Going to try to add to my collection. Any reason not to get this Marlin 1894ss. I think it would add to the shooting experience, maybe not this marlin but a lever action rifle. I think that it is a must have to get for a collection dont you?
So is there anything I should know before I try to get this one. Is there a better one out there I should look at.
Yes or no? I like the stainless steel look of this. Probably dont want to get into any exotic caliber or put a scope on it. Just want a new fun gun to shoot that is different than what I have now.
Dont really know anything about them, just that I dont own one yet.
Probably not a big fan of the sights on this though. Is the front one, one of those hooded sights I find those to block your view of the target some so would those be a problem to change out to something better (that I could do and not mess it up) if I got this.
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December 30, 2009, 07:21 PM
DO IT - JUST DO IT!!
I have a 44mag guide gun - I changed the sights - LeveRevolution 44 mag round - WOW - great round
December 30, 2009, 07:22 PM
I have one in .44mag ---- works 100% and is accurate , powerfull , and looks great -- whats not to like !!!
December 30, 2009, 07:28 PM
Buy one take the hood off the front sight and put one of these on the rear http://skinnersights.com/ . I love mine.
December 30, 2009, 07:50 PM
Buy it and change the sights
December 30, 2009, 07:57 PM
Yes YES Yes Yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
December 30, 2009, 08:03 PM
Oh ya, I got it 357. I put a scope on it. Well made, easy to clean, tons of fun and accurate.
December 30, 2009, 08:36 PM
I think it would add to the shooting experience, maybe not this marlin but a lever action rifle. I think that it is a must have to get for a collection dont you?
Oddly enough, I just ordered a lever gun today. A Rossi 92 will be at my local FFL in a few days. I can't wait. Maybe my next will be a Marlin 94.
December 30, 2009, 08:49 PM
The only thing about the Marlin .44s is that, according to Buffalo Bore, the twist is insufficient to stabilize heavy (300+ grain) loads. This is apparently not the case with their other rifles, only .44. My levergun is definitely a bear defense gun, so that matters to me.
December 30, 2009, 09:45 PM
You are correct mine will not shoot the lee 310 gr WFNGC which actually weighs 315 gr cast with W.W. and gas check installed. But it does shoot the 265RD cast bullet very well.
December 30, 2009, 10:55 PM
an excellent gun, i much perfer to the Winchester dure to it's solid top
i got mine by accident. i was looking for a M39a in .22lr, but couldn't find one. stumbled across a 1894CB with the longer octogon barrel in ,38/,357mag and couldn't pass it up
the short barrel in stainless looks very nice and handy
December 30, 2009, 11:23 PM
The iron sights are great.
Scoped the gun (30-30) with my wifes rifle scope and shoot sub 1 inch groups at a 100 yards. My next one is a 357 mag.
The 45-70 guide in SS is super. a plinking round for it, 240-260 grain lead bullet with 12 grains of unique. Use a 1/4 inch square of quilt batting to fill empty space in case. Much like shoot a 38 special in a 357. AWESOME
December 30, 2009, 11:41 PM
Can't go wrong with a marlin 1894. I like the .357 if I just had to choose one. Cheaper to shoot by a long shot especially if you don't reload and you can pug squirrels with .38's and deer and other medium game with .357 loads. Pretty versatile.
December 30, 2009, 11:45 PM
Yes or no?
December 30, 2009, 11:47 PM
December 30, 2009, 11:48 PM
I have one in .44mag ---- works 100% and is accurate , powerfull , and looks great -- whats not to like !!!
December 31, 2009, 12:52 AM
December 31, 2009, 12:56 AM
I really like my Marlin .308MXLR but I chose a Henry Big Boy for my .44 Mag. You should give it a try as well. Much smoother action
Before you buy the Marlin, I suggest you check out a Henry Levergun...
THE HENRY WARRANTY
Henry Repeating Arms stands behind its products as it has historically. We offer a simple limited lifetime warranty; if you have a problem at any time, and it's our fault, we will correct the problem immediately and at no charge. The warranty does not cover excessive wear and tear to parts, and accidental damage.
I own a Henry .22 lever action and the wood and workmanship is fantastic.
I admired this 1894CSS rifle enough to buy one a few days ago. I already have the same rifle in .44M and it is easily the funnest gun I own. I reload both .44M and .357M so getting the Marlin in .357 was an easy choice for me.
The front sight hood was in the box with the gun. I snapped it into place and took a look at the sight picture. I'll probably take it off since I never missed a hood on my .44M Marlin, and I've never been disappointed with its accuracy.
So far I like the iron sights on my 1894, but I do like knowing that many sight options exist for me if I want some optic or peep sight in the future.
I expect my pair of 1894 Marlins to hold up well enough to give to my kids when I quite shooting 30 years from now.
Already someone pointed out how easy it is to clean the Marlin 1894 relative to the Winchester 1892 lever gun design.
December 31, 2009, 01:36 AM
YES I love mine. Partners nice with my S&W 629 Classic. I'm now looking to get the 1894Css to partner with my 686+
It is a great accurate rifle...one I will not part with...ever.
December 31, 2009, 04:29 AM
Problem isn't the 300gr bullets its the overall length of the cartridges. Some of those 300gr+ loads won't FIT as they are compressed powder loads, and the OAL is not going to fit the Marlin's chamber.
Most factory ammo will fit and load just fine. Marlin makes a great rifle and they are fun as hell to shoot.
December 31, 2009, 01:26 PM
I think that the Henry's are more than I want to spend but look nice.
I thought that they stopped makeing the Winchesters and I dont know what a solid top is so I dont know if I would like it also.
That 30-30 1984ss looks nice. I like the stock and price.
Question should I be worried about the tip of the bullets (30-30) resting against the primers of the ones in front of it when it is in the tube? What if you go to lean it against something and it drops out of your hand would a round go off causing a chain reaction/explosion?
This would be for the collection and for the experience to shoot a lever action rifle. So I mostly use those flatnose wadcutters .44 in my revolver. What ammo was used back in the day? Was it a .44 or something different? Even though it is a new rifle would like to say that it is the same round etc as used back then. Then on the other hand I really dont want to buy a bunch of different rounds when I can use the same round in my revolver if they didnt use a .44 back in the day.
December 31, 2009, 01:43 PM
He was talking about the Marlin having a solid receiver top.
The Winchester ejects straight up out the top.
You can mount a scope on top of a Marlin, but not on the Winchester.
Also, most all of the Winchesters are built on the 94 action, which is 30-30 length.
A much longer action and longer then it needs to be for the .44 Mag.
My local gunstore has three of them in stock 689.00 plus tax. I wonder if they are going to give me a good deal since I just bought three others from them this month. I hate that they know that you want it though. I think that may be a bit high but it is local. I always ask what they can do on the price, all the time it is at least a twenty spot off the top and a box of ammo one of my last guns they paid all of the tax. I dont know, I may have to stop in I am going on that side of town anyways.
Any of you guys buy local and if is do you always get the same sales person so that they know your face. I always get a different person. I just ask, because like I said I always ask "can you do anything with that" and point at the price tag. They take it in the back and ask someone but like i said it is always a different salesperson.
Anyways 689 to much might be to late by the time you tell me not to get it. I may be off to do some hagglen.
December 31, 2009, 01:52 PM
rc thanks I read what he wrote wrong.
I like the solid top receiver also.
December 31, 2009, 02:23 PM
I guess the 30-30 was used back in the day.
December 31, 2009, 02:34 PM
First off, the picture you posted looks like it is polished stainless, and mine is a brushed matte finish. just a heads up.
I bought an 1894ss 44 mag for 500 on gunbroker a year ago, so you may be able to do better if you keep your eyes open. budsguns has them for 581 delivered.
I'm a big fan of stainless and every time I find a spot of rust or worry about a gun in a case in a humid environment I become a bigger fan. They're easier to slick up too since I can polish anything and not worry about messing up the blueing or having to reblue parts. (and they do need some slicking up and lightening of springs)
That said, my blue 1984c 357 looks better and the 1.5 inch shorter barrel handles better than the stainless 44. marlin has a deluxe model out now that has fancy wood (yum!) I also heard rumors of a stainless 357 coming out this year, but I haven't seen them.
the marlin 336's in 30/30 are also good guns, but I didn't enjoy shooting them as much so I sold mine. They're more useful for hunting and they're cheaper though. ($400 or less at wally world) the 30/30 round is almost exclusively used in lever guns so all bullets are blunt tipped and safe to put in a tube magazine. As long as you don't use some sort of odd shaped 357 or 44 armor piercing round the same goes for the pistol caliber guns. As far as authenticity goes, the 38 special and the 44 mag did not exist in the cowboys and indians days (though I believe 45LC did) so just use whatever is available and cheap. My guns do not like semi-wadcutters and the 357 likes 357's more than 38's. They cycle smoother.
and you can scope a winchester, but it's a side mount job that looks awkward.
December 31, 2009, 02:42 PM
Don't get the Marlin, get an M1 Carbine. That is the greatest anything for everyone. It has a detachable magazine don't you know? :neener:
Sorry I couldn't resist. I read an earlier thread that was hyjacked by M1 carbine enthusiasts. The person who started the thread was asking if one of 3 firearms was a good choice. The Marlin 1894 was one of the three. He mistakenly put carbine in the thread.
Anyway, the Marlin is a great rifle. I really like them and have handled more than a few.
December 31, 2009, 02:50 PM
Here is a disclaimer from Buffalo Bore Ammo on their .44 +P+...
Heavy .44 Magnum +P+ Ammo - 340 gr. L.F.N. - G.C. (1,478 fps/M.E. 1,649 ft. lbs.) - 20 Round Box
NEW HEAVY 44 MAGNUM +P+
This new load is designed for only certain revolvers that have the cylinder length to handle it. They are as follows. Ruger Red Hawk, Ruger Super Red Hawk, Ruger Super Blackhawk or Vaquero, Freedom Arms Model 83, Taurus Raging Bull and Dan Wesson Revolvers. Suitable rifles include T/C Encore, "modified" Marlin 1894, Winchester 1894, any rifle with a falling block action and the Handi Rifle.
What do we mean above by "modified" Marlin? Marlin (for an unknown, not well thought out reason) is using a very slow rate of twist (1/38 inches) on their 1894 chambered in 44 mag. Because of this slow rate of twist, the heaviest bullet that the factory Marlin will stabilize is about 270grs. Other firearm makers that chamber for the 44 mag all use a much faster rate of twist so that their guns will stabilize and therefore accurately shoot bullets over 300grs. Many folks today want their 44 magnums to be able to utilize the heavy 300gr. and heavier bullets - Marlin has not figured this out. If you want decent accuracy out of our new +p+ load in a Marlin, it will need to be re-barreled with a twist rate of roughly 1/20 inch. I have Dave Clay re-barrel all my Marlin 1894's with a faster twist barrel. A 44 magnum that wont accurately shoot 300gr. or heavier bullets is useless to me. Call him at 817-783-6099 for pricing.
This load brings a level of power to the 44 mag. that has never before been known.
This is why I don't already own a Marlin .44 Mag lever rifle.
December 31, 2009, 02:51 PM
Thanks greyling. I was looking at the bullet and seen the blunt tip,(didnt know). I was going to ask if the 30-30 was any fun to shoot. Anyone?
Why didnt you like it much?
They are a bit pricey at my gun store but I have paid more for less I would imagine. 689 for the 1894ss in stock or 600 for a 336 stainless (30-30) and I would have to have them order it.
They do have a 336w but I guess that has cheaper wood for the stock and it is blued so I dont think I will think about that one to much.
December 31, 2009, 02:53 PM
I've got the m1 carbine too. I like the marlins better though. I don't go through as much ammo and the brass is easier to find.
December 31, 2009, 02:57 PM
BULLSI - I do have a Marlin 336W and really enjoy shooting it. And, with Hornady Leverevolution ammo, it's effective out to 300 yards. I think it's a great hunting gun and it is FUN to shoot. 30-30 ammo is also plentiful and relatively cheap.
December 31, 2009, 03:03 PM
the 30/30 kicked more than I found pleasant. I never compared them back to back, but the 1894 shooting 38's has almost no recoil, the 357 and 44 special recoil about the same, but still very comfortable. and the 44 mag the most, but still about 1/2 the recoil of the 30/30.
I am 6'4" 155lbs with a bony shoulder and just don't like being beaten around by recoil. I like 9mm better than 45, .223 better than 30-06. I like carbines better than full size rifles. my wife is about 5'8" 115lbs, no meat on her either and she can handle the 44mag without complaint, but didn't much care for the 30/30 either.
however, you can find a decent used 30/30 for less than $300.
December 31, 2009, 03:20 PM
I dont know what to do know Big bill keps talking me out of the 44. I thought I could live with a 270 gr bullet but I dont know if I like the limitation anymore. Wouldnt want to get a new gun and have the barrel rerifled. The 336w just has a hardwood stock and isnt stainless.
I should just go to bed.
December 31, 2009, 03:21 PM
I have a wrecked shooting shoulder from a motorcycle accident 6 years ago. I am able to continue enjoying shooting with my .357 1894c and my .22 rifles. Those and my handguns allow me great range time and varmint control plus I know I have HD options.
I can shoulder and shoot my 12ga 870 with 2 3/4 slug rounds but it ain't a bunch-o-fun. I even put a decelerator pad on my 30-30 which I've never considered to be a heavy hitting caliber.
December 31, 2009, 03:34 PM
below is a lsit of every 44 mag round cabelas sells (that I could find). only the buffalo bore and the grizzly make a 44 mag larger than 250 grains. Can a 44 mag be loaded with a heavy bullet, yes. is there a mass produced (walmart sold) round for it? no. don't sweat it.
I prefer my 357 to my 44, but I prefer stainless to blued. If I had to keep just one I would probably keep the 44 and give the 357 to my wife. (that's not cheating right?)
December 31, 2009, 04:03 PM
Big Bill keps talking me out of the 44.Sorry for that my friend. I just wanted you to be aware of some of the limitations of the .44 Marlin.
Greyling is correct. If you don't mind the .44 Marlin's slow twist rate of 1:38 then you should get one. However, if recoil is a problem with the .44 Mag, then perhaps you should get a .357 Marlin instead. The twist rate of the Marlin .357 is 1:19, so you don't have to worry about what you shoot in it either.
BTW, Marlin does make the 336 SS which is stainless, and is a 30-30, and looks great. If you need the gun for home defense or self defense in a short range situation, then the .357 1894 Marlin would be a great choice, especially if you use a .357 revolver.
However, if you want a nice hunting gun in stainless steel that you can use for longer range hunting and pass down to your heirs, then perhaps the Marlin 336SS is the way to go.
Beautiful isn't it? And, It has a 1:10 twist rate.
I have killed everything from deer to elk with my old Winchester 30-30, and like the round for hunting. I wouldn't feel under-gunned with a 30-30 for bear or for a self defense round. But, I'd never shoot one at an intruder inside my home. There would be just too much penetration. And, since recoil isn't a problem for me, I could care less about it in regard to my rifles. BTW, my standard hunting rifle is a .300 WSM.
I'm an old codger who lives in Idaho and have used practically ever caliber out there. We have lots of long range hunting here. I killed my first deer when I was 12 YO with my Winchester 94 (pre 64) 30-30 and hunted exclusively with it till I was 25. So, I'm prejudiced to the 30-30. I still have that old gun.
I wish you the best. I'm sorry if I just clouded the issue for ya. But, I've found it helpful, before I buy a gun, to research it as best as I can before I buy. Then, I'm less likely to be disappointed and won't get rid of the gun in a hurry just because I don't like something about it. And, instead of buying your gun locally and paying two times the price, I'd do some price comparisons. At the very least, knowing the real market value will help you negotiate when you go to buy the gun of your choice.
Thanks - Bill
PS - BTW, IMHO, stainless is harder to keep clean than a regular blued gun.
PPSS - I wouldn't worry so much about the ammo differences. What if you buy a rifle and handgun that uses the same ammo and then they quit making it? The old timers didn't worry that much about it and neither should you. Having a pistol cartridge rifle is a nice concept in theory, but perhaps not so smart in actual practice. Remember that a pistol is what you use to fight your way to your rifle. What sense does that make if your rifle is also a PISTOL?
December 31, 2009, 04:13 PM
I've already got 1894s in both .357 and .44 Mag. Had 'em for 20 years or more. They're both blued models and good shooters. Trigger was danged heavy on the .44, but I did the Wild West trigger upgrade a few months ago. Now the trigger's fine. The .357's trigger has always been good.
Think I'll wait for Marlin to put the .50 S&W in a levergun and then buy one of those in stainless. Anyone at Marlin listening.....?
December 31, 2009, 06:21 PM
Think I'll wait for Marlin to put the .50 S&W in a levergun and then buy one of those in stainless. Anyone at Marlin listening.....? I don't think they've figured out how to stabalize a +P+ .340 gr .50 cal. bullet in a levergun - yet. :)
January 1, 2010, 05:14 AM
So I go to look at the rifles at the local store. They had a decent selection and after looking I came to the conclusion that I liked the Marlins best out of the lot.
So I go up front and ask I a guy if I could order a rifle. Has ask me what barrel length I wanted. I said I didnt know what barrel length can I get? So anyways he goes get a brochure and hands it to me then walks off. I'm standing there waiting then this other guy gets done, I ask him if they can do anything on the price of the 44 marlin because I was still on the fence on which one I wanted. We go and get one he walks with it to the back, comes back says that the price on the 44 was 779 and is marked at 689 and that it was already discounted and that was the price. Then about a second later he walks off with the gun to put it back before I even had a chance to think about it.
Now this is the same guy a year ago I asked about a pistol and he wouldn't deal with me and said the same thing about the pistol being priced as mark. So after buying nine guns from this store in the past 18 months I know that there is wiggle room in the price. I have also talked/ asked this guy questions about products in their store I wanted and always got the feeling that I was waisting his time by being there buying something. Soooo... anyways.
I look at he girl that works there the other guy is gone, I say "So he just takes the gun and walks off with it, what am I suppose to do go walk the other way?" which was towards the door. She just looks at me and gives me the I dont know and shruggs. Then I left.
I'm just going to get it somewhere else I guess.
January 1, 2010, 09:41 AM
Bullsi, that's a sad story, but you might want to scan Gunbroker.com to get a fix on prices. Looks like a NIB stainless 1894 in .44 Mag. will go for around $650 at auction. The blued version is going for about $550.
If the rifle you looked at was stainless, $689 isn't a bad price. By the time you pay the FFL transfer fee, you'll be there. If it was blued, you can do better on gunbroker or auctionarms.com. I've had very good luck with online gun purchases from established sellers.
Sounds to me like the guy who showed you the gun had his eye on it himself.
January 1, 2010, 10:39 AM
I have read some stuff on leverguns.com about guys that have had quite good success with 300 grain hardcast solids in their .44 slow twist Marlins. They have dismissed the 270 grain limit as nonsense. Now, the 320 grainers could be a problem.
I think the only reason I would want these very heavy bullets would be for self defense against bears, and then accuracy doesn't matter a whole lot. Hard to claim self-defense for shots over a few yards.
I have shot mulitple deer with Winchester 250 grain partitions out of a 4 inch revolver. They are devasting. Massive damage and always complete penetration. Out of a rifle, they should be eye-openning. I will try them with my new 1894SS next fall.
January 1, 2010, 11:49 AM
Don't give up on the .44. The straight wall pistol cases of the .357 and the .44 are much easier to reload than bottleneck rifle cartridges. With a carbide sizing die, turning out ammo in quantity is relatively easy. Since they headspace on the rim, it's hard to go wrong there.
Cartridges like the .30-30 and .35 Rem need to be lubed before sizing and then cleaned off afterwards. Makes the process messier and more time consuming. Plus the cases grow and thin a bit with each firing limiting case life.
If you ever expect to get into reloading, the .44 would be a clear choice.
January 1, 2010, 08:06 PM
I have a Marlin '94 in .45 Colt (and revolvers) and love it. My only regret is that it's blued and not stainless. The Marlins are great rifles and I definitely plan on adding .357 and .44 Magnum '94s (both in stainless) to my collection to accompany my revolvers in the same calibers. I may even end up with a .454 Casull lever action to keep the Alaskan company.
January 1, 2010, 11:36 PM
I think you will find out the 240gr bullet will do everything you want to do with a 44 mag lever gun. If you want deeper penetration use a nosler 250gr partition or a hard cast lead bullet. The case on the 44 doesn't have a lot of powder capacity and a 300gr bullet makes it even smaller. I shot a deer with my 44 mag this year and it blew right through the chest. It most likely would have went through 3 deer if they had been lined up.
If you want to shoot heavy bullets get a 45-70. It will blow the doors off of any sane 44 mag load. The 94 action is not a super strong action and hot loads will just beat it up. Mid range loads are a hoot to shoot.
I own marlin 94s in 32, 357 and 44 mag plus a 30-30 and a model 39 in 22lr. My favorite of them all is the 357. Mine is blued and has never rusted. I don't think SS is needed unless you just like the way it looks.
It sounds like you need to find a new shop to do business with also. Life is too short to deal with *********s.
Here is one on GB now. http://v2.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=152135962
That one is $525 plus $25 for shipping. Then $20-25 on your end unless you have it sent to the same idiots you have been dealing with and god only knows what the transfer fee may be, if they will do the deal at all. GB has a list of transfer dealers in your area.
January 2, 2010, 12:54 PM
I was lucky enough to aquire one each of the 1894SS LTDs in all three chamberings a couple of years ago. .357,.44 and .45LC.(actualy I got the .45LClast year). They all have black/grey laminate straight grip stocks,16.25" barrels,firestights and are stainless. I shoot the .357 the most. Can't decide on a favorite tho'.
Google "the marlin jam" and fix thisone problem the factory seems too lazy to.Not that common but if it does happen the action is bound up for good until ya' get it fixed via tools not carried in the field!!!!!!
Slicking up the action is relitively easy and advised.
Coolest thing is being able to use .38spl and .44spl...I have not yet tried using .44S&W tho'.
January 2, 2010, 08:08 PM
This new load is designed for only certain revolvers that have the cylinder length to handle it. That suggests an OVERALL LENGTH issue, NOT a twist rate issue. Completely different discussions.
Marlin's 1894 can certainly handle a 300 gr Prvi Partizan bullet, I've fired a bunch through mine at out to about 125 yards.
January 7, 2010, 08:53 PM
Inthe past year Marlin has returned to the deep cut ballard type of rifling for this very reason.If you ask the tech's at Marlin they went back to the deep instead of microgroove to stabilize the heavier bullets such as BB and others are producing.I got this info straight from the q/c supervisor just this last week,which is what made up my mind about buying the 20'' 1894 with the brass bead front sight and rear buckhorn.My gun will shoot my heavy loads(heavy lead) beter than I can without a scope at 100 yrds.Plus they pack a hell of a wallop.I for 1 am very satisfied and if I see a wild hog between point blank and 150 ydrs.HE'S BACON:evil:
January 7, 2010, 10:12 PM
They still list their 1894 & 1894 .44 Cowboy etc. like this...
Interesting thread, as I'm thinking of picking up a Rossi 92 in .357 this weekend. I've owned a Marlin 94 in .357 and really enjoyed shooting it. I currently own a Puma/Rossi 92 in .454 Casull, which I really like. I see prices around $450 on the .357 version.
If I could only own one lever gun, I guess I would lean towards the .357. But, why own just one? :)