[J.Bourne]

As being reported by those in contact with Sigarms on the Sigforum. I just thought I'd let anyone that cares know.

[Preacherman]

Hmmm... that means the "street" price will be in the $900 - $1,000 range (after the initial rush is over! :D ). Interesting! At that price level, they'll certainly give Kimber and Springfield Armory a run for their money: and if the quality of the pistol is up to SIG standards, it'll be a winner. (Of course, if they're outsourcing most of the parts, the quality may not be up to their usual standards... we'll have to wait and see.)

[waktasz]

What makes the sig 1911 more than a Sig 226 for example? Difficulty of manufacture or just simple supply and demand?

[J.Bourne]

Actually, it's not really a Sig from what I'm able to gather.

It uses a Caspian Recon frame, Greider slide stop, Wilson Combat thumb safety, true Novak sites, true Novak magazines, and some other top notch components. I have to check the spec sheet. It has no MIM parts whatsoever, and a match grade barrel.

I think about the only Sig made component is the stainless steel slide, but I'm not even sure of that.

From what I can tell, it closer to a Wilson Combat or Les Baer TRS.

If it functions well otb, and dealers sell these in the $800-$900 range, it sure ought to give some of the 1911 players now in the $1,200-$2,000 range some real competition.

At $800, it'll beat up on everyone.

[45R]

1077 retail isnt all that bad esp for the parts listed. I'll wait till the rush is over. People are still having a hard time finding a 226ST in 9mm. :eek:
Look for the Sigforum group buy.


For now my Sig 220ST keeps me very happy :)

[10-Ring]

I was thinking about $1000, so that $1077 is almost ideal. They price themselves at a point where they can compete directly w/ Kimber, SA, S&W & Colt. But, I was also thinking that at the $1000 they have made their 22X guns even more attractive & a virtual deal at roughly $750.

[kalibear45]

Just hope they send one to the CA DOJ lab for the necessary testing :D

[Mike Irwin]

Hum...

I think that's about....

$650 more than I'd ever be willing to pay.

Thanks, no thanks.

[WonderNine]

A gun with no MIM parts for $900 sounds reasonable. (I can't believe I just said that) And an external BHP style extractor you don't have to tune.

But I can't get over the fuglyness of them and that beavertail has gotta go along with that ring hammer.

[longeyes]

When are they supposed to be available at retail?

[Marko Kloos]

Street price of under $1,000 for a 1911 without MIM components is pretty reasonable.

[George Hill]

Too much by 300 to 350.
Give the SIG1911 a proven track record and not a name... then it can ask for eleven hunnerd.

[AZ Husker]

A local shop is taking orders now. Their price is reported to be $845. I got to handle the new Sigs last weekend at a wholesaler's show. I'm impressed by the choice of parts and especially the hand fitting involved.

[J.Bourne]

$845? Now that sounds more reasonable.

Hmmmm....maybe I really should postpone my Kimber purchase.

I'm really on the fence about Kimber's use of MIM components. I've heard too much mixed stuff on MIM quality.

[AZ Husker]

http://www.1911forum.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=63414

My mistake, it's $849.

[Lone_Gunman]

A lot of people are under the impression that just because SIG is on the slide, it won't jam.

We'll see.

[cslinger]

I agree that only time will tell if SIG has assembled a good'un but they certainly seem to be coming to the party dressed to kill.

No MIM parts, hand fitting, SIG's name, major aftermarket parts such as Novak, Caspian etc. and they are doing it at a price point that should make Kimber cringe.

Now could the gun suck? Of course but everytime I see a drawback they seem to alleviate the fears. My biggest fear so to speak was that they would simply be priced with the big dogs and simply wouldn't have the rep to run with them.

At 850ish I would say Kimber, Springfield and even some of the higher end marks might be in for a bit of a fight assuming the thing works as advertised.

We shall see but the more I read about this guy the more I like it.

[Sean Smith]

I think some folks have very unrealistic expectations, or are just determined to bash Sig for selling a 1911. A MSRP of $1,077 (and a street price of $900 or less) is extremely reasonable for what Sig is offering.

The spec sheet for the gun compares very favorably to the higher-end Kimber and Springfield Armory guns, which are still full of cheap MIM parts. Will it be better than a STI Trojan 5.0 (available for about the same price)? I really doubt it. But STI is such a small-volume player that I doubt Sig even gave them any consideration in the first place. The Sig should be able to beat the snot out of its Kimber and SA competition, if only because last I checked its QC department wasn't staffed from people who got lost on the way to the short bus.

I bet it won't have the slightest effect on Colt, since they don't sell a gun at that price point that competes in the "nicer factory faux custom" category, and their buyers almost invariably want more traditional-looking guns anyway.

Personally, I'm not that interested in it one way or the other. I don't plan on buying one. But objectively it looks like Sig has put themselves in a very good place.

[Bacchus]

I'm curious to see how Kimber and Springfield react if the Sig version really does sell in the $900 range.

[J.Bourne]

Guys, the $849 price is for real. That shop in Arizona that AZHusker cited IS taking advance orders at that price.

Sporting Arms is taking orders at $879, as well.

Thing look good.

Sean: What is a decent price on a nib STI Trojan, and why can't most compare to it?

[rick_reno]

Has anyone got a link to a photo/description of this gun?

thanks...

[Black Snowman]

http://www.sigarms.com/products/gsr-models.asp?product_id=197#

Click on the small picture for a larger image.

[Billmanweh]

that sounds like a steal at $849 retail when you compare it to a Springfield Loaded Operator at $949, TRP Operator at $1473, Kimber TLE RL at $1033, or Wilson CQB with rail at $1995.

[George Hill]

What's the warranty on a SIG?

Cause Springfield's is LIFE TIME. Meaning I would never have to worry about it again. They pay for shipping, and in 4 weeks or less, it's back in my hands good as new or better.

I send in a 3" printing "Loaded", and I got back a virtual "custom" that shot 1 to 1.5 inches... and it cost me not a penny.
THAT is value, my friends... that's the love I feel from Springfield - that I never felt from SIG.
I love SIG guns... for what they are... but Sig really doesn't even know I exist if you know what I mean.

I'd rather give Springfield my One Large. And I plan to one day too.

[John Forsyth]

Retail will be $849. OK, what can I get for that? How about a new in the box S70 Colt. I can get a S80 Colt for a couple of hundred less than that. The Sig1911 will not be any competition to Colt.

With respect to Kimber, Kimber better watchout. Their prices have been creeping up for a few years now. And personally, I think they are over priced for what you get. Not so much in the base models, but the upper level models.

If I was going to spend that much on a factory gun, it would be a STI, or a used Wilson or Baer. If they offer a 10mm without the rail, might be interestred.

[Sean Smith]

Sean: What is a decent price on a nib STI Trojan, and why can't most compare to it?

$922 from Dawson Precision. http://www3.mailordercentral.com/shootingstore/prodinfo.asp?number=STI11509

The STI is just a killer value. The ones I've seen are darn impressive, the quality and subjective feel is definitely a step above the higher-end Kimber or SA guns at the same price point. Stephen A. Camp has written several comprehensive reviews of the guns, and they are all smooth-shooting tack drivers. IIRC none of the 3 Trojans he has tested (.45 ACP, 9x19 and .38 Super) ever malfunctioned during the tests, and he tested them with a wide array of factory ammo & handloads.

http://www.pistolsmith.com/viewtopic.php?t=13190&highlight=sti

http://www.pistolsmith.com/viewtopic.php?t=14896&highlight=sti

http://www.pistolsmith.com/viewtopic.php?t=18056&highlight=sti

http://www.pistolsmith.com/viewtopic.php?t=18167&highlight=sti

I find the odds that the Sig will top that performance to be quite low. That's all. :)

[J.Bourne]

Sean,

Thanks for the info and the links. I may end up buying an STI based upon that excellent info.

[cosmonick]

$850ish??? That presents me with a problem. I was actually hoping that they'd price it well out of my price range :) I'll wait a year and if it shows standard Sig reliability, I'll buy one.

[bountyhunter]

Hmmm... that means the "street" price will be in the $900 - $1,000 range (after the initial rush is over! ). Interesting! At that price level, they'll certainly give Kimber and Springfield Armory a run for their money:

Maybe, but the STI Trojan (which is basically a hand made quality 1911) sells for about $920 and I would much rather have one of those than a mass-produced gun.

[Sean Smith]

So would I, but most people have never even heard of STI. Hence Sig may raise hell in its price bracket even if it isn't superior (or even equal) to the STI.

[Nalapombu]

I have thought a lot about getting the Trojan, but I just cannot bring myself to warm up to those cocking serrations. They just look to funny and weird.
I emailed them and asked if a different style was available and they told me that the style on them now is the ONLY one that can be had. I keep looking at pictures hoping my mind will change, it is a really nice gun though.

Nala

[Bladeandbarrel]

There is nothing "hand fitted" about an STI Trojan.
I have owned 2 of their production guns.....yuck.
Drop-in, parts guns.
Nuff said.

[Erik]

"Yuck?"

Compared to what, and at what price point. A table of STIs is bound to compare favorably to a table of just about any other brand at similar price points. No?

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Good on Sig for introducing another 1911. Competition can only mean bettrer things for shooters in the end, after all.

[Bladeandbarrel]

Not in my experience.

For $1000, I would buy a TRP instead or even a series 1 Kimber Gold Team or whatever.

The STI's are very, very rough, IMO.

[powertoast]

Any new 1911 from a major manufacturer will have some downward effect on other 1911 prices, and thats good for everyone. So even if you are a diehard Colt or Springfield fan, cross your fingers and hope that the Sig 1911 is a big seller.

[J.Bourne]

I've heard several people say that, based on the parts being used to assemble it alone, the Sig 1911 compares favorably to a Wilson Close Quarter Combat (which costs near $2,000).

Any credence to the that claim?

[jar]

As I've said before, for the GSR to succeed, all it has to do is be no worse than the others. If it turns out to be slightly better then it will be a runaway best seller.