Sawed off levergun


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Gabe
November 12, 2003, 12:55 AM
What do you think of this idea, is it legal, practical, shootable?

The picture is a computer modified Winchester 94. 16" barrel, 10 shot 44 magnum, 24" overall length.

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7.62FullMetalJacket
November 12, 2003, 01:09 AM
uncalled for attack removed

Wildalaska
November 12, 2003, 01:51 AM
Cut about 6 inches off the front of that baby!

WildsbrAlaska

Badger Arms
November 12, 2003, 02:10 AM
Cyber gun porn. I love it. Here's my cybergunporn:

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?s=&postid=599344

Badger Arms
November 12, 2003, 02:20 AM
Here's another try. I think this one needs a bigger recoil pad!

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?s=&postid=599352

natedog
November 12, 2003, 03:22 AM
This gun is immoral.

Thumper
November 12, 2003, 07:08 AM
Hey, Wildalaska...don't you have a better pic of that thing?

OH25shooter
November 12, 2003, 11:16 AM
Didn't actor, Steve McQueen carry one of those in that 60's show "Wanted Dead or Alive?" Is it legal...you better check your local criminal code. Is it shootable...I'll bet it is. Is it partical...for what???

DeputyVaughn
November 12, 2003, 11:29 AM
I believe it has to be 26" oal to be a legal rifle.

Scott

Johnny Guest
November 12, 2003, 12:44 PM
What do you think of this idea, is it legal, practical, shootable? 1. Legal: No, not without jumping through the hoops to register it as a Short Barrel Firearm. National Firearms Act of 1934 (as modified) requires rifles to have 16-inch barrel and 26-inch overall length, unless you do the registration thing. Shotguns must have 18-inch barrel(s) but same 26-inch OAL.

2. Practical: Depends on definition. This also relates to the third point, below. It is heavier, longer, and less convenient to carry than a long barrel .44, .454, or .480 revolver. For most users, the revolver is rather more practical, not to mention the fact that it is usually less expensive, considering cost of acquisition, tax stamps, and gunsmithing. On the other hand, with many loads, higher velocities are available from the 16-inch barrel. If dead-serious, massively POWERFUL bear protection were needed, such a firearm in .45-70 or .450 Marlin might be an option.

3. Shootable: See 2, above. Unless you get into the "spinlever" action or other contortions, you need two hands to operate a lever gun on second and subsequent shots. Also, one is hard put to get any accuracy, shooting one-handed with such a nose-heavy firearm.

All in all, the same general type arm, but a touch longer, is readily available, from both Marlin and Winchester. The standard length stock makes it MUCH easier to shoot well. I muse that one of these, with a tax-stamped ten or twelve inch barrel, would be very handy. You wouldn't really be giving up MUCH velocity, with the .44 Mag cartridge, as it was developed for revolver length barrels from the start. Again, for SERIOUS power, same SBR in .45-70 or .450 Marlin might approach optimum bear protection . . . .

My two cents measure, and worth every penny! :D

Johnny

Hatchett
November 12, 2003, 03:02 PM
It might be practical if used from a Harley.

http://www.movieprop.com/tvandmovie/terminator/postert2.jpg

Wildalaska
November 12, 2003, 04:08 PM
Hey, Wildalaska...don't you have a better pic of that thing?

Nope my photo skills are pathetic

WildnotOlegAlaska

Archie
November 12, 2003, 04:20 PM
Operating a short lever gun is difficult, as one normally uses the stock to lever against, so to speak.
Try this without cutting anything off: Hold any levergun by the forearm only, without the buttstock touching your body or anything else, and operate the lever, extracting a fired casing. It is clumsy.

The late Steve McQueen, as Josh Randall in "Wanted: Dead or Alive" carried a 1892 Winchester in .44-40 as a sidearm. It was cool, but frankly a Colt SAA is easier to operate.

Others may disagree, but in my experience, what makes a long gun "long" is the distance from between your hands on the gun to the muzzle. From between your hands to the butt is really not a problem. However, to keep from being an NFA "any other weapon", the minimum length is as Johnny said, 16" for rifles, 18" for shotguns, 26" over all.

Not that I don't think a 12" 44 Magnum Marlin levergun wouldn't be handy, but it's too much legal bother for me.

raz-0
November 12, 2003, 04:59 PM
http://www.wildwestguns.com/Bushwacker/Bushwacker2.jpg

I think it's already been done. it's an AOW weapon though. I think yoru initial concept is too long and heavy to be a pistol. Dunno about a legal rifle.

goon
November 12, 2003, 05:13 PM
Might be workable if you could either buy a unassembled reciever or have the factory make the gun you want without building a rifle.
You have to register an SBR or AOW.
I am not sure if it would even be affected by the AW ban because it isn't semi auto and it doesn't have a detachable mag.
If that is what you want, I would bet that there is a legal way to do it.

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