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Stainlessbutcher
December 29, 2009, 10:25 PM
I know, that title is kinda lame, but it's exactly what I need help with. I want to get my fiance' a rifle for deer hunting here on our farm in TX that won't bruise her, but will still get the job done. Specifically I'm looking for either a bolt action or single shot that can be scoped. I'd buy one of those 30-30/20 ga. over and unders in a heart beat if people wern't asking so freaking much money for them. Ideally, someting in the 7.62 / .30 cal range would be great. I'm rather fond of the 30 cal variety. Any suggestions?

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dmazur
December 29, 2009, 10:41 PM
Depending on her tolerance to recoil, anything larger than .223 in this lineup would be great, IMO -

http://www.ruger.com/products/m77HawkeyeLaminateCompact/models.html

My wife likes her .243 Win and says she isn't interested in even trying my .30-06. She says it hurts just to watch it... :)

The much-maligned .243 is just fine for deer, and hardly any youngster or spouse complains about the recoil. It's there, but it isn't punishing and it usually doesn't cause a flinch.

If she can shoot accurately with it, from field positions, she'll do better than trying to fight a larger caliber that intimidates her.

Obviously, shooters vary in the feminine persuasion and some aren't bothered by recoil. I believe these are somewhat rare...

Anyway, that's my two cents.

MNgunhead
December 29, 2009, 10:41 PM
If she's delicate, try a 243. If she can take a little more recoil go with a 7mm-08. That will drop any whitetail (assuming that's what your hunting) without too much punishment. Just get her out shooting a bunch before she hunts to get her used to the recoil and noise to keep her from being flinchy. If you're shooting short range (100 yards or so) the 30-30 is a real good choice. More deer have been converted to venison with this cartridge than all others combined, even though many think it is underpowered. I don't agree with that school of thought. If you don't handle recoil well, you will do much better with a lighter round like the 30-30. I have a buddy that shoots a 7mm mag and misses damn near every deer he shoots at because he's afraid of the punch he's about to experience every time he shoots. He'd be better off with a milder caliber/cartridge. I have told him this repeatedly, but he's a tough-guy that needs a flame throwing belted magnum to carry around. Good luck and congrats on getting yourself a little gal that wants to hunt with you. You're a lucky man. (by the way, women are naturally better shots then men. I know because I've taught many. It hurts the ego, but it's just simply true.)

sheepdog
December 29, 2009, 10:44 PM
...I know a lot of hunters who hunt successfully with a .243...from little women to big macho men...the cartridge will do the job...maybe a single-shot Handi-rifle type with a scope....

oneounceload
December 29, 2009, 10:46 PM
243, 7-80 are good - but you might also look at something mild like a 257 Roberts

Avenger29
December 29, 2009, 10:48 PM
.243 is an excellent cartridge. I also enjoy shooting a friend's .250-3000 Savage, although I do not own a rifle in that caliber. He has taken plenty of whitetail with that rifle.

Stainlessbutcher
December 29, 2009, 11:09 PM
My pop hunted with a Parker-Hale .243 way back in the day and brought home quite a few deer. Unfortunately, our property is very heaily wooded, so that light a round is likely to cause a lot of misses that would be hits. I've got a pre-64 model 94 in 30-30 and I'm sure she will shoot it, but she does want her own, and I'm not about to part with Daddy's 30-30, nor am I about to plop a thousand dollars down for some fancy stainless steel monstrosity. I'm a simple man, my girl is a simple girl...so we'll use the ol' keep it simple approach. As for recoil, well, she shoots her ill fitted Mossy 12 Ga with out too much complaint, however, since the stock hasn't been fitted yet, it bruises her pretty bad.

B.

bpl
December 29, 2009, 11:10 PM
Roughly in order of light to medium recoil:

.243 Win
30-30
.257 Roberts
.260 Remington
6.5x55 Swede
7x57 Mauser
7mm-08

Lovesbeer99
December 29, 2009, 11:26 PM
There are a few 30-30 bolt actions out there and with modern ammo are great deer guns. Check them out on Gunbroker.

If she is petite get a Reminton mod 7 in 260 remington. Light recoil and great gun. Savage also makes some very good quality guns in various deer calibers at a great price. If you're shooting at close distance, 100 yards or less, a 20 gauge can be perfect.

I've never shot a .243, but from what I've read it's the minimun you need for deer. This usually means that shot placement is also critical or you could be chasing, and losing deer. If she is recoil sensative, a 260 remington should fit the bill just nicely.

Enjoy.

dmazur
December 30, 2009, 12:41 AM
Here's another .243 at a much lower price -

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=151837747

goon
December 30, 2009, 12:43 AM
A CZ-527 in 7.62x39 might be a good choice. I kinda would like to have one (thanks for making this thread - I forgot about that one until you brought it up!).
But what I would do...
Get the girl to the gun store and let her look at them. Have her handle them but make on like you're just killing time. Pay attention to what she likes, then go back and get her one when she's not with you.
Unless you're not trying to make it into a surprise, in which case you can just take her there and buy the damn thing.

little joe
December 30, 2009, 01:07 AM
+1 on the Ruger M77 Hawkeye Laminated Compact rifle.

Either 260 or 7-08

About 7.2# scoped

Good stuff.

GunTech
December 30, 2009, 02:32 AM
Keep in mind that recoil is a function of rifle mass as well as projectile mass and velocity. A heavier rifle of the same caliber will have less recoil energy, so a super light rifle in a lighter caliber may not offer any recoil advantage of a standard weight rifle in a heavier caliber.

project88
December 30, 2009, 03:05 AM
bolt action 7.62x39..there are a couple on the market(cz527 carbine, ruger m77 hawkeye compact, and fn spr usa)...federal and winchester both put out factory loads intended for deer hunting and if u handload there are somr good bullets available for it..and pretty light recoil..

PT1911
December 30, 2009, 03:12 AM
FIRST... take her shopping..
SECOND... look at the .243, .257 rbts, or possibly a .260 if she isnt THAT recoil sensitive.

STAY AWAY FROM.... 30-30 (the nonexistent recoil pad on many can hurt some shooters), the 270 and the 30-06 unless she is just set on them...

RockyMtnTactical
December 30, 2009, 03:18 AM
Pink AR15

Avenger29
December 30, 2009, 03:20 AM
Pink AR15

I know a woman who would slap somebody if they suggested a pink gun to her...

Better let the lady pick out her own gun and her own color.

An AR, however, in a hunting legal caliber would not be a bad choice at all...particuarly with a nice reddot on it...

RockyMtnTactical
December 30, 2009, 03:22 AM
Of course. I was only kidding. I only like mine in Black.

zombienerd
December 30, 2009, 05:22 AM
Seeing nobody else mentioned it yet, I'll throw in my .02

A great first deer gun for the ladies is the Marlin 336 Lever action in .30-30

Easilly scoped, shoots to 200m if you do your part, not very heavy, light recoil, and just plain looks good :)

I've got one myself, and have used it for deer hunting for 16 years now. The wife loves to shoot it too.

Al Thompson
December 30, 2009, 08:49 AM
NEF Handy Rifle in .25-06. Weaver 4 power scope - less than 6 bills if you shop a bit.

jbech123
December 30, 2009, 09:53 AM
...the 30-30 is a real good choice. More deer have been converted to venison with this cartridge than all others combined
The 30-30 is fine, but I wonder if that's even true any more?

There are a few 30-30 bolt actions out there and with modern ammo are great deer guns.
That seems kinda pointless, a 30-30 without any of the good handling properties of a lever gun. A 30-30 bolt gun would work, but a 243 has less recoil and extends your range farther.

our property is very heaily wooded, so that light a round is likely to cause a lot of misses that would be hits. It shouldn't. Studies have been done and the difference between "brushbuster" calibers and more standard high power rounds is way less than most people think. In reality, you should be taking clear shots no matter what you are shooting, trying to bust through stuff between you and the deer is a bad idea. That said, if the property is heavily wooded a lever gun would be plenty, although as someone previously mentioned a 30-30 with no recoil pad gives a little more bump than you might expect.

Quoheleth
December 30, 2009, 10:05 AM
Before you buy a NEF double-duty gun (shotgun/rifle combo) find someone who has one and ask to shoot it. I've seen rifles that shot patterns like shotguns. Others shoot softball-size groups. Too, for me, their recoil is excessive - mostly because the stocks don't fit me well. I shot a 20 gauge twice, put it down, and went back to my Mossberg 500 12 gauge - it felt better to me.

I can't urge you enough to try that gun before you buy it, even in .243.

Q

glockmon
December 30, 2009, 10:18 AM
The recoil of the .270 isn't too bad. It'll take anything in North America .

Uncle Mike
December 30, 2009, 10:22 AM
Remington Model 7-
Savage Model 11 youth-
Ruger M77 Compact-
CZ 527-

260, 7mm-08(best), 243(if you must), 257 Roberts.

Shadow Man
December 30, 2009, 10:26 AM
Ideally, someting in the 7.62 / .30 cal range would be great.

A CZ or similar bolt gun in 7.62x39.

cooks 7
December 30, 2009, 10:53 AM
they are more complicated than a bolt gun but you could look at the ar-10, the semi auto operation would take some recoil out of it, available in many calibers as well. there are other ways of lessening recoil as well, i.e. muzzle break, porting, ect. do a bit of looking around, it all costs money though : )
I like my FNAR, it's a bit heavy if she is petite but recoil is very light. my wife has shot my Savage fp10 in 308 on occasion and it didn't bother her recoil wise, again it's a heavy gun though.
I agree with her on the 30-06 i think they are too much, haven't shot one in years but i recall not being that fond of it.
it's always going to be a trade off with "mountain guns" light guns are nice to carry but not too much fun to shoot, but if it's a hunting only gun how many rounds is she really going to shoot anyway
good luck

LEVRLOVR
December 30, 2009, 11:10 AM
Bolt action .243 would be about perfect I suspect.

Just be sure and get one with an appropriate length and weight for her frame.

Maverick223
December 30, 2009, 02:57 PM
Marlin 336 in .30-30...done. It is powerful enough (to drop deer or larger game), anemic enough (to shoot comfortably for hours), light enough (to carry long distances without tiring), heavy enough (to reduce what little recoil it has), and it is reliable (with a magazine for follow up shots as needed).

:)

iblong
December 30, 2009, 04:08 PM
Im in the 243 camp good for varmint hunting also,Mild recoil and with the right bullet more than enough gun.Provided you teach her proper shot placement and give her plenty of range time before season.

James T Thomas
December 30, 2009, 04:11 PM
Those CZ "carbines" are a great size for her.

Would you consider the 257 Roberts or the 6.5 mm Swede?
They are both quite adequate and light in recoil.

subman47
December 30, 2009, 04:20 PM
Savage 10GXP 243 with Remington 100GR. Core-Lokt 10 deer this year on deer damage permit, 100yds to 150 yds plus light recoil

achildofthesky
December 30, 2009, 04:33 PM
Lot's of good suggestions here. Do consider getting some thing you can sell or are interested in keeping for your self if she decides to not like the sport...

jogar80
December 30, 2009, 04:48 PM
My wife wants to go deer hunting but cant shoot anything with recoil. Pretty much loves .22lr, lol. I think I'm gonna fix her up a .243 with a muzzle brake.

Speedo66
December 30, 2009, 04:48 PM
6.5x55 Swede. Light recoil, extremely accurate, and more hard hitting than you would think.

Considered excellent moose cartridge in Sweden.

Maverick223
December 30, 2009, 05:26 PM
Considered excellent moose cartridge in Sweden.Crazy Europeans...they also consider it plenty for brown bear! :what: It is undoubtedly a great cartridge...but I ain't taking it on a bear hunt.

The only problem that I see with a 6.5x55mm is the cost of the rifle, and cartridge availability (if the O.P. doesn't reload), but if that isn't an issue it is a great rifle, that can reach out a great deal further than a .30-30.

:)

MJR007
December 30, 2009, 06:40 PM
Perfect:

http://cz-usa.com/products/view/cz-550-fs/

Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow
December 30, 2009, 07:01 PM
Yeah, ditto - any number of guns in .243 Win, or a CZ 527 in 7.62x39.

cz85cmbt
December 30, 2009, 07:34 PM
If you are looking at distances of about 150yds that cz in 7.62x39 will be great. I don't know what part of texas you are in so who knows if you need something that will shoot along ways without drop. Lever 30-30, .357, or .44 will also do the trick well, of course the handgun calibers are stretching past 100 yds. Marlin xl bolt rifles are the best buy in bolt guns today shooting around an inch at the price of 279-340 and can be had in .243, 7mm-08, and .25-06 might not be too tough on your soon to be either. If you reload the .308 is still in the mix because you can dowload to .30-30 velocities.

DEFOXER
December 30, 2009, 07:53 PM
I know the 30-30 is historically a popular cal over there in the US of A - story goes however that its lost about as many deer as its taken...probably on account of shot placement more than anything though. Take as much can as you can handle; my other half totes a 375H&H, although she is yet to chase a Sambar with it she handles it & rides the recoil well. Although not really a girl gun, dont think that being female means they should be limited to questionable deer calibre. Over here in the deep deep south (Australia) the minimum is 270 calibre ( with 2 inch shell) for Sambar.

W.E.G.
December 30, 2009, 08:03 PM
Marlin 336 with stock shortened to fit the shooter, and soft recoil pad installed.

Noobs do AWFUL hunting with iron sights.
Put a decent 3x-9x scope on it.
Teach her to shoot, using a tree-trunk as a support.

Tirod
December 30, 2009, 08:06 PM
You want the lightest recoiling flattest shooting caliber. No .30 will do that, not .308, .30-06, .30-30, 7.62 x39, nuttin. And the slow ones have bullet drop measured in yards, why handicap her with ancient technology?

Get an AR in 6.8 SPC. It can take game out to 500 yards, is a light recoiling platform, handles easy with a 16 barrel, has plenty of commerical ammo at Walmart prices (cheaper that .30-30 Leverevolution,) and can be easily upgraded to what accessories she wants - or a complete change of caliber later.

It's all win-win.

MJR007
December 30, 2009, 08:17 PM
I wanted to add, the ladies in my family that hunt like the pretty rifles best. They also hang onto guns more than men. This rifle will most likely be with her a very long time. Don't go cheap on the glass. Buy what you would buy for yourself. It sounds like you found a good women, the best of luck to you.

ColeK
December 30, 2009, 08:29 PM
CZ 527 Carbine is a compact rifle (18.5 barrel) with iron sights available in .223 and 7.62x39.
A Savage Model 14 American Classic chambered for a .250 Savage or a .300 Savage.
My personal fav's are Ruger Ultralight or Hawkeye chambered for the .257 Roberts.

MJR007
December 30, 2009, 08:37 PM
This is better than a rock!

http://www.gunsamerica.com/937221083/Guns/Rifles/Cooper-Arms-Rifles/COOPER_ARMS_21_CUSTOM_CLASSIC_6_8SPC.htm#

Maverick223
December 30, 2009, 09:02 PM
This is better than a rock!...but rocks cost a whole lot less. :p

oldfool
December 30, 2009, 09:40 PM
there is no such thing as a "girl gun", get over it
your girl just might be a 30-06 or 45-70 girl
like they said, have her try a few (shoot if can, if not, at least have her throw a few up to her own shoulder).. she will pick one out
no offense to AR people, but 223 ain't a whitetail cartridge (as many state DNRs will tell you)

now that I have said the obligatory (and sincerely honest) thing
like most guy people, I do think a tad shorter/lighter for ladies (even if not always true),
"yardstick" guns

NEF single shot, pretty hefty weight, pretty short, low felt recoil in 243, less opportunity for inexperienced hunters to make mistakes re: "buck fever" running shots, one shot is all you get, which is actually not a bad thing, even for non-beginners.. use a low power scope

BOLT ACTIONS -
Remington model 7 in 243 (some call it a youth size, but not me), mighty handy
Ruger MarkII Compact in 243, extreme similar "yardstick" carbine,
both are 1st class whitetail deer rifles

LEVER ACTIONS -
Marlin "Spikehorn" (if you can find one) in 30-30 (youth model)
ain't a whitetail buck yet born which will not drop with a kill zone hit from a 30-30
although petite milady likes her 18" barrel 30-30 Marlin just real fine, not the Spikehorn model, but mebbe as hard to find (?)

or maybe (?) "best bet" of all, a lever action 38/357, legal in most states for whitetail, 357 mag plenty good enuff at in-the-woods ranges
and no handloads required... shoots 38 special range fodder just fine (recoils about as hard as a 22 rimfire), but 125-158 gr 357 JHP or JSP rounds perform a whole lot like 30-30 at <100 yards, with a lot less felt recoil
Marlin 1894C if you want a scope on it,
brazilia (Rossi/LSI/etc) '92 for slimmer, trimmer, lighter with open sights

PS
Texas deer ain't elk
been there, and loved it, but Texas whitetail ain't elk
if expecting to shoot >100 yards go with the 243, certainly does not kill better than 30-30, but shoots flatter of course, well beyond 100 yards

Saint Dennis
December 30, 2009, 09:49 PM
Fit is much more important than caliber. Buy a rifle for her, then have the stock cut down to fit her. Stock rifles are made for medium sized men. My wife shoots a 270 no problem but we had to have two inches cut off the stock. Let her pick out the rifle, then have a smith fit it for her.

cz85cmbt
December 30, 2009, 10:09 PM
Defoxer, with words like that you will start another .30-30 flame war in this room. I had to cool my jets a little before I posted. Not so much because I love the .30-30 but because people always have to f-ing out gun themselves with "on paper" ballistics.
I do agree with some who have posted about the fit of the rifle being important, but recoil can scare a new shooter even if the platform they use fits them and they are in proper position to receive it. Here is a link to a table that shows recoil of a myriad of calibers hope it helps.
http://www.chuckhawks.com/recoil_table.htm

oldfool
December 30, 2009, 10:35 PM
easy now, Defoxer being an Aussie, he probably don't know that us yankees shoot moose and Grizz with 270's

(and that we only shoot heftier stuff because we are just fond of loud noises, having had so many British cannon fired at us every now and then)
;)

spazzymcgee
December 30, 2009, 11:26 PM
mild recoil huh? i'd suggest something in the .700 nitro express caliber:D

alemonkey
December 30, 2009, 11:31 PM
My wife absolutely loves my Stevens Favorite in .22LR with a peep sight. If I was going to buy her a centerfire I'd think about a Ruger No.1 in .243. Probably not everyone's cup of tea, but I love single shots and she likes them too.

DEFOXER
December 31, 2009, 12:32 AM
GRIZZLY WITH A 270????? omg, with a 375 chaser perhaps? I'm not disrespecting the 30-30, plenty use them down here and honestly for a big sambar its probably borderline. With the thick scrub in the bush here the difference with an animal expiring after 50m or 500m is significant; empty freezer...
At the hands of an experienced hunter who can place the shot correctly at an extended range, or at al; great (AI better).
cz85cmbt, you're correct about outgunning yourself in the sense that if you can't place the bullet in the right place, due to recoil or a flinch....step down a notch. At the same time though if you're comfortable step up for the added insurance
British cannons, good one oldfool!

defoxer

cz85cmbt
December 31, 2009, 01:04 AM
Sure, a .270 with the right bullet. The winchester fail safe, nosler, or barnes would get the job done on a grizzly. There are dudes that hunt them with long bows, not that I would. And besides big salt water crocs, all Australia's big beasties are feral. Last time you guys had big wild creatures was the Pleistocene era. Just kidding. My point in not outgunning yourself is to practice a lot and people don't practice with heavy kickers much, and you shouldn't. If you practiced with a 458 win a lot you would develop a flinch. Most heavy magnums don't really out shine their competition until they hit 400 yards and most guys shouldn't shoot game that far away. Here in maine it's hard to find 400 yards of open space.

Stainlessbutcher
December 31, 2009, 02:13 AM
Lots of great suggestions, let me touch on a few points that will perhaps narrow it down a bit. I will be loading the ammo, so I can load milder, but I do want easily accessible brass, so no oddball things like 6.5 carcano and such(I'm new to reloading) Must be able to take a standard scope with no offset. She will eventually learn iron sites, but not to start. CHEAP! I'm not going to invest a boatload of money in a gun she will maybe use three times a year, or perhaps lose interest in after one season. I'll be shopping for used, possibly sportized milsurp as well as the new stuff. *edit* I've got a pre-64 winchester 94 in 30-30, but that is MINE!...LOL

B.

Maverick223
December 31, 2009, 02:19 AM
I've got a pre-64 winchester 94 in 30-30, but that is MINE!Now, now kids...share. :D

husker
December 31, 2009, 02:59 AM
rem Mohawk 600 in 243

Maverick223
December 31, 2009, 03:32 AM
rem Mohawk 600 in 243Not a bad choice (though I believe they have steadily crept up in price over the past few years)...and it reminds me of something: if you plan to have kids later on, this rifle could do double duty (probably thinking way too far ahead...but perfect for both nevertheless).

:)

husker
December 31, 2009, 03:38 AM
YA. there not cheap any more. but i will always have at least 1 Great little walking rifle

DEFOXER
December 31, 2009, 05:06 AM
back to the question though......consider a Stevens bolt action rifle - if you go for a 30-06 you could download (within the safe lower limit though). Beauty of the Savage system is that with a simple barrel nut tool, or even a monkey wrench, and a go gauge you can swap between barrels yourself without a smith. There are plenty of chambered threaded & crowned barrels available. You could start off with a 223 then swap an '06 or 300winmag barrel later or indeed almost ANY cartridge with the correct bolt end/face swapped in. The 378 weatherby case size I would probably not chance as there would remain insufficient meat around the chamber though I think its been done. I awaiting delivery of a 300 win mag in the next fortnight will then acquire a second barrel for swapping either 358STA or a backup H&H
defoxer

billybob44
December 31, 2009, 06:02 AM
Here's another .243 at a much lower price -

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=151837747
Can't go wrong with a Rem. 700. But this one will probably go for 750-$800 before it's sold.

billybob44
December 31, 2009, 06:10 AM
Im in the 243 camp good for varmint hunting also,Mild recoil and with the right bullet more than enough gun.Provided you teach her proper shot placement and give her plenty of range time before season.
I'm kind of with you..6MM Rem. would be another option. A little more case capacity=a little more range+can double as a varmint gun. Can be had in the Rem. 700 models.

oldfool
December 31, 2009, 10:31 AM
I know the 30-30 is historically a popular cal over there in the US of A - story goes however that its lost about as many deer as its taken...probably on account of shot placement more than anything though. Take as much can as you can handle; my other half totes a 375H&H, although she is yet to chase a Sambar with it she handles it & rides the recoil well. Although not really a girl gun, dont think that being female means they should be limited to questionable deer calibre. Over here in the deep deep south (Australia) the minimum is 270 calibre ( with 2 inch shell) for Sambar.
all kidding aside, for those (Aussies and Yankees) that don't already know, Sambar are not whitetail deer...

Whitetails average ~200 # or so, but range in size about 2:1
World record whitetail is ~ 500#, Minnesota
Minnesota whitetail most typically tend to be "larger", Texas whitetail tend to be "smaller"
(Texas whitetail translation for Aussies = "large goat")
Sambar average ~ 450#, and a big one can go 1000-1200#
(Yankee translation for Sambar = "Elk")

most of us yankees would not be recommending 243 or 30-30 for Elk, and many of us would think 270 very suitable for elk , and also agree than a heavier/larger slower bullet than 270 a good choice in heavy brush

Brimic
December 31, 2009, 11:43 AM
.243, .260 rem, 6.5x55 swede.

Art Eatman
December 31, 2009, 12:01 PM
A .243 will kill any deer that ever walked Texas. A handloader can use 100-grain bullets at starting-load velocities and not have undue recoil even in a fairly light rifle.

No such thing as a "girl" rifle. Small-stature, maybe, but rifles generally aren't interested in the sex life of the shooter.

Hunting in woods won't make a bullet hit a limb. Only the shooter can do that. And no bullet of whatever size can avoid being deflected by a limb.

Odds are, one of these "youth" rifles wouldn't need modification of the stock for proper length of pull for a smaller person, and thus wouldn't lose value from being modified. Just something to check into...

jbech123
December 31, 2009, 12:10 PM
there is no such thing as a "girl gun", get over it
your girl just might be a 30-06 or 45-70 girl

You can always find exceptions, but trends do tend to pop up. You hear much more "my girl loves to shoot my ___(.22, AR, 243)" than you hear how much they love to to sit at a bench for a long session with a 378 weatherby. The reason is simple, because on the whole they are of slighter build. Unless they are gun nuts, there are certain things I've noticed with the ladies on a pretty wide scale...they like lighter recoil, and they'd rather shoot than tinker. They can do anything - my wife has shot my 375 h&h and she's all of 120lbs, and one time figured out a broken part on my 1911 before I did. But give her an AR-15 with irons and some 12" steel swinging targets at 300-400 yards and she has more fun than a shopping spree in a jewelry store.

wishin
December 31, 2009, 12:28 PM
But give her an AR-15 with irons and some 12" steel swinging targets at 300-400 yards and she has more fun than a shopping spree in a jewelry store.

Now, that's a keeper!;)

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