m1 sighting options on scout rail


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memphisjim
December 28, 2009, 03:10 AM
ok im curious about the options for the scout hand guard rail they make for a garand

any optic will need a long eye relief

im familiar with the red dot 1x options

what i want to know is much magnification can you get on a scout rail?

also do these options come with an illuminated reticle?

thanks

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memphisjim
December 28, 2009, 07:07 AM
i mean extended eye relief by scout scope

SharpsDressedMan
December 28, 2009, 09:52 AM
The big advantage of the Scout scope is not only precision, but speed. If you go over 3x, you start to slow yourself down considerably, and can't use both eyes easily, if you shoot that way. There are some intermediate scopes, Burris comes to mind, that are/were made in higher magnification, and would work, but it becomes that compromise. What do you want your rifle to do with Scout optic?

PGNHAWK
December 28, 2009, 10:06 AM
I have the Leupold 2.5x Scout Scope on my M1A Scout. It's beautiful and bright.
It's only 2.5x, so sighting in on a small target even at 100 yards is tricky. But it allows you to keep both eyes open when viewing down the rifle.

memphisjim
December 28, 2009, 03:06 PM
i want long distance range without altering the rifle
2.5x is not enough for that purpose
is there anything much stronger?

highorder
December 28, 2009, 03:12 PM
Leupold makes a 2.5x, 4x, and a 6x scout scope.

memphisjim
December 28, 2009, 07:08 PM
6x sounds pretty good
does your eye have to be a set distance from the scope?

highorder
December 28, 2009, 07:35 PM
My mistake. Leupold currently offers one scout scope, the FX-II 2.5x28mm IER Scout. (http://www.leupold.com/hunting-and-shooting/products/scopes/fx-ii-riflescopes/fx-ii-2-5x28mm-ier-scout/)

It has 9.3" of eye relief.

memphisjim
December 28, 2009, 07:44 PM
what magnification does nthat give you?> 2.5?

highorder
December 28, 2009, 07:56 PM
2.5x is about all you get. Burris makes a 2.75x.

memphisjim
December 28, 2009, 07:58 PM
is that with illuminated reticle?

highorder
December 28, 2009, 08:03 PM
No.

http://www.burrisoptics.com/special1.html#2x

dmazur
December 28, 2009, 08:22 PM
Burris makes a 2-7X scope for handgun use. Eye relief is 10-14 in, which should work with it on the Garand scout mount.

http://www.burrisoptics.com/handgun1.html#2x7x

I've had some pretty good results with an Eotech with the 1MOA dot, on a Garand scout mount. This is much better than the iron sights. I haven't tried it past 200 yds, yet, but I think it would be OK.

memphisjim
December 28, 2009, 08:27 PM
wow that looks nice is there any reason the 3x-=12x wouldnt work?

SharpsDressedMan
December 28, 2009, 08:33 PM
Are you planning on using the scope as a spotting optic, or just need to hit things with it? If just shooting long range, remember that a person can shoot a 12" circle at 1000 yards with iron sights, so a 2.5x optic should allow you to do some darn fine shooting on any game size target at 600 yards or less................:)

memphisjim
December 28, 2009, 08:59 PM
more just wanting a do it all rifle i like the garand
and would like a powerful scope for accurate long range shooting if necessary

dmazur
December 29, 2009, 02:42 AM
The 3-12X Burris seems to have similar eye relief, so (assuming you can fit the scope on the mount at an appropriate distance) it should work as well as the 2-7X. You're going to need 10" mimimum eye relief, the way I read it.

If you get QD mounts, you may have a "do it all" rifle. Remove the scope and use iron sights for close range, scope for longer range. The scope pretty much doesn't work at close range-both eyes open unless it is around 1X or so.

memphisjim
December 29, 2009, 03:45 AM
2x or 3x shouldnt be bad up close should it?

dmazur
December 29, 2009, 10:23 AM
Re: variable scopes -

Yes, a 2-7X or 3-12X scope offers versatility, and this doesn't change when it is mounted in a forward position. Low power for "brush shots" at closer range, high power for longer shots.

What isn't going to happen (IMO) is the "both eyes open" quick aquisition that red-dots or other 1X scopes can offer.

Considering the Garands "pointability" and overall length, this may not be a significant factor...it isn't exactly a close-quarters weapon.

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