Is teh Ruger 10/22 far superior to the Marlin 60C?


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cwc5
December 26, 2009, 11:05 PM
Hi. Its been 29 years since I've owned a Marlin 60. Is it Still a well built rifle?
For the price, would you go with a marlin 60 mossy oak camo or a plain 10/22. The mossy oak would match my remington 1100 synthetic stock. Any input is appreciated. Thanks,
CWC5

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rondog
December 27, 2009, 12:41 AM
I have two 10/22's, actually one is the grandkid's, and I'm not impressed with them, jam-o-matics. Won't buy a third.

Water-Man
December 27, 2009, 12:58 AM
It's not superior at all. The Marlin is more accurate and dependable. You can customize the Ruger more if desired.

elmerfudd
December 27, 2009, 01:06 AM
IMO, the 10/22 is only a decent rifle after you've spent a few hundred dollars on it and replaced half the parts. At that point it does outclass the Marlin.

Stock, the Model 60 beats it hands down.

JEB
December 27, 2009, 01:13 AM
the model 60 is excellent! the 10/22 is......ok

REAPER4206969
December 27, 2009, 01:21 AM
I like them both.

[Pb]
December 27, 2009, 01:37 AM
To be fair, I had to replace one 15 dollar part on each of the Rugers me and my brother own (extractor). They are extremely reliable now, plenty accurate.

Whichever you prefer, Rugers require more messing with but have more potential.

DoubleTapDrew
December 27, 2009, 02:00 AM
Are you going to customize/tweak it or leave it as-is? If you just want a plinker and don't care about modifying it I'd probably go with the marlin. The ruger can be highly modified and customized, but by the time you are done you've spent entirely too much money and realize you've replaced everything but the receiver on it.

TimboKhan
December 27, 2009, 02:13 AM
It's not superior at all. The Marlin is more accurate and dependable.

That's an absolutely subjective opinion. Another subjective opinion is the one where I totally disagree with you. I have had a number of 10/22's over the years, and I have liked them all. My first 10/22 is over 30 years old at this point, is bone-stock, and is utterly reliable and accurate. Also, 10/22 rotary magazines are widely regarded as being the best .22 magazines around. Not saying the 60 is a bad rifle, and if thats what you like I am sure you will be happy, but the 10/22 is a good rifle, regardless of the haters.

Uncle Mike
December 27, 2009, 04:40 AM
Is the Ruger 10/22 far superior to the Marlin 60C?

NO!

...and check out the Magnum Research 22LR auto loader.

FenderTK421
December 27, 2009, 04:51 AM
Not sure where these guys are coming from but... I currently own 2 10/22's and have owned half a dozen or so in the last 18 years. Fantastic little rifle. Very reliable, very accurate. Never had FTF issues in a stock gun. Owned one used model 60. nice little gun, but I wouldn't trade a 10/22 for one.

jimmyraythomason
December 27, 2009, 04:53 AM
I have had both. I found the 10-22 to be much more reliable than the Marlin. I had to replace the feed throat on the Marlin which made it "almost" jam proof. Never had a failure with the Ruger. Both were scoped with 1",4x32 Bushnells and both were very accurate. Through trading around I now no longer have either rifle but the Ruger is the only one I really miss.

madcratebuilder
December 27, 2009, 06:03 AM
I've seen good and bad examples of both rifles. The 10/22 is the best selling .22 rifle ever made. The 10/22 is easy to mod and has more after market support than the 60C. It's Ford vs Chevy.

Marlin 45 carbine
December 27, 2009, 08:11 AM
haveing owned both (now own an AMT heavy-barrell w/glass) my .02 is the 60 will group the cheaper factory ammo tighter but isn't as easy to clean as the 10/22 and it fouls quicker IMO. the long barrel 60 has a longer sight radius also (alas my eyes cannot take advantage of this any more). one of my nephews owns a 60 that he has worked over some and it's actually amazing to see him practice standing off-hand on walnuts at 50 paces (4X glass) a man at 100 would be in serious kim-shuuie.

hub
December 27, 2009, 10:03 AM
I sure wouldn't call the Ruger far superior at all. It is a great rifle though just a little different and if that's what your looking for then that's what you should get.

Marlin 60c
positives,

Cheap, you can find one new for just over $100.
Tubular magazine, they are great and reliable if that is what you like.
Accurate out of the box so not much need to modify.

negatives,

Tubular magazines, no high cap for this rifle.
Not much aftermarket for the rifle.

Ruger 10/22
positives,

Resale, even used it retains it's value pretty well.
Detachable magazine, great if you looking for a high cap magazines or if you want to carry several already loaded.
Customizable, the aftermarket is so big for the 10/22 you can literally change every part on the rifle if you want.

negatives,

Expensive, twice as expensive as the Marlin.
Not as accurate out of the box. Probably.
Detachable magazines, can be a pain if they don't work right and if you buy several it is another added expense.
Customizable, can be good or end up being a money pit you will never get your money back out of if you want to sell.

hub
December 27, 2009, 10:08 AM
The 10/22 is the best selling .22 rifle ever made.
I was under the impression that the Model 60 has sold over 11 million since 1960, and the Ruger somewhere about 5 million since 1964.

I do agree however Ford vs Chevy.

jmr40
December 27, 2009, 10:09 AM
I like the Ruger better, but would not call it far superior.

CZguy
December 27, 2009, 10:11 AM
I've seen good and bad examples of both rifles. The 10/22 is the best selling .22 rifle ever made. The 10/22 is easy to mod and has more after market support than the 60C. It's Ford vs Chevy.

While I have a couple of each rifle and like both, the above statement is inaccurate. The model sixty has sold several times more that the 10/22. I'm sure before long someone with the exact figures will come along.

Ben Shepherd
December 27, 2009, 10:13 AM
Accuracy wise, I think the shooter or the individual rifle makes more difference, it's not like ones as accurate as a bolt action and the other is an AK.

As far as personal experience goes with them, everyone in my family has a 10/22, all run very well with either factory mags or butler creek mags. One brother had a model 60. Jam-o-matic, even after trips to a smith a couple times.

Having seen literally several hundred of each on range day during hunter-ed classes, I've noted that the model 60s jam at a much higher rate, and are harder to clear than 10/22s. And they jam with a lot less fouling and crud build up. I also note that 10/22s seem to not like federal bulk pack, they short stroke on it often. Feed them CCI from a factory mag, and they just run and run and run.

The model 60's I see, to be fair, are one way or the other, the either run anything and everything without a hitch, or they jam at least once per magazine full regardless of ammo type.

Justin
December 27, 2009, 10:15 AM
The 10/22 is a fantastic design, once you've replaced all of the factory Ruger parts. :-)

halfded
December 27, 2009, 10:24 AM
Let's put it this way:

I had a 10/22 that I spent around $600 on. Changed the stock, barrel, trigger group, the works. It was very reliable and a great shooter.

I have a Savage Mark II (the wally-world $149 black stock special) with a piece of .22 case stuck between the receiver and trigger group to lighten the pull a little that will shoot (with a very small amount of additional effort) just as well as the 10/22, if not better, at 50 yards. And that's not even mentioning that the Ruger had a 16x scope and the little savage only has a 4x shotgun scope.

The Ruger is gone; I'm trying to close a deal on a wood stocked Mark II as we speak.

No experience with the Marlin; just wanted to relate how much money (while fun to do) can be potentially wasted accurizing a 10/22.

clone
December 27, 2009, 12:33 PM
madcratebuilder: The 10/22 is the best selling .22 rifle ever made.

I think the Marlin 60 is the best selling 22lr of all time.

Quiet
December 27, 2009, 12:41 PM
I prefer the Marlin Model 60 over the Ruger 10/22.

The Marlin is more accurate and reliable than the Ruger.

ronaldo615
December 27, 2009, 01:13 PM
When I took my NRA training, I used a Martini for the shooting portion. There was a Marlin model 60 that someone had gotten from underneath their grandfathers bed years ago that would drill holes consistantly.

I have found that most Marlins shoot very well, this one was just exceptional.

10/22's are great too. I would like to here about comments with the new plastic trigger guard and such. I only have old ones. The ability to change the configuration on it and the large pool of aftermarket and original parts are great too. When my kids were small I bought a take off stock for $15 and cut it down. I found a cheap butler creek fiber barrel to reduce the weight. When they got older and bigger, we went back to the original configuration. I gave the stock to a friend and kept the barrel because I liked it.

berettashotgun
December 27, 2009, 01:21 PM
I bought both my boys 10/22's and don't regret it.
I bought my wife a stock,botl,trigger group,barrel, and serious glass for a complete after-market 10/22 DESIGN.
It is the schnizzle. It also set me back around $800.
I use a Glenfield 60 with the squirrels embossed on the stock. $50 used.
Everybody likes mine the best for shooting, but all of them are decently accurate.

ArmedBear
December 27, 2009, 01:36 PM
Ford vs. Chevy is an apt comparison: neither company is perfect, but only one of them required a huge amount of cash to be poured into it to keep it going.:D

I owned both. I sold the 10/22. Out of the box, I believe the Marlin 60 is a better gun. Mine definitely is. (Over time, I have acquired a few other .22s, all "higher-end" than either a stock 10/22 or a Marlin 60, but I still like that Marlin 60. It's a great little gun, despite it being about the cheapest firearm on the US market.)

A stock 10/22 isn't set up for a proper cheek weld with a scope. A stock Marlin 60 is. My stock 10/22 didn't shoot worth a hill of beans; my stock Marlin shoots MOA 5-shot groups with Mini-Mags -- so a scope on the 10/22 was sort of a moot point. Furthermore, my 10/22 was unreliable. There's a reason for all those little aftermarket parts like a replacement extractor: the factory gun leaves a lot to be desired.

Now some people get lucky and have 10/22s that are better than mine was, shoot straighter, can be trusted go through a whole 10-round magazine without a jam, whatever. But mine was plain annoying. Given that the things cost more than ever, I sure wouldn't buy one new, today, because I'd know that I'd be putting a bunch of parts in it right away, to make it a satisfactory rifle.

hub has it about right on the pros and cons.

One more thing to note: every new Marlin 60 with a wood stock has a laminate stock, even if it's not stripe-stained. I believe the camo version has the laminate stock, with camo screened over it. The Marlin's trigger can be given a home trigger job easily, for free, though mine hasn't needed it. I don't mind a trigger that isn't target-light, since I use it for walking-around varmint hunting more than anything else.

For iron-sight shooting, I have other .22s I prefer for the fun-factor. But if you want to put shots on target for cheap, the Marlin 60 is hard to beat. It's definitely my go-to .22 field gun, with a 4X32mm Nikon scope on it, a great scope for $100 including rings.

If you want to be try your hand at custom rifle building, and you don't care about pouring money into a .22 rifle, get a 10/22. If I ever buy another one, it would only be so I can customize it -- and I probably won't ever buy another one. I'd rather buy an Anschutz bolt with that money -- or a CZ for a lot less -- and have a better rifle for accuracy shooting. With expensive target ammo, semiauto is just a cleaning hassle, whereas a bolt is a pleasure to maintain. You're not going to put 500 rounds through it in an hour, anyway.:)

If I ever get into competition that requires a .22 semiauto, I'm with Uncle Mike 100%: ...and check out the Magnum Research 22LR auto loader.

It's based on the 10/22 design, but built right to start with. All told, you get more for your money than if you buy a Ruger and add everything yourself.

One more note, re someone who has a 30-year-old 10/22 that has always worked well. I'm not surprised. The old ones I've played with seem to be more reliable and perhaps more accurate on average. Objectively, the recent ones, with painted receivers and now with plastic trigger groups, are not built to the same standards as the old anodized, walnut-stocked guns.

rangerruck
December 27, 2009, 02:04 PM
you can get 2 marlins, new or used, for the cost of a ruger 10.22, and both will outshoot, and be more reliable, than the ruger, all day long.

Offfhand
December 27, 2009, 02:31 PM
In discussion of the relative merits of .22RF autoladers, such as here, I often wonder why the TC R-55 is never, or seldom, mentioned. Any reason?

MachIVshooter
December 27, 2009, 02:38 PM
The model 60 is the better gun.

I've seen good and bad examples of both rifles. The 10/22 is the best selling .22 rifle ever made.

As a couple other members have pointd out, that title belongs to the model 60.

millertyme
December 27, 2009, 02:50 PM
I have a 10/22 with a 20" stainless standard-profile barrel and love it. I can chew a dime-sized hole out of a target at 50 yards, have never once had a misfeed or a failure to fire/extract/eject. It's also bone stock with the exception of the Nikon glass atop it. A buddy of mine has an 18" heavy barreled Marlin 60. He can do just as much with his as I can do with mine and both of us swear by our own. Both are great rifles with great track records.

As far as the plastic trigger housing, www.gunblast.c (http://www.gunblast.com/Ruger-1022.htm)om did a write-up on them, including some testing done at the Ruger factory to show the benefits of using them in lieu of the old forged aluminum housings, like mine. Ruger makes a pretty good argument for the change. Like was posted in another thread: Glock uses composite and it's innovative. Ruger uses it and it's crap. It's a trigger housing on a fairly inexpensive rifle. Not as big a deal as eveyone makes it out to be. Read the review and make your own decision.

ArmedBear
December 27, 2009, 08:13 PM
I have a 10/22 with a 20" stainless standard-profile barrel and love it.

AFAIK that's the gun with no barrel band and a stock that fits better with a scope than the standard 10/22. If you do get a 10/22, get one of those.:)

Not as big a deal as eveyone makes it out to be.

That may be, but the standard gun has gone up in price, and gone down in quality, plastic trigger group or no. Look at an old standard 10/22, closely sometime.:) Furthermore, there were never any problems reported with the aluminum trigger group, over four decades and millions of guns. So the notion that replacing it with a plastic trigger group is an "improvement" from the customer's perspective is funny. At best, it's break-even.

Maverick223
December 27, 2009, 09:29 PM
I like the older model 10/22s (like my own), but with the degrading quality (as good as the plastic may be, I like the aluminum much better) and the rising price of the Ruger, I would buy something else unless I wanted to customize it. That said, the Marlins have went downhill as well since they discontinued the model with LRBHO and full length magazine tube. I would search for one of these models (built in mid-'80's). I really like the Stevens Model 87D, due to its unusual (but well thought-out) design and accuracy (at least mine is), but good luck finding one as they haven't been built in decades. Honestly I don't know of any autoloading .22LR that doesn't cost a fortune or is as good as some of the older models, but between the two, the Marlin gets my vote.

:)

ArmedBear
December 27, 2009, 10:19 PM
I have a Model 60 built within the last few years and it has LRBHO. If they ever dropped the feature, they put it back a while ago. (The mag will take one additional round if you close the bolt before loading the gun BTW.)

jimmyraythomason
December 27, 2009, 10:29 PM
I believe the Model 60 has had a bolt hold open lever since 1984. I will have to go out to the shop to verify that or someone else may know.

Maverick223
December 27, 2009, 10:35 PM
I believe the Model 60 has had a bolt hold open lever since 1984.Jimmy that sounds about right.

AB, they no longer have the full length magazine tube, and the model with both LRBHO and the full magazine was only produced for a few years in the mid-'80s (I believe it was discontinued in 1989).

:)

TCB in TN
December 27, 2009, 10:35 PM
I have owned and shot plenty of both, and both have plenty of positives. Out of the box I would say the Marlin is typically more accurate and reliable, but the Ruger is easily customizable (even w/o smithing skills) and can be made into a real tack driver.

When I am asked for recommendations I always say that if you just want to shoot (roll cans, kill small game or the like), then get the Marlin, you want to create a custom rifle capable of match accuracy, or a flashy tricked out toy then get the Ruger.

ArmedBear
December 27, 2009, 10:42 PM
They have a full-length magazine tube, also -- for their barrel length. What they don't have is the longer barrel they used to have.

I couldn't care less about the barrel length, given the accuracy of mine, and 15 rounds has proven to be sufficient. The thing works, and it works a good deal better than I'd expect for the price. It does its part to help keep the local whistlepig population in check, it shoots nickel-sized groups at 50 yards instead of baseball-sized groups, and it doesn't stovepipe every few rounds like the Ruger did.

If I want a longer barrel and mag, I can always shoot the 39A with a 24" heavy barrel. If I want more rounds, there's the AR upper with Black Dog magazines...:D

But here, we're comparing the current 60 to the current 10/22...:)

Maverick223
December 27, 2009, 10:51 PM
They have a full-length magazine tube, also -- for their barrel length. What they don't have is the longer barrel they used to have.That is what I am referring to, personally I couldn't care less about the decreased bbl length, the lesser capacity (which is due to the shorter bbl length) is the issue for me.

But here, we're comparing the current 60 to the current 10/22...That is why I voted for the Marlin...otherwise it would be a tougher decision.

:)

MountainBear
December 27, 2009, 11:25 PM
I never really liked either one honestly. But put a gun to my head (no pun intended) and I'd take the Ruger. I think both are horrible in stock configuration, but I can at least change the Ruger...

madcratebuilder
December 28, 2009, 04:17 AM
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QuietEarp
December 28, 2009, 04:51 AM
We should keep this gun related and not say things like Ford vs Chevy because I will be at the gun store trying to but an old Chevy gun. I would also not buy either of them if they were manufactured recently by Ford or GM.

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