[CommonSense]

Here's why CCW is so scary to many in Wisconsin. This nut wrote to the Journal Sentinel without even reading the proposed bill. And my guess if that the Journal only printed it to prove that some people are off their rocker:

Gee, who knew we had an option?
It has come to my attention that I have more rights than I previously knew I had ("Many sheriffs would try to opt out of weapons law," Nov. 10). Therefore, some of us have made a decision to opt out of several of the laws set forth by the Wisconsin Legislature.

We do not want to follow the 0.08 blood-alcohol standard for legal intoxication. We believe problem drinkers will not abide by this law, so it is basically worthless, even if the sheriff's departments like it.

We have also decided that because state and local government can't control spending, we will opt out of paying our taxes. We also will opt out of following any rules by the Department of Natural Resources on fish size and amount. We like our fish small because they fry up better, and more are needed for a big batch.

Until we read this article, we did not know that if one is not in favor of a law that is passed one could just opt out. The sheriff's departments were steps ahead of us on this. They are not in favor of the good people of the state carrying concealed weapons. Therefore, if the law is passed, they can just opt out.

That is what is so great about America.

John Baker
Mukwonago

[Standing Wolf]

Well said, Common Sense!

[CommonSense]

Thanks, Standing Wolf: The people of Wisconsin shouldn’t be judged on this one dork. Sadly, I’m sure some anti found it was well. Maybe everyone will be happy when yet another kid is killed while trying to make an after-hours bank deposit. And the anti’s and pro’s will blame each other. In the end though, the kid didn’t stand a fighting chance because of all the politics. Let’s see how many other citizens “our” representatives are willing to slaughter before they themselves grow up. Sorry… this is hitting to close to home.

[Monkeyleg]

CommonSense, you and I have agreed to disagree on aspects of this legislation.

But you hit it right on the head with regard to this letter to the editor. He's the fruitcake, and therefore gets the attention.

At the September 9th rally in Madison, the press was out in full force. We had asked everyone to dress as though they were going to church. Most did. But, who did the TV reporters and camera crew seek out? The guy in bug-spattered motorcycle leathers and shoulder-length hair.

It doesn't matter that the guy knows the issues, or that he knows the politics going on. What mattered to the TV crew is that he was the stereotypical gunowner.

[Strings]

>At the September 9th rally in Madison, the press was out in full force. We had asked everyone to dress as though they were going to church. Most did. But, who did the TV reporters and camera crew seek out? The guy in bug-spattered motorcycle leathers and shoulder-length hair.

It doesn't matter that the guy knows the issues, or that he knows the politics going on. What mattered to the TV crew is that he was the stereotypical gunowner.<

IIRC, *I* resembled that remark that day! And I sure don't remember any news coverage of me. Or did I black out or something? ;)

[Monkeyleg]

Oh, Hunter Rose, you flatter yourself when it comes to looking like an anti-culture icon. ;)

No, it was Tony--good friend of Zien's and the quintessential biker--who got interviewed.

Next time, if they're looking for a long-haired ex-Navy heathen with sixty million girlfriends, I'll tell them to talk to you. :D

[Strings]

>Next time, if they're looking for a long-haired ex-Navy heathen with sixty million girlfriends, I'll tell them to talk to you. <

Why you... you... grrr... GO SHAVE YOUR LEG, OR SOMETHING!!!

;)

[Monkeyleg]

"Why you... you... grrr... GO SHAVE YOUR LEG, OR SOMETHING!!!"

Welly, well, well! Are you telling me, me bratty, to take a britva to my noga just to give a show to the malchicks, or that I should use the britva just for a dvetchka?

[CommonSense]

Monkeyleg: We seem to agree it needs to pass. We just don’t seem to agree about the bill’s impact on business.

Aside from that, if partisan politics weren’t involved that poor kid that was making the bank deposit a couple of weeks ago might have stood a chance. I’m just really tired of the BS if you haven’t been able to pick that up.

Yeah.. The “humor meter” doesn’t exist anymore. Sorry. I’ve had to deal with many that were hurt.

[Monkeyleg]

CommonSense, this has never really been an issue of self-defense versus no self-defense, with the exception of a very few die-hards like myself (and Hunter Rose and others). It has been, as you describe, an issue of politics more than anything else.

Why should that be a surprise? Senator Chuck Chvala--not exactly known for being in favor of anything that would remotely favor gun owners--had a stranglehold on the state senate for eight years. If you think the term "stranglehold" is strong, wait until you hear the terms the federal prosecutors use to describe his reign of terror during his arraignment for federal money-laundering charges. And that's after the state finsishes up with him on 20 felony counts including extortion.

On the other side of the aisle, it's no secret that Republicans use gunowners in elections, and hold out the "carrot" right before the election season. I believe that we could have had this bill passed last year, but that certain partisans wanted to use it in the election cycles.

The kid making the bank deposit hasn't been the only victim of this CCW stalemate, and you and I both know that. It's a pity the public hasn't been "told" to view the issue that way.

I'm at least as tired of the BS as you are, and maybe even a bit moreso. When I'm told why this-or-that vote went the way it did, I'm no longer shocked. What I would love is to have the public know the illegal deals that are made to get the legislative votes. Even if Chuck Chvala and Scott Jensen were in jail, the illegal dealings would continue.

[JonnyB]

CommonSense (You call yourself that, but display little of it):

Calling this guy a "nut" is a bit over the top, I'd say. He sees it the way it is - the legislature passes a new law, but... If a CLEO disagrees with the new law, they're free to ignore (or 'opt out' of) it.

The writer goes on to use examples of us, as regular citizens attempting to do the same thing.

There's nothing 'nutty' about the writer. He disagrees with you. Or, rather, you disagree with him. Even with statists - you seem a lot like one - in charge, this is allegedly still a free country. Your freedom to disagree is recognized. I can't align myself with you, but you're free to express your opinion, just like the "nut" you dismissed.

JB

[Cooter Brown]

Wisconsin Concealed Carry
The CC Bill has passed the legislature and on the way to Gov. Doyle's desk. If you want this legislation to be LAW, contact Gov. Doyle NOW, and also make sure your assembly-person and senator-person hear from you to be set to override the Governor's expected veto. Email, write, fax or telephone.


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[AJ Dual]

That letter was a sarcastic argument in our favor, bashing the whining sherriffs who are trying to deep-six CCW. I didn't think it was anti at all.

Now granted the sherriffs are actually following the law by requesting opt-out since it was written that way, but the principle still stands.

Why is he a nut?

Perhaps he wrote it too satirically and people aren't getting the gist of what he meant?

[Cooter Brown]

In Wisconsin they are not slaves or employees of the County Board. They have a great deal of independent discretion. A call to your sheriff in support will be a good thing.

[Strings]

At the Calumet County board meeting where CCW was discussed, the Sherrif was one of the few who had any intelligent points to make: he was concerned about the training requirements and cost of background checks, and curious about the banned locations. The rest of the board, however, was a bunch of crochity old men whose arguements against boiled down to "I can't control myself" and "I don't like it", both of which were presented as reasons why CCW shouldn't be allowed...

[CommonSense]

JonnyB: Thanks for your thoughts. ROFL! Let’s see: John Baker is the nut in question and your handle is JonnyB. It couldn’t be the same person babbling twice – could it?

At any rate, if nothing else, you made me laugh tonight. Thanks!

[CommonSense]

AndewWalkowiak: The fact that you’re asking why he is a nut means I can’t help you. Sorry.

[JonnyB]

Sorry, CS, I'm not John Baker, nor do I play him on TV.

I have the distinct impression that you're one of the anti-carry members of the Wisconsin state assembly, or a lobbyist for them. Your posts here are generally of the 'troll' nature. You come to a pro-gun forum, make anti-gun statements, and are amazed that you hear objections? Go figure.

Anyway, I've been around for a while, both here and at The Firing Line. If the same is true of you, you've changed 'handle'.

Jon (no H) B. - 'babbling', again

[MicroBalrog]

So why is this guy a nut? Can you please explain, CS? If you can't, than you've just called someone a nut for no reason.:D

[CommonSense]

JonnyB and MicriBalrog: Okay. Since you don’t want to take the time to read what he wrote, he implied that all state laws would no longer apply if a sheriff opts out under this bill. Further, he sent it to the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel’s editors, a very liberal and anti-gun newspaper.

Now, if you can’t figure out why I stated he was a nut, I can’t help you.

[CommonSense]

JonnyB: I’ve clearly stated that I believe a person should have a right to CCW. I’ve also clearly stated that a property owners rights should come first.

On the other hand, you claim you know how to read, yet prove in your posts otherwise. You claimed to have read my other posts. I feel that I have clearly stated my position on the manner in detail. Just to prove you can’t read, you babble on to say that I’ve made anti-gun statements.

Finally, I don’t even know what “The Firing Line” is.

After enjoying your posts, calling me a troll has REALLY hurt my feelings. How I’ll sleep tonight is now in question.

[CommonSense]

Cooter Brown: I’m sorry for not posting my support for the recommendations you’ve posted. You’re obviously a very wise individual.

[sturmruger]

From what I can gather CS it looks like you are Pro 2A, but you more weight in the right of law abiding property owners. I believe that property rights is an important issue, but I believe that the right to self defense is more important.

[CommonSense]

sturmruger: Thank you for your post. You are correct that I believe a property or business owner should have the final say with the force of law on their side. I also believe that people should have the right to carry a concealed weapon where allowed.

My only issue is who should have the final say – The State or The Owner? I don’t believe in Socialism through mandates. Let free enterprise continue. If the State wants to run a business that is not in agreement, buy them out.