Wich Is ''Better'' Beretta 92/m9 or CZ-75


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sprice
December 23, 2009, 10:15 PM
Which is ''better'' and why? What's your definition of better btw?

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David E
December 23, 2009, 10:50 PM
Of the two, the Beretta. It's still big, but the trigger reach isn't as bad as the CZ.

Better choices would be the XD/XD-m, M&P and Glock 17 or 34

railroader
December 23, 2009, 11:07 PM
I don't have a beretta but I have a taurus pt99(beretta clone) and a cz75sa. Of the two I would pick the cz. The taurus grip is just plain big for starters. The cz grip just plain feels better. The cz also is more accurate but the taurus is no slouch. Both are very reliable. Mark

Trigun
December 23, 2009, 11:23 PM
Oh man...tough choice. I have both M9 and 75B, IMO they are the greatest handgun on the planet. M9 has a shorter trigger reach and smoother action than CZ while CZ's construction is stronger because of all steel. Both can take down in second but cleaning wise CZ is easlier. The over all design CZ won because of more simple. Both has good fit but m9 has better finish but not as long last as CZ's satin nickel. CZ has a bloody cheap looking plastic grip and you may want to replace with a factory thin rubber grip panel. M9 has a better over all build quality than CZ. Man you gonna to get them both.

Trigun

Zundfolge
December 23, 2009, 11:26 PM
More aftermarket goodies for the CZ ... plus I have a bias against slide mounted safeties.

Full Metal Jacket
December 23, 2009, 11:29 PM
CZ75 beats any beretta pistol, hands down.

for those complaining about the double action trigger reach--that's why you buy the safety cz's and not the decocker one's, so you can carry cocked and locked and never have to use the double action trigger pull.

i've had cz's for almost 20 years, and maybe 6 times used the double action pull as i have small hands as well. i have put tens of thousands of rounds through them without a single jam. :)

jackpinesavages
December 23, 2009, 11:31 PM
The Beretta 92s built in Italy are hands down, tops. Smooth.

David E
December 23, 2009, 11:36 PM
for those complaining about the double action trigger reach--that's why you buy the safety cz's and not the decocker one's, so you can carry cocked and locked and never have to use the double action trigger pull.

Except that the thumb safety is not where it "needs" to be for my thumb. Also, if I shot it seriously, I'd use it to compete in USPSA or IDPA, both of which mandate hammer down to start. (in the divisions I'd shoot)

I'd get the decocker, as it places the hammer basically on 1/2 cock and the trigger is nearly 1/4" closer (not counting take-up) than full hammer down.

There are plenty of aftermarket parts for the Beretta, as well as cheap magazines. Retail on the CZ mags are $39 each.

leadcounsel
December 24, 2009, 12:28 AM
CZ hands down.

Slimmer, smaller, and more capacity. Better design. Lighter. Better ergonomics. More reliable. More durable.


The Beretta offers zero over the CZ. It's bigger, worse action, less capacity, thicker, fatter, longer trigger pull, less reliable, usually more expensive,etc.

Deer Hunter
December 24, 2009, 02:36 PM
CZ. Better design.

IdahoLT1
December 24, 2009, 04:17 PM
Its hard to chose. Id say its a toss up. They both have the same reliability record. The 92 has alot of aftermarket parts and cheap mags. 18rd flush fit mags can be bought for ~$20 so capacity is a toss up. Both have an extensive military background. accuracy really is subjective and just depends on the shooter as most of us are less accurate than the pistols we own.

On a side note, i have dreams about owning a Billenium or a 92 Steel-I. I cant say the same about any CZ.

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Full Metal Jacket
December 24, 2009, 06:08 PM
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19-3Ben
December 24, 2009, 06:17 PM
+1. Not my taste at all.

On the other hand, the 96 Inox is dead sexy.

As for the original question, I'd go with CZ for the reasons leadcounsel mentioned.

NG VI
December 24, 2009, 08:27 PM
I'd get the decocker, as it places the hammer basically on 1/2 cock and the trigger is nearly 1/4" closer (not counting take-up) than full hammer down.

There are plenty of aftermarket parts for the Beretta, as well as cheap magazines. Retail on the CZ mags are $39 each.

And Mec-Gar CZ mags cost about $20. And B model CZs have a half-cock notch as well. Not sure why you would want to drop it fully, since the CZ manual advises that the half-cock notch is the place to put the hammer.


CZ hands down.
Slimmer, smaller, and more capacity. Better design. Lighter. Better ergonomics. More reliable. More durable.

The Beretta offers zero over the CZ. It's bigger, worse action, less capacity, thicker, fatter, longer trigger pull, less reliable, usually more expensive,etc.

I agree

Jed Carter
December 25, 2009, 07:16 PM
I have both the Beretta 92fs and a CZ 75B and the CZ PCR, the fit and finish on the CZs need help. CZs are great guns, I carry the PCR everyday, but if I could only have one fullsize 9mm it would be... the Glock G34, or my Beretta 92fs. I only add the G34 in the mix because out of the box it out shoots any of the listed choices. CZ rubber grips feel great but they age quickly. By all means everyone interested in 9mm pistols should own a CZ, Glock and Beretta. If you want to shoot 9mm circles around any of these then try a Para P18-9, but it will cost about $400 more.

NG VI
December 25, 2009, 07:22 PM
CZ Coco-Bolo grips feel great and don't seem to age, I agree with you about the polycoat finish, it wears well, but looks like butt.

KurtC
December 25, 2009, 07:25 PM
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Hawthorne2k
December 25, 2009, 08:17 PM
Well, when Jeff Cooper wanted to make a pistol to call his very own, he chose to base it on the CZ75.

That should tell you something... :D

jaysouth
December 25, 2009, 09:11 PM
Blonds or Brunettes? I like blonds better!

What's that got to do with the tread? Same senseless question. Buy both and pick the one that works best for you. Sell the other one and buy a Dillon Squared Deal B.

There is no objective answer to your question. Get the one that suits you best. What works for me or others might be a disaster for you.

Deus Machina
December 25, 2009, 09:16 PM
It's down to opinion.

In mine, the CZ75 is the epitome of 9mm. I've just never found a Beretta that strikes me. Grip angle, the stock grips on them, the safety (I don't mind frame-mounted safeties, but it feels like it needs moved slightly) and I personally think the Browning locking system is the best you can get.

I really don't know why people complain about the CZ's trigger reach. I have the hands of a a schoolgirl compared to most shooters, and the CZ's trigger feels like an extension of me. Maybe some people just need to find something to complain about, and can't accept mechanical perfection for what it is. :neener:

briang2ad
December 25, 2009, 11:09 PM
Two guns of the SAME era but very different in how they carry.

CZ 75B is able to be carried locked and cocked OR DA/SA. It is also heavier, and a little thinner in feel.

Beretta is lighter, a bit thicker feel, but strangely the DA trigger doesn't feel longer. It WILL come with a better trigger OTB. There are more accessories and holsters also.

But, I think the CZ design is a bit more robust and durable - this will be realized only if you shoot over 5000 rounds in the pistol.

I am a CZ guy, but can understand the merits of a Beretta. All but one I shot have been very accurate, and again, the triggers are generally better tha the CZ. IMHO, the only downside in the CZ is the workmanship on the trigger. (But, they'll still shoot accurately).

1SOW
December 25, 2009, 11:51 PM
CZ75B

Both are good reliable straight-shooting guns.

The CZ DA/SA is more flexible for shooter preferred carry condition. IMHO The decocker just needlessly adds more complicated parts.

The CZ trigger with relatively minor work can be made smooth and light. USPSA Production class does require 'hammer fully down' to start. With the trigger smoothing and minor spring changes you won't even notice the transition from DA to SA.
Note that the CZ 75 SPO1 Shadow (DA/SA) is one of the preferred 'Production' competition guns world wide.

Parts availablity and cost, again CZ.

mljdeckard
December 26, 2009, 12:20 AM
Leadcounsel summed it up for me perfectly. I would take the CZ.

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