Remington 700, what's the consensus?


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Redneck with a 40
December 29, 2009, 09:06 PM
Based the Remington bash thread that was locked yesterday, it seems Remington is inferior by today's standards. Even though I got a smokin' deal on my 700, is it an inferior rifle?

In that last thread, some poster's were questioning the accuracy of the 700's, I'll put mine up against any other "out of the box" rifle out there.:neener:

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Ridgerunner665
December 29, 2009, 09:15 PM
As has been said before (many times)...Remington "used to be" a sure bet for a fine rifle out of the box...these days you might get a good, but there are also a lot of bad ones.

oldwheelieguy
December 29, 2009, 09:26 PM
I have a 30-06 700. I have a tv screen type redfield 3 x9 scope. I can hit 300 yards constently so I like it. But I have a problem if I fill the cilp it won't load next shell. It only works if I put one or two shells in the clip. (that kinda sucks ass). my .02 cents.

Ridgerunner665
December 29, 2009, 09:28 PM
oldwheelie,

Buff the underside of the feedlips with a ScotchBrite pad...that will probably fix it.

If not, replace the follower and spring.

dakotasin
December 29, 2009, 11:38 PM
based on this board's penchant to bash remington, i keep hoping to see all these used remingtons flood the market so i can start buying them up. alas, no glut of 700's, and i'm still stuck buying new...

Ridgerunner665
December 30, 2009, 12:30 AM
Most of my Remingtons are over 15 years old...they won't be sold.

There wont be any new Remingtons in my collection...not until Remington gets their bugs worked out.

Boba Fett
December 30, 2009, 02:44 AM
I was debating a Remington SPS or 700P vs the Savage 10FCP or 10FP a while back.
Savage won out, but I don't think I would have been disappointed in the 700P if I'd picked one up instead.


In general, I haven't been a fan of Remington products in recent years. They have made some screwy/oddball rifles (see the VTR as an example) and their ammunition seems to have gotten lax in the quality department (just my personal experience...and I don't buy it anymore because of that experience).

All that said, depending on the 700 you picked up, it is probably quite a good rifle and I wouldn't worry about it. That goes double for their LE rifles. Don't think I'd have felt any buyer's remorse if I picked up any of the Remington rifles I was considering.

Since no one else has asked, which model 700 do you have?



In that last thread, some poster's were questioning the accuracy of the 700's, I'll put mine up against any other "out of the box" rifle out there.:neener:

I accept your challenge! :D First time to the range with my 10FCP, I managed a 5 shot 0.458 MOA at 100 yards.
http://thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=488324

evan price
December 30, 2009, 03:22 AM
Remington 700 Police Sharp Shooter with detach mags in .308. Drives tacks. Quite satisfied with it.

PT1911
December 30, 2009, 03:24 AM
the 700s are GREAT... IF you true up the lugs, turn back the barrel, rechamber the receiver, free-float/bed the stock, recrown the barrel, and adjust the trigger.... then and only then is it a GREAT gun capable of some of the best accuracy out there.

Bobarino
December 30, 2009, 03:38 AM
Remington 700 Police Sharp Shooter with detach mags in .308....

the PSS actually stands for "Police Sniper Special". the ones with detachable mags are very hard to find. that's a great rifle you have there. hang on to it.

i just bought a 700 SPS Varmint in .308 as a base for a long range paper puncher and so far, without having been to the range yet, i like it. the action is smooth, the fit and finish is quite nice and the X-Mark Pro trigger is pretty dang sweet! the finish is good, but not great and the rifling and crown look nicely machined.

i too debated between Savage and Remington and decided to go with Remington because there are more aftermarket options for it than the Savage. i really just wanted the barreled action. (exact same one as the 700P) Eventually, even the barrel will go away and i'll have the action trued and a put a Krieger barrel in .260 Remington on it. the SPS-V was the cheapest way to get the base for my project.

as of now, it's wearing a Choate Ultimate Varmint stock, Harris 9-13" bipod with notches, Burris bases, TPS rings and a Millett LRS-1 6-25x56 with mill dot/bar reticle and 1/10th mil clicks for the turrets.

i expect good things now and great things later.

i think it depends on if you want to leave it the way it is, slap a scope on it and shoot it, or if you want to tinker with it in the future and customize it.

i don't think you can go wrong with either but i'd give either a thorough once over at the gun store before i took it home.

let us know what you decide and good luck.

Bobby

Rob96
December 30, 2009, 04:38 AM
I was just in the market for a heavy barrel 308. I was debating between Savage and remington. I picked up a 700ADL Varmint at Dick's for $419 after the rebatrs. First time to the range it was shooting .69moa. The action is nice and smooth. Very satisfied!

Peter M. Eick
December 30, 2009, 06:02 AM
I like my 700's but I have to admit I was buying on brand. I recently bought a Savage model 12 and was truly shocked at how much nicer the action was then the 700. Does it shoot better? I don't know, but the bolt is a lot smoother to operate and the fit and finish is a lot nicer.

This incident had me really rethinking my buying habits.

By the way, I won't sell my 700's. They are good for what they are and I may send them off to a good rifle shop and get them fixed up. Right now, though I just won't buy any more off the shelf without carefully considering ALL of the alternatives.

Uncle Mike
December 30, 2009, 07:02 AM
based on this board's penchant to bash remington, i keep hoping to see all these used remingtons flood the market so i can start buying them up. alas, no glut of 700's, and i'm still stuck buying new...

Funny you say that, I was watching for the same thing.
We have not had a great number of Remingtons come in the store to be sold or traded, which we are getting away from, but we are not selling very many Remingtons as compared to the other brands or even past sales history.... we continually hear the same as you read here, complaints as to the quality and most definitely the cost of the rifles.

Snakum
December 30, 2009, 07:27 AM
Find one ten years old or older and you'll probably be golden. I shoot two older wooden-stocked 700s in 30-06 and .243 and I love them, though they are not as accurate as my Model 70. But I wouldn't buy a 700 made in the last ten years if they were half the current price.

ArmedBear
December 30, 2009, 09:35 AM
we are not selling very many Remingtons as compared to the other brands or even past sales history.... we continually hear the same as you read here, complaints as to the quality and most definitely the cost of the rifles.


Remington did the same thing with autoloading shotguns. Decades ago, they were at the top of the heap -- not necessarily the best shotguns at any price, but the best, well-balanced, reliable "working guns" for the money. Through the years, they really didn't improve the designs. Some say the quality went down.

Meanwhile, with 40 years to work with, other companies caught up, passed, and eventually beat the pants off what Remington was offering. Meanwhile, Remington, whose management were apparently vacationing on Mars, kept making the same stuff and trying to use their marketing spiel to sell it.

Despite what a few Remington fanatics on this board may post, the serious shotgunning world hasn't taken Remington's claims of greatness seriously for a very, very long time.

Remington is now doing this with rifles. The 700 was a hell of a rifle when pitted against what was around 20 years ago. Now, it has a whole list of worthy competitors. Despite this, Remington has raised the prices and, to hear what people say, lowered the quality. The Model 7 CDL at $750 retail is a joke, compared to the current Model 70 Featherweight at $650. Winchester made a lot of crap for a long time, making Remington's job a lot easier, but they aren't doing that any more. Meanwhile, I see a lot of younger shooters here learning to like Tikkas (and presumably lusting after their more expensive Sako brethren), and Savages, which give up nothing to a factory Remington's accuracy, but have nice little touches like a good, easily-adjustable, safe trigger system, and a 3-position safety. Love 'em or hate 'em, a Savage or Tikka will shoot with any factory Remington, for less money, with better features. Even Ruger seems to be making a pretty consistent bolt gun now, for a lot less than a Remington with similar features (their increased stainless offerings are a big plus for Ruger IMO).

Uncle Mike
December 30, 2009, 09:42 AM
The Model 7 CDL at $750 retail Model 70 Featherweight at $650.

Found someone 'giving them away'...?

I see a lot of younger shooters here learning to like Tikkas

They will hopefully 'grow up' and learn!

Savages, which give up nothing to a factory Remington's accuracy, but have nice little touches like a good, easily-adjustable, safe trigger system, and a 3-position safety. Even Ruger seems to be making a pretty consistent bolt gun now, for a lot less than a Remington with equal features (their increased stainless offerings are a big plus for Ruger IMO).

Right you are! I don't understand it, I mean Remington had the market on bolt guns, then, just like that, or I should say, just like Cerberus, they just gave up to cheap.

Greed, baby....greed!

ArmedBear
December 30, 2009, 09:52 AM
They will hopefully 'grow up' and learn!


LOL

Well, a T3 with scope rings included for 500 bucks is a much better value than a 770, anyway.:)

Uncle Mike
December 30, 2009, 10:55 AM
Well, a T3 with scope rings included for 500 bucks is a much better value than a 770, anyway

I hear you! The Tikka is the, SKS of bolt actions! whoops, did I say that!?! lol hehehehe

:evil: :D

jmr40
December 30, 2009, 11:03 AM
I think ArmedBear summed it up pretty well. When I was growing up and getting into hunting back in the '70's everyone used Remington and that is what I bought because the guy at the hardware store told me it was the best choice. Back in 1974 when I bought my 700 that was probably good advice. I still have that gun as well as another from the 80's that are great rifles.

I don't think Remingtons are necessarily a bad choice, it is just that other companies have been improving and may well offer better guns for the money in todays market.

It depends on what you want. Some people just want an accurate gun that costs as little as possible. The Marlin XL-7 and Weatherby Vanguard get my vote in that category. I can afford a little better rifle and appreciate the better features and Kimber gets my vote for the best rifle made today. In the middle of the pack I like the new Winchester and Ruger Hawkeye with a slight edge going to Ruger.

jimmyraythomason
December 30, 2009, 11:15 AM
My first commercial high-powered rifle was a Remington Model 700ADL in 30.06. Bought new in 1974 at Western Auto for $154. It was GREAT! Looked good,the action was very smooth and it was ACCURATE! Last Reminton Model 700 was a BDL-DM in 7mm-.08 bought new around 2002 @ WM for $600. Absolutely beautiful rifle from the engraved receiver to the high-gloss finished stock. It was,however, the biggest disapointment I have ever experienced in a new rifle. Bolt would not close on a live round even after a GOOD cleaning and when it did the rifle could not group better than 4-6'' @ 100yds. Traded that turkey off post haste!

Snakum
December 30, 2009, 12:14 PM
Seems like everyone's seeing the same thing. Remington is completely asleep at the wheel and a once great American company (an icon, even?) is going down the tubes. I am, however, glad that Savage, Marlin, and Thompson/Center are still kicking butt against Belgian, Finn, and Czech rifles at very attractice price points. My next shotgun - an auto loader planned for this Spring - will definitely be a Mossberg. Now if Savage ever introduces a pump or semi-auto centerfire I can be free of Remington. Well, at least free of anything they've made in the last ten years. :p

jimmyraythomason
December 30, 2009, 12:18 PM
Savage's venture,(the model 170), into pump action centerfire rifles didn't go so well.

KansasScout
December 30, 2009, 12:25 PM
I have had a Rem 700 BDL .270 for about 14 years and it's been just fine. I am a lefty and I love it. (Its a LH) I have only taken one deer with it because I have not gone that often but starting next year I will start going more often and bird hunting less.
The only gripe I have is when you carry it on the sling the bolt can open which I don't care for. I have heard or read of people losing their bolts like this. So I am carefull.
Craig Boddington, another lefty uses them a lot and likes them just fine. I would certainly buy another.

jimmyraythomason
December 30, 2009, 12:30 PM
KansasScout,it would be exceedindly difficult for a 700's bolt to fall out of the gun. The bolt release is inside the trigger bow and in front of the trigger. I had a problem,as you, with the bolt opening when carried slung over my shoulder but never had it leave the rifle.

Blowingsky
December 30, 2009, 12:38 PM
I bought a brand new 700P just a few months ago. I have a VX1 4-12 X 40 on it and a Rock Mount bipod. Beautiful stock. Free floating heavy 26" barrel. That's it. Rifle is extremely accurate (.3 -.5 MOA with mil surp at 100yds). The bolt is tight, as in -- slightly too tough to open after a shot. The magazine feed seems to want only 3 rounds and the feed is not always smooth but mostly is. I have heard that the bullet sits back a bit too far from the rifling. But all things considered, the rifle is amazing and the minor sins of fit and finish can be easily absolved. As impartial evidence, I've had relatives visiting and I've taken all the males to the range. On the way back, after firing 6 "interesting" rifles and 5 handguns, this 700p is all they talked about.

Mr_Pale_Horse
December 30, 2009, 12:53 PM
Unless my Windows/browser is set up differently, THR does use Remington green as a box/banner/button color, so we gotta bash a little to keep things fair :D

Mr. T
December 30, 2009, 02:30 PM
I am a long time owner of Remington firearms. In past years they were identified as "quality guns that could be had at affordable prices". In my opinion they have somewhat morphed from that identity to one that could be described as "quality is questionable for premium pricing". I'm sure some bean counter is calling the shots...probably some Harvard or Yale business type who doesn't know sh&t about guns who's only concerned about the bottom line. Remington needs a "gun guy" in there who understands quality; they need someone who can look back at where they've been and redirect where they are going...otherwise that companies a sinking ship with no one at the helm. I happen to own a Remington Model 700....one of the good ones before skimping on the product was made the plan of the day. My Model 700 has quality finished metal (satin smooth); the action is superbly polished (slick sliding); the wood was finished to the quality of fine furniture and was made from quality walnut stock, with a Monte Carlo styled stock. My Model 700 is a quality weapon by anyone's standards. It shoots MOA to sub MOA depending on the ammo used. I am proud to own my Model 700, but recently I went to look for one for my son for his first hunting rifle; I undoubtedly went to what I had and was proud to have. Low and behold I looked at the "Thing" they were calling the Model 700. It looked and felt nothing like what I had. The fit and finish were piss poor and the quality of the metal was terrible. The action on the new 700 is NOTHING like it is on the 700 I own. The price is way too high for the low quality weapon that Remington is now turning out. If you don't believe me compare a new one off the rack to one that's 15 to 20 years old....it's disgraceful. Remington is trading on their former reputation and that will only take them so far. People at Cerberus better wake up and fire the clown running the show at Remington.:banghead:

Redneck with a 40
December 30, 2009, 10:07 PM
The rifle I picked up last year is an SPS Tactical, with the 20" heavy barrel. It was on the used rack for $500 with a Pro-Staff 3-9x40 already mounted and zero'd. I jumped on it! I'm far from a skilled long range shooter, but I'm keeping the groups at 1"/100 yards and just under 2"/200 yards. I like the looks, I like the way it handles, I like the parkerized finish, I'm very pleased with it. It doesn't "feel" crappy at all, I think this is a quality rifle.:) This thing looks brand new too, probably doesn't have more than 100 rounds through it.

I also really like the Hogue stock, soft and grippy, with a very nice recoil pad.

mongo4567
December 31, 2009, 01:09 AM
A close friend of mine bought a new 700 ADL youth in .270 last year for under $400. It is a great rifle; cheap, accurate, and well made. The action isn't very smooth, but it works fine. If I were buying a new rifle with a matte or stainless finish, I would still likely go with a 700. If I were going for a budget minded rifle in a glossy blue finish with wood, I would go with a CZ 550. I couldn't get the same value, choice of calibers, or fit/finish from Remington.

glockman19
December 31, 2009, 01:40 AM
Great rifle. I have 2.

700P .308 26" heave barrel. Tac driver. If you are standing @ 1,000 yards I'll hit you. Less than 1moa at 100 yards. mist groups look like clovers. one group of 5 resembles one ragged hole smaller than a dime.
&
700 CDL .30-06. 24" light and perfect for any game in N America.

IMHO you can't go wrong with the rifle that sets the standard.

billybob44
December 31, 2009, 05:41 AM
Remington 700 Police Sharp Shooter with detach mags in .308. Drives tacks. Quite satisfied with it.
Have a 700 VLS in 6MM that I actually did that (Drove a thumb tack) through the target/stand, on my second fouling shot. Did it last spring while working up some Sierra BlitzKing/Hornady V-Max 70 grain loads, with IMR-4064... This was at 125-130 yards.

Uncle Mike
December 31, 2009, 06:37 AM
IMHO you can't go wrong with the rifle that sets the standard.

Savage!:neener:

frankiestoys
December 31, 2009, 06:55 AM
I just bought a new 700 ADL in .270 ,( 2008 model) haven't fired it yet.
Ive been reading some mixed opinions here, hope i bought a good rifle.
My other choices were the Marlin XL7, Savage 110, i even was thinking of the Mossberg
4x4. I know very little about these guns so i hope i won't be dissapointed.

MJR007
December 31, 2009, 07:24 AM
The 700 action is a good start of a rifle.

Bart B.
December 31, 2009, 07:56 AM
Remington's 7XX and 40X centerfire barrels have been more accurate in all calibers compared to Winchester's Model 70 ones since the early 1950's when they started using button rifled barrels.

Winchester broach rifled their Model 70 barrels from the beginning just as they did their Model 54 which was a direct decendant from the M1903A3 Springfield. With their post '64 push feed actions they hammer forged their barrels. They've all been a bit too big in the groove to shoot most bullets very accurate. Only when bullets larger than their oversize groove diameters were used did they "drive tacks." For example, fat match bullets such as Lapua's .3092" 185-gr, the military .3086" 172-gr. and Winchester/Western 200-gr. FMJBT and 197-gr. HPBT .3087" 30 caliber match bullets shot very well in their barrels typically about .3083" in groove diameter. No other bullets did well unless one just happened to get a barrel that was the last few broach rifled and its groove diameter was smaller as the cutting teeth had worn down to Winchester's minimum spec.

Winchester's best performance happened in 1976 when their run of special .308 Win. Palma rifles for the World Long Range Championships at Camp Perry. Shooting military M118 match ammo, they did very good accuracy wise with the fat match bullets used. A few hundred were built with special barrels and triggers then shot by folks from all over the world. Those using them in that match could buy them fairly cheap and most were sold. People tried Sierra match bullets in them but accuracy was nothing to talk about.

Meanwhile, Remington's smaller groove diameters did well with most bullets and the vast majority of them were tack drivers. This alone, in my opinion, was the death knell that almost got delt to Winchester in the late 1960's when they first got into financial trouble. The rifle buying public heard from all over that Remmie's were tack drivers and Winnie's were bucket punchers. They thrived on accuracy and Remington delivered. And Remington sold barreled actions which the benchrest crown bought then glued them in aluminum sleeves winning matches and setting records with them. That alone may have been the biggest sales primer for Remington's greater sales volumn than Winchesters.

I talked to a man at Winchester in the 1990's about their barrel issues. He was supposed to be one of their "experts" but didn't seem to have any knowledge of what that hole down a barrel's center had to be relative to the copper jacketed lead slugs people shot through them if good accuracy was the objective. He also told me the reason they fluted their barrels was to make them stiffer.....to which I said that's a fallacy that any one of their mechanical engineers would easily disprove. But that's another horse race.

On the other hand, the Winchester actions were favored by competitive shooters for the reasons I mentioned in an earlier post. As few Winnies were used in competition compared to the other shooting disciplines, it didn't matter. The good thing was Winnie actions and used rifles could be had for only one verse of a song. Remmie's still held value but the masses preferred them.

SSN Vet
December 31, 2009, 08:45 AM
Capital management buys companies with one thing in mind.... and one thing only... to squeeze as much profit out of the company as quickly as possible...

R & D and QC are viewed as impediments to short term profitability and money spent on marketing hype will have more immediate affect on sales.

When they have returned solid profit numbers to their investors for a half a dozen years or so, they'll then show off those numbers and dupe someone into thinking the company is riding high and dump the company for a premium, leaving the new buyter to discover that the company is a house of cards and that product reputation and customer loyalty are badly damaged. Either that or they'll farm all the manufacturing out to China and continue to gut the company.

This is the epidemic problem that has plagued American manufacturing for some 30 years now. It's the new corporate culture of greed.

Just yesterday I read an interesting article about the developement of the Oldsmobile 350 rocket (the proto-type for modern V-8 engines) written by an engine designer I met years ago, F. G. Butler. Reading this article it was very apparent that once upon a time, the leaders of American manufacturing corporations wanted to win by developing better products through innovation.

IMHO, internal combustion engines and firearms are similar in that they are now both very mature technologies, and most of the ground breaking advances have already been achieved. This makes it much more difficult for manufacturers to distinguish themselves with innnovation and leaves the market much more driven by price.

DeepSouth
December 31, 2009, 09:15 AM
I have more than 1 Rem rifle that I just love and they are crazy accurate, BUT they are all 15+ years old to ,sooooooooo. I don't know about the new ones, it would be interesting to know what (if anything) changed

deolexrex
December 31, 2009, 09:21 AM
I picked up a 700P used a couple years ago. I put a Super Sniper 10X42 on it with a Harris bi-pod. The action is slick, it goes bang while I pull the trigger, and it places bullets where I point 'em.

What's not to like?

hillbillydelux
December 31, 2009, 09:38 AM
All I can say is I must be lucky. I have 5 model 700 rifles from varmint to deer calibers and have never been dissapointed. First one was bought used in 1987 and the last was a stainless SPS 30-06 I bought 2 months ago. All are excellent shooters and have never failed me in any way. The only thing I absolutly despise is the SPS stock. I orderd a grey laminate from remington to replace the plastic and couldnt be happier The new gun actually shoots better than my old BDL. I paid 400 for the sps stainless (after rebates) and 100 for the new stock. I think 500 is a damn good price for the gun.

loadedround
December 31, 2009, 09:43 AM
All I can say is that I bought two Remington 700BDL rifles in mid 1963 and they were two of the best made and accurate rifles I have owned. I still have them and they are not for sale.

Bluenote
December 31, 2009, 10:13 AM
I recently acquired a 700 in .375 rum , a screaming deal I couldn't pass up ,plain jane stock that's no comparison to earlier 700s , harsh trigger that since it's now been tuned is actually quite nice , equipped it with standard Rem open sights since it was originally intended as a defensive far northern bear gun.

I was rather skeptical about both the caliber and the specific rifle , the newer 700s not having the best of reputations ( but remember it was a screaming deal) , lets just say that I was more than pleasantly surprised in all areas , enough so that the rifle will get a stock and glass that will do it justice.

And likely it will soon wear a muzzle brake , and I may go from the 26 to a 28 with a brake. I'm not unduly sensitive to recoil , regularly put fifty rounds through both a .338 mag and 7mm mags , but 37 rounds across a morning with this thing is a whole different skyscraper falling on your shoulder , I won't shoot anything heavier than a .243 for a week.

Caveats: are of course cost of shooting , the recoil and the basic fact that for anything in the lower 48 except the very largest moose it's drastic ( and I do mean drastic) overkill , miss two inches too far forward on a big hog and ruin BOTH front shoulders overkill.

Surprises: I view ballistics data at times with a skeptical eye , how does it perform in the field? being primary.

Open sighted anecdotal screwing around evidence. Surprisingly accurate at extended ranges for open sights , 5 out of 6 bleach jugs filled with water at a measured 250 yards. Flatter shooting (seemingly) than my .338 mag , don't pick a small oak ( 5-6 inches) to hang a target on ,the oak won't survive two direct hit's in a row. Overall performance trajectory wise ,insofar as I can judge with open sights is very .270, .30-06 maybe close to 7mm mag like ,I *think* better than .338 mag is quite likely at the same ranges once they begin to extend.

And you are unlikely to hit diddly squat offhand without practice , sit down and sling it and/or get a rest , shooting sticks are ok for one shot , *DO NOT* attempt to hold the sticks AND the forearm like you might do with your favorite varmint rifle.......OUCH!!!....

And frankly in an eight lb ( haven't weighed it but it'll be close to eight ,won't be much over) opensighted rifle the recoil is a bit over the top even for someone that's pretty recoil tolerant , as in someone dropped an anvil on you and the damn mule was standing on it , my buddy shot the other three rounds out of the first two boxes and just handed the rifle back to me and shook his head and said 'that's enough'. And THAT is I'm completely SURE that's why the rifle was such a "screaming deal" used , it came with three boxes of ammo ( factory loads) , only ten were missing from one box ,waddaya want to bet that someone bought it fired ten rounds and that was enough?

Some more weight via the right stock , good glass and a muzzle brake I may very well have a semi exceptional shooter here.

And in a circular way we come back to the original point , despite some initial skepticism based on current Remington 700 feedback from the general rank and file I'm quite pleased with this one and it's pretty close to stock save the barrel and a minor trigger tune by a local smith.

I'm expecting good things out of it ,and the one thing you can say about the 700s unequivocally is that they are the Chevy small block of rifles , what do you want it to do? Someone makes the parts to do it.

Most rifles still shoot better than most shooters.

So off to salivate over scopes and stocks. YMMV

chuckusaret
December 31, 2009, 10:38 AM
My son has a 700P LTR TWS .308 that can't be beat in any respect. Looks good, was fairly cheap and very accurate. Bottom line---Does what it was designed to do.

skoro
December 31, 2009, 12:20 PM
I was rifle shopping a couple of months ago. The 700 CDL was high on my list. The ones I handled at local shops seemed to be very decent rifles, but I went with the new Winchester Featherweight. It just seemed smoother and better finished for considerably less money than the 700.

No regrets.

VanBurne01
January 6, 2010, 06:02 PM
I own a Remington 700 ADL synthetic stock in 30-06 with a decent scope.
A light weight tack driver, drop whitetail in there tracks.Didn't pay much
for it, brand new out of the box. I know for a fact the newer model
Remmy's don't do it for me, seems to have lower quality....

dubbleA
January 6, 2010, 06:25 PM
I am opened minded and in my experinces the Remington is no better or worse than any other make these days. Driven and fed properly just about any rifle can be made to shoot well. Unless you are talking about a Dakota, Cooper or simular there isnt a make be it Savage, Remington, FNH Win etc. that stands head and shoulders above.

With that said I shot this last week with a current production $360 Rem SPSV.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vakmvgZb9aE

DRYHUMOR
January 6, 2010, 07:09 PM
I've had a few through the years, mostly heavy barrels. Even had a couple of 5R milspecs, I was less impressed with them than the PSS's I had. One of them looked like they had slammed it together on a Friday between 4:30 and 5.

The PSS rifles were solid, just plain solid. But both of those were early/mid 1990's builds. Either one of them would shoot .5 at 100 with factory match ammo. I have a .308 VSF right now that I haven't had the chance to shoot yet. It's one of the last ones using the HS stock. Have to see how it works out....

I just can't see how they can ask what they ask for the so called custom rifles, the north american, african plains, etc. All pushing 2000.00 or better. There are other hunting rifles with far more handfitting and detail work for that price, or a hair cheaper. I'm no fan of the current synthetic stocks either.

DirtyHarry31
January 6, 2010, 07:32 PM
I have owned my Remington 700 Sendero in 270 win with the HS stock for several years now. It was made somewhere in the mid to late 90's. I bought it used on GB for $600 three years ago barely used (looked new). When I got it my smith took it apart to check it out. The recoil lug was cocked slightly. He straightend it out & adjusted the trigger. With Federal standard (blue/black box) 130 gr. pointed soft point ammo @ 100 yards I had groups between .30 to .50, and this with standard off the shelf ammo. Have a Burris Black Diamond 8-32 x 50 on top with a Harris Bi Pod. It will hit where I point it. I will reload for her someday. Remember the Marines Snipers use the Remington 700 action so how bad can it be? New, maybe there's some quality in assembly problems but you will get that with almost any rifle manufacture, some less than others. With the economy the way it is I'm sure all the manufacturers are working harder to provide a better quality rifle, even Remington if they want to stay on top.

banjoman2255
January 6, 2010, 07:57 PM
I got a 700 xhr in .300RUM for Christmas this year. I'm shooting the power level three, 150gr. scirocco tips for whitetail. I have no complaints except $65 a box ammo and lack of expansion under 100 yards. Major complaints but the core lokts should expand better on whitetail.

Mr. T
January 8, 2010, 02:37 PM
That's why I tend to stay with the common calibers....ammo is a bitch when you go to those specialty calibers. I can always find 12 guage, 30.06 and .270 Win where ever I go and it's usually affordable. Premium bullets for the 30.06 might go for 30 or 35 bucks a box, but there's a lot of standard ammo out there for 16 bucks a box also. I still think Remington's quality control has taken a very long vacation. Their stuff just isn't the same anymore and it's no longer the bargain it used to be.

DRYHUMOR
January 8, 2010, 02:47 PM
banjoman2255,

I'm thinking you probably won't ever see expansion at 100 yds or less, unless you hit a bone. Or a very large animal....

spaladino
January 10, 2010, 11:52 AM
Unfortunately, in today's Wal-Mart society, everyone wants more for less, including myself. Old-world craftmanship has gone by the wayside as CMC-machines take control. The desire for quantity versus quality is the Corporate mantra, even though the latter dominates the marketing blurbs. Poor fiscal management and competitors with lower operating costs, are driving quality out of those brands with whom we had loyalties only 10 or 20 years ago. Ughhh...

That deep, ocean depth blueing on yesterday's weapons - gone, unless you spend a small fortune. Today we have "matte blueing" that reduces the expense of quality blueing and polishing. When's the last time you saw real 20-line-per-inch checkering that was sharp, even, and void of CMC machine marks when the checkering even exists? Jeweled and polished bolts? Forget it, unless you have a surplus of funds.

With age comes wisdom thankfully. Rarely ever do you see me visiting the "new" car lot, I'm more often found on the "used" car area. I used to take great pleasure in that new car smell, now I take more pleasure in not taking the 40% value decrease when I drive the vehicle off the lot. It's still new to me.

Same with guns nowadays. I still do my research, create a cost justification for the wife, and fondle the newfangled gadgets, but I always end up in the corner with the one's that other people chose to part with. And I've found, I get a great deal of pleasure of rolling my own, turning the sow's ear into a silk purse, if you will.

The Remington 700 tops my rifle list. Always has, always will. It is fundamentally a solid, strong action, with lots of after-market potential, that hasn't changed much over the years. Has the fundamental engineering quality of the 700 changed? Not in my experience. Has the overall quality of the 700 changed? To some degree, it's hit-or-miss in the past 10 years, rough bores, crappy stocks, and that latest abomination of a trigger.

I've personally turned the "misses" into hits with nothing more than few hours and some easily acquired, inexpensive tools and supplies. Would I buy a new 700 at full-price - I doubt it. Would I buy a used one at a fair price - you betcha!

EP1990
January 10, 2010, 12:22 PM
Remington Is a good base if your building a rifle. But if your not doing any modifications like what PT1911 suggested then its a mediocre rifle. You could get by but its not fantastic.

spaladino
January 10, 2010, 01:26 PM
Agreed.

T.A.Sharps
January 10, 2010, 01:35 PM
I must of got a magical Remington 700.

1/2" - 3/4" at 100 yards with just standard Federal 308's. First range trip, with no work on it but a scope mounting.

Yeah they suck...

lopezni
January 10, 2010, 09:02 PM
If you want a good remington you have to look past the SPS. Which brings the cost up to $699 for a VTR, which are good shooters, but have ugly stock. The 700 BDL, CDL are great. But you are going $800 plus. The point is, it is hard to justify buying a Remington over something else. Unless you are talking shotguns.

earlthegoat2
January 10, 2010, 09:05 PM
I dont buy new guns as a rule.

Hypothetically if I were to buy a new one it would never be a Remington. I have plenty of 70s and 80s ones though. Id get a Savage these days.

The point is, it is hard to justify buying a Remington over something else. Unless you are talking shotguns.

I think the best deal going are Remington shotguns too. But only the ones from 15 or more years ago. Or at least the pre-express days. Used Wingmaster are the best value in shotguns today bar none.

Boba Fett
January 10, 2010, 10:45 PM
Which brings the cost up to $699 for a VTR, which are good shooters, but have ugly stock.

The VTR IMHO is a rifle that doesn't make much sense. Beyond it's looks, the practicality of the rifle is questionable. The "muzzle break" being built into the rifle makes it difficult for modification. But I agree that you should look at something other than a VTR and you likely have to pay more for it if you want to buy a Remington.

I tend to agree with the SniperCentral.com assessment of the rifle:
http://www.snipercentral.com/vtr.htm

The first thing we noticed is that the muzzlebrake really was not that effective at reducing felt recoil. The rifle is fairly light, but not overly so, and the recoil on the rifle felt about the same as a LTR or SPS-Tactical. But the muzzle flip was less which did allow for quicker target acquisition after firing. I thought that the recoil reduction should be more than it was, as it did not seem to perform as well as most of the modern muzzlebrakes on the commercial market. Now, I will admit that we have no equipment for measuring the exact figure in terms of reduced recoil; this is just a personal comparison between rifles we have shot before.

The VTR shoots ok, but I would not say good, at least in comparison to the other heavy barrel Remington rifles available. We did manage to get one sub .5" group at 100 yards, but we had to really work at it. The small group of the day was .448", but the average group size of the good groups fired (meaning no obviously bad called flyers, etc) was only .858". This is not quite up to the normal accuracy we typically will see out of a 700P, LTR, SPS-Varmint, etc. I believe this is due to the drastic reduction of metal that is removed making the triangle barrel profile. Though the accuracy is still sub 1 MOA, it is just not what we have come to expect from Remington tactical/varmint rifles.

So, to conclude, how do we rate this rifle? Personally, I'm not sure what the target market is for the rifle, but I would not take it over any of the other Remington tactical type options out there. If I were looking for a short tactical rifle, I would much prefer to buy a LTR or even a SPS-Tactical where I would get a nicer stock and save some money while I'm at it, not to mention get better accuracy. The Muzzlebrake does not do quite enough to make it a real decision maker over the SPS-Tactical. Unfortunately, I just don't see the advantage of this rifle, but perhaps it'll fill a niche somewhere.

pat86323
January 11, 2010, 01:01 AM
i love my remington 700.....and my stepmom loves hers, and my cousin his, and i love my 870. Any company can put out a lemon but i have had zero complaints with any of the remingtons my family have owned or i have shot, and all of ours are fairly new (except my 870)

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