Bill Hook
November 11, 2003, 04:59 PM
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,102798,00.html
PETA strikes out against Alaskan Girl Scouts
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Bill Hook
November 11, 2003, 05:01 PM
Moderator,
You know, this would probably fit better in L&P since there isn't a whole lot that's gun-related in this thread. Could you move it?
You know, this would probably fit better in L&P since there isn't a whole lot that's gun-related in this thread. Could you move it?
gun-fucious
November 11, 2003, 05:05 PM
this needs preserving for future searches
;)
Girl Scouts in Alaska Trap, Skin Beavers
Tuesday, November 11, 2003
ANCHORAGE, Alaska_—_Let other_Girl Scouts (search)_make bird feeders out of Clorox bottles and glue together little birch-bark canoes -- Troop 34 in Alaska is learning to trap and skin beavers.
In a practice that has angered animal rights activists, the girls are killing the beavers as part of a state flood-management program.
"We think it sends a very, very bad message that when animals cause a problem you kill them," said Stephanie Boyles of_People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (search). She said the Girl Scouts should want girls to become "stewards of wildlife, not abusers."
Last spring, about 10 members of the Fairbanks troop and their families helped catch two beavers using snare and lethal traps. The girls were taught how to find the animals' dens and how to lay the traps. Working under close supervision, the girls used knives to skin the beavers.
The troop had the pelts tanned and plans to make hats and mittens once a dozen hides are collected. The girls also want to cook beaver meat.
They plan to begin setting traps out again this month.
Alaska Girl Scout leaders said they know of no other troop in the country to take part in such a program.
Officials at the Girl Scouts' New York headquarters did not return repeated calls. But in a Sept. 16 letter to PETA, spokeswoman Courtney Shore said the organization does not promote trapping or hunting and does not offer merit badges for those activities.
Shore noted that Troop 34, made up of 13 girls ages 10 to 12, participated after an invitation from the_Alaska state Department of Fish and Game (search).
"It is understandable why the troop responded positively when approached by a state authority to conduct an activity that is commonplace in that area of the country," Shore wrote.
The state-run Take a Kid Trapping program is aimed at controlling flooding and other damage caused by an increasing number of beavers along the lower Chena River in Fairbanks. It is open to kids as young as 7.
Alaska scout leaders said the program is a "non-issue" in Fairbanks, where trapping has a long history.
Troop 34 leader Dona Boylan said she wanted to impart lessons in responsible game management to Troop 34's members, who are city girls, at least by Alaska's standards. Fairbanks is a city of nearly 30,000.
"Trapping may not be pretty, but the girls understand the seriousness and huge responsibility of taking a life," Boylan said. "They understand that when humans impact their environment, they become ultimately responsible for maintaining a healthy population of the animals they have to coexist with in these urban centers."
Girl Scout leaders said none of the girls would talk to The Associated Press.
"I feel like PETA doesn't have a concept that trapping is considered a heritage here in Alaska," said Mike McDougall, a trapper who worked with the scouts. "These kids are learning more than just how to take an animal. They're learning about ecology. They also got a definite sense of respect for the animals."
The program is helping to curb a burgeoning population of the large rodents, which in Alaska can weigh up to 70 pounds. Their growing numbers are attributed to recent warm winters and a drop in commercial trapping.
"Beavers are a valuable source of education for our young people," said Tom Seaton, a Fish and Game biologist. "Their carcasses can used in many ways -- for food, for warm garments. Almost everything about beavers is good except when they flood your yard or knock down live trees."
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Girl Scouts in Alaska Trap, Skin Beavers
Tuesday, November 11, 2003
ANCHORAGE, Alaska_—_Let other_Girl Scouts (search)_make bird feeders out of Clorox bottles and glue together little birch-bark canoes -- Troop 34 in Alaska is learning to trap and skin beavers.
In a practice that has angered animal rights activists, the girls are killing the beavers as part of a state flood-management program.
"We think it sends a very, very bad message that when animals cause a problem you kill them," said Stephanie Boyles of_People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (search). She said the Girl Scouts should want girls to become "stewards of wildlife, not abusers."
Last spring, about 10 members of the Fairbanks troop and their families helped catch two beavers using snare and lethal traps. The girls were taught how to find the animals' dens and how to lay the traps. Working under close supervision, the girls used knives to skin the beavers.
The troop had the pelts tanned and plans to make hats and mittens once a dozen hides are collected. The girls also want to cook beaver meat.
They plan to begin setting traps out again this month.
Alaska Girl Scout leaders said they know of no other troop in the country to take part in such a program.
Officials at the Girl Scouts' New York headquarters did not return repeated calls. But in a Sept. 16 letter to PETA, spokeswoman Courtney Shore said the organization does not promote trapping or hunting and does not offer merit badges for those activities.
Shore noted that Troop 34, made up of 13 girls ages 10 to 12, participated after an invitation from the_Alaska state Department of Fish and Game (search).
"It is understandable why the troop responded positively when approached by a state authority to conduct an activity that is commonplace in that area of the country," Shore wrote.
The state-run Take a Kid Trapping program is aimed at controlling flooding and other damage caused by an increasing number of beavers along the lower Chena River in Fairbanks. It is open to kids as young as 7.
Alaska scout leaders said the program is a "non-issue" in Fairbanks, where trapping has a long history.
Troop 34 leader Dona Boylan said she wanted to impart lessons in responsible game management to Troop 34's members, who are city girls, at least by Alaska's standards. Fairbanks is a city of nearly 30,000.
"Trapping may not be pretty, but the girls understand the seriousness and huge responsibility of taking a life," Boylan said. "They understand that when humans impact their environment, they become ultimately responsible for maintaining a healthy population of the animals they have to coexist with in these urban centers."
Girl Scout leaders said none of the girls would talk to The Associated Press.
"I feel like PETA doesn't have a concept that trapping is considered a heritage here in Alaska," said Mike McDougall, a trapper who worked with the scouts. "These kids are learning more than just how to take an animal. They're learning about ecology. They also got a definite sense of respect for the animals."
The program is helping to curb a burgeoning population of the large rodents, which in Alaska can weigh up to 70 pounds. Their growing numbers are attributed to recent warm winters and a drop in commercial trapping.
"Beavers are a valuable source of education for our young people," said Tom Seaton, a Fish and Game biologist. "Their carcasses can used in many ways -- for food, for warm garments. Almost everything about beavers is good except when they flood your yard or knock down live trees."
Devonai
November 11, 2003, 05:13 PM
Trapping these fine animals is too cruel. A .22-250 to the head would be much more humane.
Standing Wolf
November 11, 2003, 06:54 PM
She said the Girl Scouts should want girls to become "stewards of wildlife, not abusers."
Barefoot, pregnant, and busy at a sink full of dirty dishes, too, no doubt. There's never been a shortage of people who feel entitled to tell other people how to live.
Barefoot, pregnant, and busy at a sink full of dirty dishes, too, no doubt. There's never been a shortage of people who feel entitled to tell other people how to live.
Don Galt
November 11, 2003, 08:05 PM
Glad to hear there's at least one state where trapping is still allowed.
Wildalaska
November 11, 2003, 09:35 PM
People in Alaska really dont give a rats you know what about what PETA thinks...
WildhamburgerforallAlaska
WildhamburgerforallAlaska
BluesBear
November 11, 2003, 10:20 PM
Dang I thought PETA meant
PEOPLE
EATING
TASTY
ANIMALS
Since the Beaver is NOT an endangered species PITA, whose members are all sheeple, should just shut the flock up.
PEOPLE
EATING
TASTY
ANIMALS
Since the Beaver is NOT an endangered species PITA, whose members are all sheeple, should just shut the flock up.
Langenator
November 11, 2003, 10:23 PM
IIRC, around the time of Lewis and Clark, beaver tail was considered a delicacy.
Wildalaska, can is it still tasty?
Wildalaska, can is it still tasty?
4v50 Gary
November 11, 2003, 10:23 PM
If they're trapping beaver like the old Fur Trade era guys did, I'd join the girl scouts too. Move over kid, this is a man's job. :p
El Tejon
November 11, 2003, 10:24 PM
Animals are for killing.
Glad to see someone figured that out instead of the usual whining and bleating we get!
Glad to see someone figured that out instead of the usual whining and bleating we get!
Bruce H
November 11, 2003, 11:16 PM
In an ideal world people like Stephanie Boyles sould be disposed of as oxygen thieves.
geekWithA.45
November 11, 2003, 11:27 PM
Considering that there is an Alaskan tradition called "The Beast Feast", wherein any critter that can be cooked is,
Considering that the Alaskan state dept of wildlife's webpage on the state bird includes a recipe for it,
I don't think there's much danger of PETA getting any traction there.
Considering that the Alaskan state dept of wildlife's webpage on the state bird includes a recipe for it,
I don't think there's much danger of PETA getting any traction there.
Moparmike
November 11, 2003, 11:54 PM
PETA? In Alaska? I thought that as soon as PETA set foot on Alaskan soil they would explode or spontaneously combust, like an Anti-matter--Matter reaction.:confused: :D
Its just the title that has me giggling.... "Girl Scouts in Alaska Trap, Skin Beavers":D :rolleyes:
Its just the title that has me giggling.... "Girl Scouts in Alaska Trap, Skin Beavers":D :rolleyes:
Bill Hook
November 11, 2003, 11:56 PM
We all know that the Eskimos would be vegetarians if they could actually grow something long enough to harvest. :rolleyes:
jimpeel
November 12, 2003, 01:01 AM
The girls also want to cook beaver meat. PETA can't use their usual argument that the animals are killed for fashion. These gals are gonna eat them thar critters!
Don Galt
November 12, 2003, 01:29 AM
Don't forget the mittens they're making! That's fashion!
But what about the Beavers! Won't anyone care about the Beavers! If it saves just one Beaver!
But what about the Beavers! Won't anyone care about the Beavers! If it saves just one Beaver!
Wildalaska
November 12, 2003, 01:56 AM
Wildalaska, can is it still tasty?
Dunno gonna have to get some!
WildbroiledtailAlaska
Dunno gonna have to get some!
WildbroiledtailAlaska
Mark Tyson
November 12, 2003, 07:49 AM
I guess if these girl scouts were oppressed natives killing and trapping as they have been for thousands of years there wouldn't be such a hoop-la.
Balog
November 12, 2003, 09:57 AM
Yet another reason for Balog to move to Alaska.
spacemanspiff
November 12, 2003, 01:12 PM
you know this thread is positively BEGGING for some good puns...
but yes, it is the high road, so we wont go there. dangit, whens payday? the bushco is calling me. too bad you stopped answering that call wildalaska....
but yes, it is the high road, so we wont go there. dangit, whens payday? the bushco is calling me. too bad you stopped answering that call wildalaska....
Henry
November 12, 2003, 04:50 PM
To quote that great American patriot, philosopher, and rock guitarist, Ted Nugent, "kill it and grill it".
Sean Smith
November 12, 2003, 04:55 PM
PETA are great for unintended comedy.
Ethical treatment of animals isn't a bad cause, though. For instance, it is inhumane to hunt animals with inadequate calibers. Use enough gun!
:evil:
Ethical treatment of animals isn't a bad cause, though. For instance, it is inhumane to hunt animals with inadequate calibers. Use enough gun!
:evil:
Langenator
November 12, 2003, 05:26 PM
Actually, the better quote from Ted Nugent would be:
"I love animals. They're delicious."
"I love animals. They're delicious."
RustyHammer
November 12, 2003, 05:32 PM
Sounds like they need to trap the PETA vermit first!
How do you trap a PETA, anyway?
How do you trap a PETA, anyway?
TarpleyG
November 12, 2003, 05:35 PM
"stewards of wildlife, not abusers."
Hmmm. SOunds like they are trying to be stewards of the environment by handling stuff like this causing flooding. These people will not be happy until all mankind is eradicated leaving the whole planet to the animals and plants. They cannot recognize the fact that we, as humans, are part of the evolution of the Earth, good or bad.
GT
Hmmm. SOunds like they are trying to be stewards of the environment by handling stuff like this causing flooding. These people will not be happy until all mankind is eradicated leaving the whole planet to the animals and plants. They cannot recognize the fact that we, as humans, are part of the evolution of the Earth, good or bad.
GT
Bill Hook
November 12, 2003, 05:37 PM
How do you trap a PETA, anyway?
Bait w/ tofu. :D
Bait w/ tofu. :D
Sergeant Bob
November 12, 2003, 05:55 PM
The State of Alaska is merely "using" the Girl Scouts for their own gains to stem the population of nuisance animals. A good "use" policy.
People who acrually hunt and trap usually have greater knowledge and respect for the animals they hunt than any of the Bunny Huggers will ever understand.
I always liked beavers. I thought wow, cool, they build dams and cut down trees.
It wasn't until I actually went trapping with a friend that I learned how abundant they were, how they can cut down a 20' tree and drag it 50 or 100 feet to the pond, what "busy as a beaver" really means, and have construction skills which man could not duplicate. Things that are hard to appreciate till you've walked on a dam on a small stream holding back a 20 acre lake. They really are a magnificent animal.
I also discovered what a destructive animal they can be. The bunny huggers will never realize that until the road to their house (or their house) is flooded because of a beaver dam.
I've only eaten beaver smoked, and it was pretty good. Never tried tail though. He said he had eaten the flesh conventionally cooked, but it was a bit greasy and wild tasting.
People who acrually hunt and trap usually have greater knowledge and respect for the animals they hunt than any of the Bunny Huggers will ever understand.
I always liked beavers. I thought wow, cool, they build dams and cut down trees.
It wasn't until I actually went trapping with a friend that I learned how abundant they were, how they can cut down a 20' tree and drag it 50 or 100 feet to the pond, what "busy as a beaver" really means, and have construction skills which man could not duplicate. Things that are hard to appreciate till you've walked on a dam on a small stream holding back a 20 acre lake. They really are a magnificent animal.
I also discovered what a destructive animal they can be. The bunny huggers will never realize that until the road to their house (or their house) is flooded because of a beaver dam.
I've only eaten beaver smoked, and it was pretty good. Never tried tail though. He said he had eaten the flesh conventionally cooked, but it was a bit greasy and wild tasting.
Pawcatch
November 12, 2003, 07:07 PM
Trapping these fine animals is too cruel.
That is just plain wrong.The traps that they're using have met international humane trapping standards and have been approved for use in several countries.
www.fur.ca/archives/pubs/comm/novdec2001-e.asp#Traps
That is just plain wrong.The traps that they're using have met international humane trapping standards and have been approved for use in several countries.
www.fur.ca/archives/pubs/comm/novdec2001-e.asp#Traps
Orthonym
November 14, 2003, 02:30 AM
Beaver College has changed its name, is now called something else. Some people imagine problems. What are they thinking?
jimpeel
November 14, 2003, 03:13 AM
There was a college that was going to adopt the name "Juan De Fuca University" but soon came to the realization that they would be called "Fuca U" so they changed their minds.
True story from about 20-25 years ago.
True story from about 20-25 years ago.
BluesBear
November 14, 2003, 04:14 AM
Well Kentucky still has Morehead University.
I used to love working the gun shows down there.
To see all those girls wearing Morehead sweatshirts was great.
I don't think many of those good ol' boys and girls down there care much for the PETA crowd.
Down there Beavers were considered vermin and therefore could be shot year round. They didn't have the real big ones though. A .22 mag could dispatch them quite well.
I used to love working the gun shows down there.
To see all those girls wearing Morehead sweatshirts was great.
I don't think many of those good ol' boys and girls down there care much for the PETA crowd.
Down there Beavers were considered vermin and therefore could be shot year round. They didn't have the real big ones though. A .22 mag could dispatch them quite well.
only1asterisk
November 14, 2003, 05:00 AM
The proper set for trapping a PETA is a drowing set. Too bad they are a protected species.
David
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