G34 is a nice pistol, but if you have a 17 you could always put on a long slide and barrel.

gtmtnbiker98
December 24, 2009, 10:14 AM
If you want an accurate pistol, Sig X-5.

razorback2003
December 24, 2009, 03:20 PM
If I wanted a strictly range Glock, I'd go with the Glock 34 because I already have a Glock 19. I also have a few Glock 17 mags that fit the Glock 34 and are a tad long for my 19...but still work in the 19.

The CZ's look like excellant handguns. I just bought a CZ 452 Varmit 22LR and am pleased with the quality for the price. I have yet to shoot it (need a scope for Christmas!), but you would pay a lot more money and not get a whole lot more gun for the money.

Bohemus
December 24, 2009, 05:08 PM
I like CZ's but purely for range purposes there is no other choice than SIG P-210...

19-3Ben
December 24, 2009, 05:51 PM
If you are purely looking for accuracy, the Ruger suggestion i think would be out.

I'd probably go with the SAO model of the CZ75 for that purpose.

Although, if you can legitimately get 2.5" groups at 25 yards, that's pretty damned good already.

Morgo
December 24, 2009, 06:59 PM
If good accuracy is what you are after you will have to pay for it.
A CZ SP01 Shadow is not too expensive (in comparision to accurate pistols) and would be a good start to small groups, but a 1911 is probably going to be your best option.
My cheapest 1911 that will shoot 1inch at 25 yards is a STI Trojan in .38 super, I hear they run about 1k in the US.
If your not keen on a 1911 then your probably going to have to spend a little more on another design to get similar accuracy to a 1911 that would cost less.
Some other options to consider would be;
Sig X5/X6 series
Sig Sport series
HK Elite, Expert or a Match maybe
Sig P210
CZ Tactical Sport
S&W 952

19-3Ben
December 24, 2009, 08:51 PM
Ya know, I hate to say it being that we're in the semi-auto subforum and all, but if accuracy is the MAIN concern, have you thought about a 6"bbl revolver?

A used S&W 686 with a 6"bbl would nail the fun, accuracy requirement. Of course it's .38/.357 rather than 9mm.

conhntr
December 28, 2009, 07:36 AM
i have a 686+ with a 6" barrel. yes it is hella accurate...

but im looking for an auto. would the .40 version of any of these guns be more accurate?

twice barrel
December 28, 2009, 07:54 AM
I'd also suggest an XDm9 for your 9mm "Range Gun". Shoots great, simple takedown.

TB

dom1104
December 28, 2009, 11:06 AM
In the last year, I bought a P01, a SP01 w/meprolights, a 75 SA and a Kadet Conversion.

5 mags for the P01
5 mags for the kadet
9 mags for the SP01
5 mags for the 75 SA


For right around $1900 bucks total.

I dont know why people think these guns are pricey, I love em, and cant throw a rock without hitting a good deal.

I CC the P01, the SP01 is my HD gun, the SA + kadet kit for the range.

Handguns, done. Movin on to rifles.

The Ten-Ring Kid
January 4, 2010, 10:43 PM
Definately +1 on the witness match

carbineguy
January 25, 2010, 12:02 AM
the ruger p series is way more accurate than people claim they are because they want to make their guns sound better the p series will outshoot the cz easily if u know how to shoot u cant just be a wuss about it and limp wrist

SCBradley
January 25, 2010, 01:19 AM
the p series will outshoot the cz easily if u know how to shoot u cant just be a wuss about it and limp wrist

That's ridiculous. Ruger P series pistols are in no way more inherently mechanically accurate than the CZ-75.

Bass Ackwardz
January 25, 2010, 01:55 AM
I cant believe no one has mentioned the Smith & Wesson M&P 9 Pro yet. Phenomenal trigger, great shooter, and as accurate as I can get.


Bass

atomd
January 25, 2010, 09:51 AM
That's ridiculous. Ruger P series pistols are in no way more inherently mechanically accurate than the CZ-75.

+1. That was a pretty silly statement.

I also don't feel that Glock has a better trigger than a CZ SP01. The CZ triggers aren't the best but they smooth up pretty quick from practice and they can be smoothed up even more by a good smith. It's hard to really compare them because the Glock trigger has a very unique feel to it. Some like it and some hate it. A 1911 platform 9mm has an even more capable trigger than either IMO. I'd get a SAO variant because why even bother with DA/SA and decockers and all that when it's for target shooting? If you can find a Dan Wesson pointman 9 still that would be a good choice. CZ TS or SA Target would both be pretty nice. I like the SP01 steel frame models and variants too. You're looking at some good stuff and there's lots of good recommendations here too.

220slow
January 25, 2010, 01:33 PM
Another + for the 5906 if price means anything. More accurate and shootable than most would think. Just not as glamorous as a Sig or Glock and just about any thing will feed it one.

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