Hi Point .40 Carbine.


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Ghengisconrad
December 27, 2009, 01:40 AM
Tell me everything you know. Blueprints encouraged.

Full Disclosure: I plan on moving the trigger and grip forward a few inches. Information that will help me know how that may or may not be possible is good.

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tju1973
December 27, 2009, 03:41 AM
I have a 995B-- that being said--

HPs are great value for the buck--

1) you are stuck with the grip as is--it holds the magazine through the pistol grip.
2) the 4095 has little in the way of mods unless you count Bushman parts triggers, shork brakes,charging handles, etc..
3) the new TS stock is in the pipeline, but I do not think it is out yet (for the 4095-- it is already out for the 995)
4) There as no ATI (Beretta CX4 Storm clonish stock) for the 4095

FOr all HP info, check the guys at http://www.hipointfirearmsforums.com/

Ghengisconrad
December 27, 2009, 12:23 PM
mya, I think a knife and some epoxy can clear that problem up anyways... I'll prolly make my own very custom furniture for it anyhow, and plan on moving the trigger up a bit, so the magwell may just protrude as an unused portion.

Sam1911
December 27, 2009, 12:55 PM
Hi again,

Just something to keep in mind, the High Point 4095 carbine is listed as being 32 1/2" long, overall. When you finish your bull-pup conversion, it can't be any shorter than 26" long, or it will become a Title II regulated firearm, even if the barrel is still 16"+.

6" is a reasonable goal for shortening a gun. It should be pretty cool once done. Just make sure you're staying legal.

-Sam

Ghengisconrad
December 27, 2009, 02:06 PM
Fo sho! Thats the name of this game. If I didn't care about legality I'de just get one of these:evil:

http://www.makosecurity.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Category_Code=Other&Product_Code=GLR17_440&Screen=PROD
:evil::evil::evil::evil::evil::evil::evil:

but the idea is legal legal legal....

Ghengisconrad
December 27, 2009, 02:18 PM
Question: If i put a collapsable stock and after collapsing it becomes less than 26".... is that a problem?

seanie!
December 27, 2009, 03:30 PM
If I recall correctly, any rifle with a folding stock is measured for length with the stock out. I'm not 100% sure how it works with collapsible ones, but I think you're good. Hopefully someone who knows for sure will jump on here soon.

Maverick223
December 27, 2009, 04:14 PM
If i put a collapsable stock and after collapsing it becomes less than 26".... is that a problem?According to the BATF and my home state it is measured with the stock fully extended (for folding or collapsible stocks). Some [communist] states differ, but most agree...where do you live?

:)

Ghengisconrad
December 27, 2009, 04:20 PM
Minnesota... or North Dakota if need be...

Maverick223
December 27, 2009, 05:01 PM
Minnesota... or North Dakota if need be...I believe you are good to go...OAL is measured with the stock deployed.

:)

Ghengisconrad
December 27, 2009, 05:33 PM
How much would you pay for a legal .40 that looks JUST like a UMP? or MP5 for all that matter. You know, if I could get this to work, I could buy a hi-point for 150, put maybe 100 in materials, and sell them for what? 8, 9 hundred dollars? I will be able to make it look JUST like a SMG, the only difference is the magazine would go behind the trigger....

Maybe I'm getting ahead of myself, but this could be lucrative... Think how much those MP5 clones that shoot 22s sell...

highorder
December 27, 2009, 06:29 PM
OK, now you're smoking crack.

You're not going to find a Hi-point carbine for $150, you're going to put at least $500 into it (if you want it to work and look good) and NO ONE is going to pay a cent for your frankengun monstrosity.

Build one for YOU, because you want one.

Half-assing junk into other junk won't make you any money.

Please continue, but be realistic.

Ghengisconrad
December 27, 2009, 06:37 PM
lol, okay. Just a thought. A rambling worthless thought.

Maverick223
December 27, 2009, 08:18 PM
OK, now you're smoking crack.LOL, unfortunately that is pretty much true. Don't jump in planning to make money off of it, the best case scenario is you fail and loose a little money, but end up with a carbine that you like. Worse case scenario is you build it and everyone falls in love with it and buys one...you make loads of money...then get sued by H&K (a la GSG) and loose everything that you made and the lawyers proceed until they bleed you dry. Always remember that you suck and they hate you. :D

Sam1911
December 27, 2009, 08:44 PM
Don't jump in planning to make money off of itIf for no other reason than that if you do any gunsmithing work (including finishing) for profit, you're required to hold a Type 001 FFL.

But, at this point, that's the least of your worries! LOL!

-Sam

Maverick223
December 27, 2009, 10:33 PM
If for no other reason than that if you do any gunsmithing work (including finishing) for profit, you're required to hold a Type 001 FFL.Didn't realize that...I am the village idiot gunsmith...but have never charged, so I suppose I am in the clear. :D

rfurtkamp
December 27, 2009, 11:26 PM
8, 9 hundred dollars? I will be able to make it look JUST like a SMG, the only difference is the magazine would go behind the trigger....


Unrealistic pricing.

Coharie clones of the actual MP5 are < 1k at this point, ATI Turkish guns are on the market and going 1300 or less.

No matter what you do, the Hi-Point won't be a MP5 or UMP. Even if you get some fancy accessory stock to pull off a 'look', you're looking at a couple hundred bucks to make any profit - see the various Ruger etc dressup kits for your pricepoint.

Ghengisconrad
December 28, 2009, 12:13 AM
okay! okay! It was just a thought! I'm sorry I even mentioned it! Sheesh! Kill a guy for dreamin' why don't ya!

Ghengisconrad
December 28, 2009, 12:16 AM
But you know, the difference is that my final product, anyone can buy. Those clones are SBRs, mine is a Carbine.

but I wasn't even serious anyways.... sheesh

highorder
December 28, 2009, 12:41 AM
Don't get discouraged. :)

You just posted something silly, and some people reacted to your silly thought.

Maverick223
December 28, 2009, 12:52 AM
I think you have a solid idea (now...before, not so much)...and a whole lot of work ahead of you, but I am eager to see the results.

:)

W.E.G.
December 28, 2009, 02:02 AM
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?p=6085370

http://img130.imageshack.us/img130/89/robbery.jpg

Ghengisconrad
December 28, 2009, 10:05 AM
Why would they even make a gun that is so ugly?

Maverick223
December 28, 2009, 12:53 PM
Why would they even make a gun that is so ugly?The styling is an attempt to justify the low price. :uhoh: Why is anything ugly?...Someone, somewhere thought it looked good...but they were wrong, very wrong. FWIW the new models look a good bit better IIRC, but I would get the ugly (cheaper) one as you plan to strip the carbine of the stock anyway, and as motivation for restyling it.

:)

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