Century AK 47 Bullpup


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JTH
December 28, 2009, 12:27 PM
Need some opinions on this particular design on function and durabilty. Or is it a cool looking POS. Having to reroute the trigger that uses a cable to function has me thinking.

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briansmithwins
December 28, 2009, 01:51 PM
CAI and that AK bullpup have failure written all over it.

I wouldn't trust CAI to build a sandwich, much less do the engineering required to make that thing work. BSW

sv51macross
December 28, 2009, 02:11 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXjwtqwQQ5Y

Brief review on YT.

nalioth
December 28, 2009, 02:12 PM
or is it a cool looking pos.
bingo!

wally
December 28, 2009, 03:46 PM
Mine works fine although the front hand guard gets too hot to be enjoyable before the first mag is empty when making 2-liter plastic bottles "dance".

I fixed it by adding a folding vertical grip, details:
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=369290

Like anything Century, don't buy one sight unseen, you need to do the final inspection yourself and not buy the ones that should have failed.

--wally.

Quiet
December 28, 2009, 07:06 PM
The bullpup stock is made by Kvar.
Kvar use to sell the stock seperately, as the AKU94.

CAI takes their Romanian kit built AK and puts it in the stock.




RPKs in the AKU94 bullpup stock was used in the Kurt Russel movie "Soldier".

JTH
December 29, 2009, 01:49 PM
Thanks guys for the input. Kind of what I thought. I want to add another AK to go along with my Norinco MAK 90. I guess if I have $500 to burn there are muck better AK's out there in their conventional stock format. Also have thought about a Draco AK pistol. Maybe should add to my ammo stash which is sizeable. Trying to keep my ammo stash to 4 calibers. In reality, if a situation arises, that I need more than what I already have, I'm screwed.
1 Norinco SKS
1 Norinco Mak 90
1 Norinco Tokarev 9mm
1 Hi-Point 9mm
1 Remington 870 Wingmaster Police Issue
1 Winchester Model 72- 22 cal

Boba Debt
July 23, 2010, 09:34 PM
Nothing like ressurecting an old thread to brag :)


I bought 2 of those AKU-94 Bull Pups from J&G for $400 each with the intent of totally reworking the kit to make it more solid and accessory friendly.

With the exception of the Magpul Back Up Sights, a holo/red dot optic and accessories such as a light,


I'm done with my first one

It went from this:

http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p298/BobaDebt/Props/Bull%20Pup/AKBullpupRight.jpg



To this:

http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p298/BobaDebt/Props/Bull%20Pup/762BullPup002.jpg

http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p298/BobaDebt/Props/Bull%20Pup/762BullPup001.jpg

http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p298/BobaDebt/Props/Bull%20Pup/762BullPup003.jpg


The quad rail is a custom modified combination of 2 different UTG Rails. I used the bottom section from their 7.62 Saiga Rail and the middle and top sections from their 12 Gauge Saiga Rail. The bottom needed a lot of modification to make it work but the top only had to be cut at an angle and shortened to match the modified rear sight.

I removed the top of the rear sight to provide a secure contact point to the back section of the top rail.

I added a modified section from a UTG "13 Slot 1 Inch Riser" to the forward lower section of the 7.62 Rail. This provided a secure place to mount the stubby vertical grip.

The bull barrel is a piece of 1/2 electrical conduit, this is just a sleeve to cover up the grooves that used to retail the AK front sight post. The Bird Cage Flash Hider secures it in place.

The Shoulder Pad is made from a custom cut aluminum plate that is secured to the original butt stock with 2 screws and some washers.




This gun is awesome to handle. It feels great in your shoulder and the grips are not too close together. When you hold this you get a rock solid balanced feel that just provokes attitude.

No one that handles it can believe I made the modifications, I have to show then the unmodified rifle. I can't wait to build my other other one.

As soon as I get my Magpul BUSs I'm taking it to the range, I'm sure it will shoot great

rd2007
July 23, 2010, 10:17 PM
Looks pretty sweet. How is the trigger with yours? I've been trying to resist the urge to get one of these and the ammo deal they have going on now makes it even harder..

wideym
July 23, 2010, 10:22 PM
How difficult is it to load and unload?

It looks like the position of the grip might interfere with locking a mag in place, also does the size of the mag matter, like a 40 rounder being too long or being longer make it easier to load than 30?

USP45T
July 23, 2010, 10:47 PM
I wouldn't trust CAI to build a sandwich, much less do the engineering required to make that thing work. BSW

Just got done cleaning cherry/coke Slurpee off of the carpet...but it was worth it. funny stuff.

Boba Debt
July 24, 2010, 09:18 AM
The trigger pull on both of mine is fine. It isnít crisp but it isnít bad. It is longer and it seems to buffer any trigger jerk I create by sending a couple rounds to the same spot.

Most people don't know that the grip is a magazine guide. To reload, you set the mag on the front tab and the base on the mag on the bottom of the grip. It only took me a few practice runs and I was able to reload my gun quickly.


My only experience with Century Arms is the purchase of these 2 Bull Pups. Based on that, I can not complain. The construction was top notch and the finish is excellent.

At $400 it would almost be silly not to get one of these.

GunsBeerFreedom
July 24, 2010, 12:01 PM
How much did all those mods cost in total boba?

W.E.G.
July 24, 2010, 12:06 PM
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd7/rkba2da/humor/benEzra-keepTactical.jpg

Boba Debt
July 24, 2010, 01:10 PM
I have less then $200 in all the part but I get the UTG rails at wholesale..

GunsBeerFreedom
July 24, 2010, 01:25 PM
Hmmm..... I may be very interested in doing that as well. My tiny wife has trouble holding full sized guns.

Boba Debt
July 26, 2010, 08:39 PM
Here are some new images

With a set of Magpul BUS, a light and magazine

http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p298/BobaDebt/Props/Bull%20Pup/Progress018.jpg


The right side

http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p298/BobaDebt/Props/Bull%20Pup/Progress017.jpg


The 6" sight radius is going to suck

I might just go with a back up front sight post with a halo style optic.

GunsBeerFreedom
July 26, 2010, 08:41 PM
That is one of the sexiest AK's I've ever seen.

kimberkid
July 26, 2010, 09:47 PM
Long before all the rail kits became available (and affordable) I put a KVAR kit on a Mak90 and used a Ultimak sight rail and a Kobra for sighting. I never took off the front sight as I may want to return it to its original config someday.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v40/kimberkid/Toys/16AKU-94L.jpg

wally
July 26, 2010, 10:16 PM
How difficult is it to load and unload?

It looks like the position of the grip might interfere with locking a mag in place, also does the size of the mag matter, like a 40 rounder being too long or being longer make it easier to load than 30?

The grip is well placed and the curve lets 30 rounders rock right in and out. Never tried a 40 rounder in mine. My Norinco bullpup is hard to use with anything other than 20 round mags.

Zanad
July 26, 2010, 10:58 PM
hmmm, maybe you can market your own kit for an AK.... I'd buy it.

FIVETWOSEVEN
July 26, 2010, 11:51 PM
That AK almost looks like a AUG, poorman's AUG I guess. :D

Mp7
July 27, 2010, 05:01 AM
friggin awesome boba .....

Boba Debt
July 27, 2010, 08:24 PM
I'm finally done.


I'm going to start the mods on my other gun now that the first is done. If anyone is interested I can post a step by step build thread explaining how I built this.

If anyone is serious about wanting to build one of these I can help you get the quad rails from UTG and I could even do the rough mods, you would have to fine tune them to your own rifle.


Here is a comparison of the original rifle and my version

Original: 27" long / 17" LOP / 7 pounds unleaded

Mine : 29" long / 18" LOP / 8.6 Pounds


http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p298/BobaDebt/Props/Bull%20Pup/Progress019.jpg

Dionysusigma
July 27, 2010, 08:33 PM
If anyone is interested I can post a step by step build thread explaining how I built this.
I'm quite interested. I don't have an AK at the moment, but this is seriously giving me the jones for one. :)

Here is a comparison of the original rifle and my version

Original: 27" long / 17" LOP / 7 pounds unleaded

Mine : 29" long / 18" LOP / 8.6 Pounds
:D

If that's a typo, it's a great one. :p

GunsBeerFreedom
July 27, 2010, 10:37 PM
If anyone is interested I can post a step by step build thread explaining how I built this.

Please do.

THE MACHINIST
July 27, 2010, 11:29 PM
http://www.centerfiresystems.com/stkaka-bp.aspx

Boba Debt
July 27, 2010, 11:47 PM
The kit price is ok but a new factory built Ak Bull Pup for $400 is hard to beat.

kimberkid
July 28, 2010, 09:55 PM
+1
I'd be interested too!

Boba Debt
July 31, 2010, 09:18 PM
I shot the bull pup today.

I had 2 mechanical issues

1. The disconnector does not reset correctly. I have to push the bull pup trigger forward to get it to pop the disconnector up to release the hammer. I donít know if this is something I can fix of if I have to send it to the manufacturer

2. The Bull Pup trigger gets HOT. Someone on another forum said they ground part of the trigger linkage so that it didnít sit up against the barrel. I may do this once I get the disconnector issue fixed


Now for a report on the sights and scope.

I was shooting off hand with no support at 15 yards.

With the Magpul PTS Back Up Sights I put 40 rounds into an 8" group, I didnít even have to adjust them. I just aimed at the top of the bullseye

With the Sightmark scope and the laser I put 40 rounds into a 4" group.

Over all I'm happy with the gun. Once I get my laser bore sight I'll get serious with some sand bags but today was just a quick session to get used to the rifle.

15guns
July 31, 2010, 10:05 PM
That kit would be sweet on a saiga ak in 308 or 223. The Machinist.

THE MACHINIST
August 1, 2010, 11:41 PM
kool.....

Boba Debt
August 3, 2010, 08:49 PM
I couldnít get a stock sling to work so I made a simple one from one of my UTG slings

The rifle hangs from my shooting shoulder and lays right against my body. I have it adjusted so the pistol grip is right at my hand

http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p298/BobaDebt/Props/Bull%20Pup/Progress040.jpg



It also stores well:

http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p298/BobaDebt/Props/Bull%20Pup/Progress041.jpg

jojo200517
October 8, 2010, 11:59 PM
I dunno if I was the one you read about but I ended up grinding/filing down part of the trigger where it touched the barrel and spacing it over.

I'll try to explain it best I can without any pictures.

When you are viewing the weapon from the top down barrel pointed away from you the trigger wire will connect to a piece of the trigger on the right side. It would appear when they made this arrangement they welded a piece onto part of a cut down original trigger piece. This piece is overlapped to the weapons right side and isn't a real issue, its the inner part of the original piece that was against the barrel.

I carefully ground and filed it down in thickness and away from the barrel. I also checked to see if any of the other parts are touching the barrel and filed away some other places a bit until I was happy. Then I took the trigger pin over to my parts drawer and found a tiny flat washer that would fit over it. When I reassembled the trigger group into the hand guard I placed the washer on the left hand side between the side of the hand guard and the trigger to space it over to the right and help keep the right side from being against the barrel.

After firing a couple mags of ammo the trigger is a little bit warm but nowhere near the "holy crap I blistered my finger after 15-20 rounds" business.

Here's where I insert the disclaimer, take pics as you take the trigger apart, and keep in mind that while it only took 3 hands to get apart you'll need 5 to get it back together.

Also I had to drive out the pin and remove the rear sight before the gas tube would come off so YMMV.

Also as far as other mods I done, I ditched the front part of the clam shell, put on a 3 slot barrel clamp on style tri rail, vertical fore-grip on the bottom rail and it'll clamp a round laser inside the rails. Also added a flash hider like Boba Debt has.

Boba Debt
October 9, 2010, 04:16 AM
I assemble my kits differently.

You should be able to install the bull pup trigger, trigger spring and the trigger wire in the forward grip assembly before you put it on the rifle.

Then you can slide the wire into the receiver under the trunnion, it takes some twisting bu it can be done

Once it is in and the hand guard retainer is locked down, you install the hammer and spring.

Then you flex the wire up and get it hooked onto the trigger after which you install the trigger

I do mine this way and I can do it by myself.


http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p298/BobaDebt/Props/Bull%20Pup/Progress045.jpg

wally
October 9, 2010, 10:15 AM
Seeing these with Red Dots made me realize I had a left over upper hand guard with a rail so I swapped it in and added a Sightmark Aimpoint-like red Dot (~$80).

Here is the result:
http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=125254&d=1280784786

Co-witness with the original sights is about perfect!

t_hunt
May 18, 2011, 05:06 AM
"If anyone is interested I can post a step by step build thread explaining how I built this."


Please do!! I was about to sell mine until I read this . . .

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