Tanfoglio Witness Match


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mm6mm6
December 27, 2009, 01:20 PM
I've been shooting my full size, steel frame Witness (circa 2005) in my local shooting league's Combat matches. I originally bought my pistol in .38 Super, but then I purchased conversion kits in .40, .22, and finally 9mm (since 9mm ammo is the least expensive for me to shoot in the matches). My Witness wore a set of gorgeous birdseye maple handles from Sam at www.czgrips.us and the gun has been flawless in every caliber, except for needing quality high velocity .22 ammo to function well in rimfire.

I saw a new Witness Match on GunBroker and I didn't know Tanfoglio was making them with a tactical rail. I really like the idea of a home defense gun with a quality light attached. I never use the double action aspect of my Witness so this Match looked really neat.

http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q187/mm6mm6/Match005.jpg

http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q187/mm6mm6/Match021.jpg

Two guys at work both want to buy my Witness, so I figured it was time to upgrade to the Match. This Match is in .40 S&W caliber and I'd consider using it as a duty gun as well...if I can ever find a duty holster that will hold it and a light.

http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q187/mm6mm6/Match012.jpg

I picked up my new Match on Christmas Eve and it's really great! The trigger pull is amazing. Zero overtravel. The pull measures just a hair over 5 pounds right now. I think it will lighten up when I shoot it. I tried my 9mm conversion kit and it seems to work just fine, but I'm excited to shoot it. The case the Match comes in is very well made. It comes with a plastic cleaning rod handle that has free spinning brass threaded sections along with a patch holder tip, swab, nylon brush and a brass brush.

http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q187/mm6mm6/Match013.jpg

The Match's barrel is 4 3/4", a 1/2" longer than the standard Witness barrel/slide combo. There is definitely some extra weight out on the muzzle that can be felt.

http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q187/mm6mm6/Match014.jpg

http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q187/mm6mm6/Match015.jpg


http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q187/mm6mm6/Match018.jpg


I really like the two tone look and my birdseye maple handles look and feel perfect too!

My Witness cost me $269 brand new in 2005 from CDNN. This Match was $530. I think these Tanfoglio pistols are of absolutely the best quality. My Witness has never failed to feed, fire, or eject with any of the three centerfire calibers. Despite changing calibers, each slide/barrel combo shoots to center of aim every time.

I really think the Tanfoglio Witness (imported by EAA) is one of the best values on the handgun market.

I can't wait to shoot my new, single action Match pistol!

-Steve

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NinjaFeint
December 27, 2009, 01:39 PM
Congratulations, I have always thought those looked cool. Never seen one with wood grips before.

Quack
December 27, 2009, 02:39 PM
congrats. been looking at the Witness Match myself.

ak-kev
December 27, 2009, 04:57 PM
Wow, nice pictures and write up too. I've been shooting my new Elite Match 10mm lately and loving it!! You did good, nice score. Kevin.


http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p266/james807/100_4142.jpg

steve4102
December 27, 2009, 05:21 PM
Nice!:)
I have a Elite Match in 10mm. I like it, I like it a lot. It fits well, runs flawlessly and is down right scary accurate. I have only been shooting handguns since Jan 09 so I'm still in the learning stage and trying to perfect my shooting skills. I'm sure if this pistol was in the hands of a more experienced shooter the groups would be much smaller. Anyhow, here's what I can do with my Elite Match at 25 yards.
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y17/steve4102/10mm.jpg

Trigun
December 27, 2009, 05:53 PM
Wow great stuff, this gun sell about 1K in Canada which I couldn't afford.

Trigun

wbwanzer
December 27, 2009, 06:28 PM
Congrats on the new gun.
Here's mine in 9. It's my most accurate 9mm pistol.
http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m145/wbwanzer/Witness002.jpg

matai
December 27, 2009, 06:54 PM
Are CZ's really any better than these?

billsnogo
December 27, 2009, 07:18 PM
So other than the barrel length, what is the difference between the regular witness and match witness?

mm6mm6
December 27, 2009, 07:28 PM
Wow! Some great Tanfoglios and terrific pictures and great grouping!

Billnogo: The Match has a single action trigger only instead of a double action. The trigger also has two set screws to adjust overtravel down to zero and to adjust reset. It also comes with an oversize magazine release button, a "hart" or skeletonized/lightened hammer, and an extended thumb safety. The front sight is removable and the rear sight is fully adjustable for elevation and windage. The Match (or Elite Match as they are sometimes called) pistols are hand assembled at Tanfoglio's custom shop in Italy.

The Tanfoglio Witness line is based on the CZ75. I like it because I'm very used to the 1911 platform. I like to carry my pistol cocked and locked and the CZ/Tanfoglio pistol design allows this.

I like that the slide can be worked with the safety on. With the 1911, unloading a round from the chamber requires the safety to be snicked down and off before the slide can be retracted to eject a live round. With the Witness, the safety can stay on while this is performed.

I never had a problem with my 1911s, but I do like the Witness platform.

Plus, the ergonomics of the frame design fit my hands perfectly. I really like the .40 S&W cartridge and having a magazine that holds 15 of them is pretty slick.

Here is Henning Wallgren's website dedicated to the Witness and competition:

http://www.henningshootsguns.com/

Here are two message forums dedicated to the Witness as well:

http://www.brianenos.com/forums/index.php?showforum=159

http://www.czforumsite.info/index.php?board=27.0

floydster
December 27, 2009, 07:56 PM
I have a Witness Elite Match in 45 ACP and 38 Super, they are excellent guns,
I will run them against any high end 1911 anyday.

And I am not just blowing smoke even tho my handle is Smokeyloads.:D

Comon, make my day.

Big Mike
December 27, 2009, 10:41 PM
Nice write-up. Thank you.

WhoKnowsWho
December 28, 2009, 04:41 AM
Very nice. I hope Witness pistols don't start going up in price when people start buying them up...

Craig M. Arnold
December 28, 2009, 10:52 PM
I owned my Elite Match in 45acp for some time now. It is my opinion that the Match is one of the very best deals in handguns. It will shoot with pistols that cost three or four times as much.

Best regards.


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v480/cmarnold7/IMG_0002-1.jpg

The Ten-Ring Kid
December 28, 2009, 11:21 PM
I just picked up my witness match in 9mm on the 22nd and went straight to the range. i bought it on kind of a whim with not much research. Shot just a little low, but once i fixed the sights it was a tack driver. Looooove it. So did my friends that went to the range with me. One of them even went straight to the gun counter and bought one of his own. Kinda off topic, but i couldn't be happier with this purchase.

NinjaFeint
December 29, 2009, 12:55 AM
I put my fingers on one of these today. I really wanted one back in July when I was looking for a full size but there were none to be found. I still think it is a great gun and considered purchasing it but I had just enough money to get a carry gun with me.

Philo_Beddoe
December 29, 2009, 01:20 AM
Are CZ's really any better than these?



Tanfoglio isnt the problem, its EAA customer service.

Tanfoglio makes a nice gun, EAA ruins it with horrible customer service.

I dont think I have read a single postive thing about EAA customer service.

That is what keeps me away and going back to CZ.

ReloaderFred
December 30, 2009, 12:28 AM
I own about half a dozen Witness pistols, with extra top ends for calibers they don't offer. I've had some of these pistols for over 12 years, and I've only called EAA once, because I wanted a barrel and they were the only source at that time. Other than that, I've never needed to use their customer service, since I haven't had any problems with the guns that I couldn't fix myself in a couple of minutes.

I have had two run-ins with Paul Richter at the SHOT Shows. He probably didn't get along with his dog, cat, sister, brother mother, father, or any other human being while growing up, and has gotten worse with age. He was so bad, that other employees of EAA apologized to me for his behavior after he walked away.

With that said, I will buy a Witness Match in .38 Super this coming year, and I'll probably order it at the SHOT Show next month. I don't expect to have to use EAA's customer service, so that has no influence on me when it comes to purchasing something I desire.

Hope this helps.

Fred

jfh
December 30, 2009, 08:22 AM
...but I haven't been to the SHOT show nor met or spoken with Paul Richter.

I currently own just a 10mm Elite Match, c/w a .22LR switch top. In the past, I've had a SS 45ACP and a .40 S&W Carry Comp package. The Carry Comp was outfitted with a second barrel and strikes me as the perfect Commander-type.

FYI--another thread about an Elite Match is here (http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=331213).

Jim H.

Tropical Buzz
December 31, 2009, 06:56 PM
Nice gun and beautiful pics. What are the holster options for the Match with the rail?

JTQ
December 31, 2009, 09:08 PM
Do all the new Witness Match pistols come with the rail?

1SOW
December 31, 2009, 09:10 PM
Nice looking gun and good write-up.

I'm a CZ shooter and like it, but it sounds like you got a gun comparable to the CZ Shadow with custom work for half the price. I'd sure like a chance to pull the trigger on the 9mm version.

Is this on the "Production" list for USPSA/IPSC? ---- I can check

klcmschlesinger
December 31, 2009, 09:13 PM
Does the match have Polygonal rifling? So no lead if it does?

hexidismal
December 31, 2009, 11:33 PM
mm6mm6: Nice pictures. I have a picture request. Could you maybe get a nice close up shot of the slide to frame fit at the rear of the gun ?
Something like this one (not my pic, just using as an example)
http://media.photobucket.com/image/slide%20frame%20fit/PlayboyPenguin/SlideFit.jpg
If you get around to it, I'd surely appreciate it.


It's an area rarely photographed on the guns I'm interested in, but also often a good indicator area of a how clean the tooling is on a build.

mm6mm6
January 1, 2010, 10:15 AM
I believe the Witness Match has only come with the picatiny rail for just under a year now. I'm not sure if they all come with it now or if they can be had without the rail.

The Witness has standard rifling, not polygonal. Shoot all the lead you wish!

Hexidismal: Your wish is my command. I believe that is a Dan Wesson Commander Bobtail in the pic you linked to. I have one of them. The slide to frame fit is amazing. But so is the Witness Match's! When racking the slide back and forth without the magazine in the gun, I can feel how handfitted the slide to frame is on my Match. It's an amazing sound as the steel on steel glides back and forth. Shaking the gun side to side is silent. Grasping the slide and trying to move it back and forth laterally on the frame is like trying to pry apart a slab of granite. There is zero movement!

I showed my Witness to a bunch of guys at work. Everyone smiled when pressing the trigger. Everyone was impressed with the quality. Then I told them the price was $530 and they were amazed!

http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q187/mm6mm6/Witness002.jpg

http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q187/mm6mm6/Witness003.jpg

hexidismal
January 1, 2010, 11:51 AM
mm6mm6: Thanks, that was exactly what I wanted to see. As promised above, I do in fact appreciate it. :)

I've been interested in the witness match for awhile. I wasn't aware of the newer railed models before this thread however, and it does make the gun even more appealing to me. For some time now my plan for my next buy has been a CZ SP-01. Problem is that due to financial setbacks, and the state of the economy in general I suppose, the year of 2009 saw me selling a few guns and certainly not buying. I knew also that I wanted to convert said imaginary future SP-01 to an SAO config. Which of course meant, even though I could do the installation work myself, I'd have to sink even more money into it.
The point of all this is that it now seems to me that with the witness match already having the trigger features I want, and now with the inclusion of the accessory rail, that I can have everything I want in a modified CZ at a price point possibly slightly below what the CZ base gun would have cost.
Thanks for your write up, and again for filling my pic request.

mm6mm6
January 1, 2010, 12:05 PM
Glad to help and I am on your same wave length as to your reasoning.

I really think the Witness and the Match especially are amazingly fantastic guns for the price. Bang for the buck if you will.

Many of us can get fixated on the "numbers" (like trigger pull weight, overal gun weight, blah blah blah), but how it shoots is the real test.

This gun doesn't jam, doesn't misfire, and it hits the center right out of the (rather nice) box. The groups are tight too. Not much more to ask for!

wbwanzer
January 1, 2010, 12:45 PM
I had been thinking and researching 1911s real hard, but decided to get the Witness Match instead. I believe they are successful in competition here and in Europe. In my research I've also run across more than one person who said the Witness outperformed their much more expensive 1911s. I've never owned a 1911, but my Witness out shoots all my other nines, at least in my hands.

techmike
January 1, 2010, 01:24 PM
You guys are killing me. I've been trying for weeks to talk myself out of a Witness in 10mm. I have a feeling that as soon as I see one in a local shop my willpower will break and it will come home with me.

mm6mm6
January 1, 2010, 02:48 PM
techmike: You're killing ME! My Witness is in .22, 9mm, .38 Super, and .40 calibers. I do not need a .45, I have too many .45's already!

But I do not have a 10mm. I do not need a 10mm. I need a 10mm like a hole in the head...from a 10mm!

But I want a 10mm! Every since the Dornhaus & Dixon Bren Ten was carried and shot by Don Johnson as Sonny Crocket in Miami Vice, I've wanted one. There's no way I would try to afford a real Bren Ten, let alone shoot one (of course some would even say they still don't shoot!) if I could even get one.

But the Witness in 10mm is truly a fully functional version of the Bren Ten.

Man, I could let my stubble grow for three days, put on my Ray Ban Wayfarers, my white sport coat, salmon colored shirt, and my Jackass shoulder rig....

http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q187/mm6mm6/Miami_Vice_Gun.jpg

techmike
January 1, 2010, 03:16 PM
But I want a 10mm! Every since the Dornhaus & Dixon Bren Ten was carried and shot by Don Johnson as Sonny Crocket in Miami Vice, I've wanted one. There's no way I would try to afford a real Bren Ten, let alone shoot one (of course some would even say they still don't shoot!) if I could even get one.

But the Witness in 10mm is truly a fully functional version of the Bren Ten.

Man, I could let my stubble grow for three days, put on my Ray Ban Wayfarers, my white sport coat, salmon colored shirt, and my Jackass shoulder rig....

I see that you totally understand my case of 10mm Witness gun lust. I wonder of there is a support group?

ReloaderFred
January 1, 2010, 04:04 PM
I have several Witnesses in 10mm. Also all the other calibers offered by Tanfoglio, plus a couple that they don't offer. It's one of the most versatile handgun formats on the market.

Hope this helps.

Fred

sqlbullet
January 1, 2010, 06:08 PM
My wife was reading this thread over my shoulder. She and I both shoot 10mm. She commandeered my Elite Match at the first range outing with it.

Her comment?

"What does he mean he doesn't need a 10mm? Everyone needs a 10mm! They must have small hands if they don't want a 10mm."

I love my wife.

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