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ineedmoney
December 26, 2009, 07:08 PM
dang, i just seen the thread about the fn? that exploded and i seen a video on you tube early today with an ar 15 exploding the same way that one did......magazine shattered. then someone said it is more common with semi auto's.. so now iam a little worried about shooting my WASR and possibly hurting myself or one of my friends. anyone you ever heard of an ak type rifle doing that, and if you have how many different rifles/ which type?

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Hammerhead6814
December 26, 2009, 07:18 PM
Don't worry about it exploding. This isn't a common phenomenon by any standard. Guys who reload and use to much powder, or those of us who have never cleaned a magazine before.

I'm not saying AK's need constant cleaning, but they do need some cleaning. When the moon is full and you hear a distant howl, clean the AK. Then load a couple of magazines with silver bullets and pray your just been paranoid. :D

elmerfudd
December 26, 2009, 07:37 PM
I've only seen one real kaboom in all the years I've been shooting. It happened with a Mosin Nagant shooting Czech surplus that my friend was firing. The round exploded when it was about 1/2 way loaded sending brass flying and lodging the bullet about 1/2 way down the bore. The base of the casing was still intact and the primer was untouched. My friend still has a piece of brass lodged in his wrist from this. At the time his entire face was bloodied as well as his right hand. Good thing he was wearing glasses. The rifle appeared undamaged from it. We had to drive the bullet back out of the barrel and disassemble the magazine in order to clear it though.

So I don't really know if this proves anything, except that out of battery firings can occur with bolt actions too. I've fired many thousands of rounds myself and been around people who have fired more than that and this was the only time I've seen it happen. Now I have seem plenty of bulged cartridges, cracked necks and burst primers, but that was the only bonafide explosion.

ineedmoney
December 26, 2009, 07:44 PM
uh oh i just got me a mosin m44 last week:eek:

nalioth
December 26, 2009, 07:46 PM
There are over 60,000,000 Kalashnikovs out there.

You're worrying over 1 in 60 million odds?

You're worrying about a contractor that picked up a (literally) battlefield pickup rifle that was in unknown condition? Your WASR has not been through anything like the rifle in the video.


You should worry about the lottery.

ineedmoney
December 26, 2009, 07:46 PM
was he messing around with the safety?

ineedmoney
December 26, 2009, 07:48 PM
with my luck i would be the unlucky one out of the 60000000 to have it blow up

nalioth
December 26, 2009, 07:49 PM
was he messing around with the safety? Go watch the video.

A contractor is doing a mag dump and gets a double-charged round. POOF!

Nobody is hurt.

ineedmoney
December 26, 2009, 08:05 PM
i did find an ak

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3OXnX-MBXjQ

justashooter in pa
December 26, 2009, 11:07 PM
the only kaboom i've ever seen in 30 years of shooting (50K rounds of mine, hundreds of K others) was in my FPK (PSL). the 1950's brass case surp failed into the extractor cut and peeled open in an area about 1/8" wide and 3/8" length, circumferentially. the gun was in battery and only fired after i pulled the trigger. the dust cover blew up into my forehead and the receiver swelled 1/2", without coming unglued (it was a weld build done by yours truely on a cold steel solutions blank). the gun was easily repairable, and the shooter was no more than stunned for a moment.

was it fault of the gun? no. it was fault of the aged 7.62X54R brass.

rizbunk77
December 26, 2009, 11:13 PM
AK's used to explode in Vietnam but we had a hand in that one.

ineedmoney
December 26, 2009, 11:33 PM
hahahahaha thats the funniest thing ive heard all day:)

ineedmoney
December 26, 2009, 11:35 PM
i was talking about the mosin blowing up when i asked was he messing with the safety,

Avenger29
December 26, 2009, 11:38 PM
I wouldn't let KBs keep you up at night. Fact is, most often the shooter will be fine afterwards- maybe some minor injuries.

Now, that is a lesson to always wear eye pro. You'll be fine. Don't sweat it.

Dr.Mall Ninja
December 26, 2009, 11:38 PM
naaa your ak is only going to kabooom if you spend 15k and get one that is FA

ineedmoney
December 26, 2009, 11:49 PM
it is almost like FA when i bump fire, i guess i should not do that any more

ineedmoney
December 26, 2009, 11:54 PM
i got a friend that was cutting some branches and stuff on his farm and some how a branch popped him in the face and broke his eye protection...and a piece of the safety glasses got stuck in his eye, it was f***ed up for like 2 months, so there not bullet proof, but who knows it could of been alot worse if he didnt have them on ????

Avenger29
December 26, 2009, 11:57 PM
i got a friend that was cutting some branches and stuff on his farm and some how a branch popped him in the face and broke his eye protection...and a piece of the safety glasses got stuck in his eye, it was f***ed up for like 2 months, so there not bullet proof, but who knows it could of been alot worse if he didnt have them on ????

Was he using real cheap safety glasses or quality stuff? There are a couple of different safety eyeware ratings floating around, plus if the eyewear is weakened or damaged from previous use...

I also don't trust made in China eyeware, that's for sure, and I inspect my eyewear often and replace my safety glasses on a regular basis, usually yearly. Obviously, I'm not wearing Oakleys, but I find UVEX to make good stuff at reasonable prices.

ineedmoney
December 27, 2009, 12:07 AM
yeah he was probaly wearing the cheap crap (knowing him) from work, that we use to just keep dust out our eyes lol

THE DARK KNIGHT
December 27, 2009, 12:14 AM
The AK is not pretty, it is not a tackdriver, it is not something you'd see in a Normal Rockwell painting nor is it the latest and coolest tacticool .223. But if there's one thing it is, is dead nuts reliable. If you're worried about an AK going kaboom, you may as well never touch any gun again.

elmerfudd
December 27, 2009, 12:57 AM
was he messing around with the safety?

When it happened he was in the middle of chambering a round. I'm pretty certain he hadn't touched the safety.

I also wouldn't worry too much about your MN. I'm almost entirely sure this was a matter of faulty ammo. Here's why. 1) It was a bolt action and when I drove the bullet out a few minutes later, the barrel wasn't anywhere near hot enough to cause a cookoff. 2) The primer wasn't even touched. There wasn't a dent in it or a scratch on it.

Absent excessive heat or an impact on the primer, there's absolutely nothing I can think of that the rifle could have done to cause a properly made and undamaged cartridge to fire prematurely.

My guess is that the jarring action of vigorously loading the rifle caused a defective primer to ignite without any actual contact from the firing pin.

ineedmoney
December 27, 2009, 01:59 AM
The AK is not pretty, it is not a tackdriver, it is not something you'd see in a Normal Rockwell painting nor is it the latest and coolest tacticool .223. But if there's one thing it is, is dead nuts reliable. If you're worried about an AK going kaboom, you may as well never touch any gun again.
haha i will take my chance's.....i done bought 4 guns in 4 months

ineedmoney
December 27, 2009, 02:01 AM
i didnt say i was going to stop shooting it i was just wondering so i could tell my friends to get back....lol :D

briansmithwins
December 27, 2009, 06:26 AM
The nice thing about modern firearms is that when they fail (not very common at all with factory ammo) they tend to fail away from the user. Most of the debris usually goes out the ejection port and down the magwell. Small pieces of powder and metal can come back and put your eye out, but that's why we wear eye protection.

BSW

Milanodan
December 27, 2009, 07:06 AM
>"My guess is that the jarring action of vigorously loading the rifle caused a defective primer to ignite without any actual contact from the firing pin."<

A "high" primer could cause that.

Ohio Gun Guy
December 27, 2009, 07:11 AM
In a combat area.....sides have been known to "spike" guns and ammo that the other side could pick up.

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