NcStar scopes ??


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flipajig
January 2, 2010, 01:45 PM
NcStar scopes anyone use them i looking into a new scope and found them
how good they are iv found some info on them and looking for more. Im planing to mount it on a contender barrel in 30-30 win. thanks

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TIMC
January 2, 2010, 01:51 PM
They are cheap Chinese scopes that are not very good but they are cheap.

hatchetbearer
January 2, 2010, 01:56 PM
I had one on a 9mm carbine, it holds its zero. no frills, but thats what i like about it.

jon_in_wv
January 2, 2010, 02:14 PM
Very cheap and the optics aren't the clearest but I use a 4 power on my HiPOint and I've used the same scope on a 22lr and it worked fine. Once it was dialed in it held its zero. I wouldn't get one for a precision scope though.

Maverick223
January 2, 2010, 02:26 PM
I would invest my hard earned cash in something with greater return on investment. What is your needs and budget for the optic? Without knowing this I would point you to the economy models in the Bushnell line, these have decent glass and have been reliable in my experience.

:)

panrobercik
January 2, 2010, 02:31 PM
I have used one as a scout scope on a Mosin Nagant and had no problems with it at all.

rangerruck
January 2, 2010, 03:09 PM
they triple suck-a-dilly suck-you-suck!!!! I gave them 3... THREE CHANCES, to do somehting for me, even with a spotting scope. That's right, a SPOTTING SCOPE!!!! NO recoil worries, no finding zero, no shooting the square, etc., etc.
And it was still crap a doodie!!!!
Save your money, and your worries, and get anything else, except BSA.

Maverick223
January 2, 2010, 03:29 PM
RR, tell them what you really think. :p I completely agree (though I haven't bought 3 of the dang things). If you really want a low-budget tacti-crap scope, buy a Leapers, I have had mediocre (not to be confused with good or excellent) results out of them, and consider them to be amongst the "best of China" (< now isn't that a funny statement).

:)

BurningSaviour
January 2, 2010, 03:40 PM
They're fine for rimfires, and I've known people who've used them on centerfire weapons, with varying results. Some cases, they've held up fine. Other cases, not so much.
If you're looking for a cheap optic which can hold up and has good repute, take a look at the Vortex StrikeFire for around $150.

ronaldo615
January 2, 2010, 03:54 PM
I won't buy any more. I bought these to try and save money. They work so so, just enough to keep me from throwing them away. When you compare them against decent optics, they just don't stack up. Given the price difference, I wouldn't expect them to be as good.

If I had it to do over again, I would take all the cheap scopes and trade them for one good one. I I would wait and save for the difference in cost even if it took me awhile.

At my age if I can't see it clearly, I won't hit it. Lately, it takes a better and better scope for me to see clearly. When I was younger it didn't matter as much. That is what makes the name brand scopes more valuable to me. They still work for me.

gadgetguy1288
January 2, 2010, 04:23 PM
I dont know much about their regular scopes but Ive have one of their red dots on my 15-22 and had it mounted on my Bushmaster for an outing and its held up like a champ. I bought it used and paid $40 for it.

I do understand the general consensus on them is about 50-50 though so YMMV

oldfool
January 2, 2010, 04:35 PM
do youself a favor and spend that $40 on something/anything else
they are 50/50 on rimfires, odds are against you on anything heavier
(have seen people try them)

BSA and NcStar are different companies, I have run the compact 2.5X "shotgun scope" BSA on a 357mag lever carbine, and it has done ok, but 357 in a carbine ain't got no kick, real tame vs 30-30

WardenWolf
January 2, 2010, 06:08 PM
I made the mistake of buying an NCStar holo red dot sight. I couldn't see the dot in sunlight, at all, even on a fresh battery. Complete washout. It was absolutely worthless.

On the other hand, I have an NCStar spotting scope. It's actually very good, and I got it used for $80. I couldn't have asked for better for the money. NCStar generally has good optical clarity, to their credit. However, their ability to hold up under recoil is sometimes questionable.

As always, you should check reviews on any individual scope model before purchasing it. Some cheap brands, particularly Leapers / UTG, can provide you with a good $70 scope that will perform about as well as a $200 scope on a target rifle, at the cost of being somewhat less physically ruggged. If you're not planning to drag it through the brush, it will serve you just fine. If you're going to be subjecting it to real bumps and such, you should consider a more expensive option.

R.W.Dale
January 2, 2010, 06:42 PM
Just remember this formula


China + optics = FAIL

X-Rap
January 2, 2010, 06:46 PM
Part of the reason we are in the pickle we are in is because we continue to by this cheap Chi Com junk as another American Manufacturer goes under or moves off shore.

I am guilty and more than a dozen yrs ago I bought a bunch of Chi Com guns but its over for me. If there is still a brand or model made in the US thats what I'm buying.

Snakum
January 2, 2010, 07:01 PM
I have an NCStar 3x9 on an AKM and have put about 1000 rounds thru it, including the rounds that took my only two deer this season. Dead on accurate, never loses zero, never fogs, and is pretty clear for it's size.

And I went thru two NCStar red dot sights that were complete crap. WOuldn't zero or wouldn't hold zero.

So you pays ya money and ya takes ya chances. I have Nikon and Pentax on my hunting/target rifles. But for plinking or plonking the NCStar scopes will likely do till you can afford better. Wouldn't trust their red dots, though.

Something else to consider, I've read a couple of places that a large percentage of low end scopes from Tasco, Bushnell, and others are made in the same factory.

Shooter973
January 2, 2010, 07:26 PM
You get exactly what you pay for in the case of NcStar optics.........:banghead:

ineedmoney
January 2, 2010, 07:31 PM
i got a 2-7x32mm centerpoint scope, it has black, red, or green cross hairs comes in handy when its getting dark. on the front of the plastic it comes in it says it was torture tested by a .416 rigby, which is a very powerful rifle. i paid $65 for it at wal-mart but i went to the wal-mart in the next county and they had it for $55(mine did to). and it comes with rings. iam very happy with it. it holds zero on my WASR 10/63 from what i can tell. within a few inches of bulleyes everytime @ 100 yrds. depends on the ammo use. and i remove with the quick release i got alot. i would recommend that tho i seen alot of good reviews about it thats why i got it.

Boba Fett
January 2, 2010, 07:33 PM
Do a search on the forum for NcStar, BSA, Barska, Leapers, etc. and you'll pretty much see the same discussions.

They work for a few people, usually on small caliber rifles or handguns (i.e. 22lr). I have a cheap WallyWorld Tasco red dot on my Ruger MK II and it works fine, but I wouldn't trust it on much else.

Chinese scopes are pretty bad for most people. They don't hold zero (as I discovered with my Mosin back before I sold it).

Since you are wanting to mount this on a 30-30, you really should get a better scope. There are good scopes out there that won't cost you an arm and a leg.

As has been said before, "buy once, cry once."


If you're planning to do any hunting with it, then please, for the animal's sake, get a good scope. Something made in America, Japan, parts of Europe.

If you're just target shooting, well it's your money and the worst that will happen is you eBay the scope for half what you paid and have to buy a good scope.

jcwit
January 2, 2010, 07:36 PM
For an inexpensive scope I'll stick with BSA.

For that matter I believe all lenses are now imported. Even the big "L".

ineedmoney
January 2, 2010, 07:38 PM
whats wrong with china? iam pretty sure something in that computer your on is made in china..lol your t.v, microwave, probaly your shoes, and god knows what else

i can do better with my china scope than with my iron sights, and iam pretty good with iron sights as long as my contacts dont get dry

Smithiac
January 2, 2010, 07:42 PM
I have an NcStar on my slug gun holding zero just fine it has no frills no illumination or anything like that. I give them atleast one thumb up.

R.W.Dale
January 2, 2010, 08:06 PM
whats wrong with china? iam pretty sure something in that computer your on is made in china..lol your t.v, microwave, probaly your shoes, and god knows what else

i can do better with my china scope than with my iron sights, and iam pretty good with iron sights as long as my contacts dont get dry
The Chinese have learned how to make many things cheap with a resonable amount of quality..........optics however aren't one of them

here's where I'm coming from!

You know how lifelong quit smokers are the most repulsed by the smell and mess of anyone? Well I'm that way with crappy Chinese scopes. Notice I single out china! That's cause there are decent cheap scopes, but there are no decent Chinese scopes

jcwit
January 2, 2010, 08:16 PM
The Chinese have learned how to make many things cheap with a resonable amount of quality..........optics however aren't one of them


Careful, be very careful. Go to your local camera shop and check the country of origin on the cameras and lenses.

Some Leupold target scopes cost in the neighborhood of $1000.00. Can you imagine what kind of chinese scope you would get for $1000.00

Think about it.

Maverick223
January 2, 2010, 08:20 PM
Some cheap brands, particularly Leapers / UTG, can provide you with a good $70 scope I recently saw a UTG in 4-14x40mm that is exactly the same as CenterPoint so I wouldn't be afraid to put it on a moderate powered rifle.

whats wrong with china? iam pretty sure something in that computer your on is made in china.No sir, I generally build my own (save for the laptop...which is ASUS) and always use good quality Japanese parts...just like most of my optics. It isn't that China is incapable of producing anything acceptable, it is that they are generally not asked to (people want Chinese goods because they are cheap, not for good QC).

:)

R.W.Dale
January 2, 2010, 08:29 PM
Careful, be very careful. Go to your local camera shop and check the country of origin on the cameras and lenses.

Some Leupold target scopes cost in the neighborhood of $1000.00. Can you imagine what kind of chinese scope you would get for $1000.00

Think about it.

think about this! The parts, glass, coatings that go into a $1000 scope cost the same anywhere in the world and the labor cost is only a small fraction. Look through even an older high mag leupold and a chicom tasco at even ad close as 300m and you'll quickly understand.

I find that almost without exception those who stand up for Chinese optics have no expertice with quality optical equipment made in a country that doesn't stlll have PEASANTS as part of thier population

ineedmoney
January 2, 2010, 08:39 PM
S*** happens if i drop my rifle and break my scope i can just buy another one for -$70.
what you gonna do when u drop and break that $500 scope buy another one?

i did alot of research on my centerpoint scope before i bought it. every review i seen was a good one. i would much rather buy another rifle than a +$250 optic

look at my name on here!! if you would like to donate me some $$$ to buy something thats not worth the cost go ahead and send it to me, i will gladly buy another rifle

i think the reason this guy started this thread is because he wanted a low BUDGET scope, and a $65 centerpoint, torture tested by a .416 rigby(look it up), is a good scope,and if you dont like it you can take it back to wal mart and just get your money back.

jcwit
January 2, 2010, 08:41 PM
So what you're telling me is that the camera industry has no experience with quality?

Look through even an older high mag leupold and a chicom tasco at even ad close as 300m and you'll quickly understand.


Been there, done that, and do that. And I have thought about it.

a country that doesn't stlll have PEASANTS as part of thier population


Is this an implication we have no PEASANTS here? You need to look around your own state more.

jcwit
January 2, 2010, 08:44 PM
S*** happens if i drop my rifle and break my scope i can just buy another one for -$70.
what you gonna do when u drop and break that $500 scope buy another one?


Well no it doesn't always happen, Leupold will replace it, no questions asked.

ol' scratch
January 2, 2010, 08:44 PM
S*** happens if i drop my rifle and break my scope i can just buy another one for -$70.
what you gonna do when u drop and break that $500 scope buy another one?

i did alot of research on my centerpoint scope before i bought it. every review i seen was a good one. i would much rather buy another rifle than a +$250 optic
I send it back to Leupold and they FIX it. I would also rather have good glass on my rifle and hit my mark. Good glass DOES make a difference.

Maverick223
January 2, 2010, 08:46 PM
...what you gonna do when u drop and break that $500 scope buy another one?Good quality optics will take a great deal more abuse than the average Chinese knock-off...and they have a WARRANTY (that they will stand behind). That is why people that need really good optics (and not everyone does, and is willing to pay for it) choose names like: Schmidt & Bender, Hensoldt, Premier Reticles, US Optics, and Nightforce...sure they can be broken, but it takes a great deal of effort to accomplish that. Others like Zeiss, IOR Valdada, Swarovski, and Leupold (et al) also have good customer service and warranties, but are not quite as durable, these are the scopes that are generally well suited for people that want a really good product at a fair price (not combat tough like the aforementioned, with the exception of Mk. 4 Leupolds).

:)

R.W.Dale
January 2, 2010, 08:46 PM
S*** happens if i drop my rifle and break my scope i can just buy another one for -$70.
what you gonna do when u drop and break that $500 scope buy another one?

c

I spend $12 shipping sending it back to leupold for FREE repair or replacment vs being out $140 on a cheap scope assuming you don't break it again then you're at $210


This is another key diffrence. Being out another scope or having a manufacturer stand behind you

I keep telling you guys you can't save enough to be money ahead with a cheap optic

R.W.Dale
January 2, 2010, 08:50 PM
Is this an implication we have no PEASANTS here? You need to look around your own state more

our poor have cars, tv's and air conditioning and are typically quite overweight


Are you comparing our country and it's standard of living to communist china?

dagger dog
January 2, 2010, 08:56 PM
To most who have read this post, think back 40-50 years ago all this was said about Japanese products. With todays technology it won't be long , and it ain't gonna be 50 yrs,until the Chinese are going to be the leaders in quality products!

ineedmoney
January 2, 2010, 08:58 PM
"your centerpoint scope is warranted to be free of defects in materials and workmanship for the lifetime of the original owner. In the event of a defect under this warrenty we will repair, or replace the product"

ineedmoney
January 2, 2010, 09:01 PM
iam just saying it's not point spending $500 just so you can see 300 yards, when you could buy like 7 of these scopes to put on your other rifles, if you can afford any after that expensive *** scope broke you, or it would me, i dont have money coming from my ***

R.W.Dale
January 2, 2010, 09:03 PM
"your centerpoint scope is warranted to be free of defects in materials and workmanship for the lifetime of the original owner. In the event of a defect under this warrenty we will repair, or replace the product"
Basiclly you're SOL if you drop it as you mentioned in a previous post


Point two

where will centerpoint be 2,5 or 10 years from now?

Where were they 10yrs ago?

12131
January 2, 2010, 09:03 PM
They are POS, based on my experience, plus reading others' as well.

jcwit
January 2, 2010, 09:09 PM
Are you comparing our country and it's standard of living to communist china?


To most who have read this post, think back 40-50 years ago all this was said about Japanese products. With todays technology it won't be long , and it ain't gonna be 50 yrs,until the Chinese are going to be the leaders in quality products!

Take a look at now who holds the U.S.'s debt. It not the poor in china. Take another look at what country has the largest auto sales per capita, yup its china.

Do I want to change places, not hardly. What I was attempting to bring out was not everyone has the money for the high prices optics and the chinese optics suit them just fine, and yes they do work. No way to know the stats but I'd bet more deer have been taken with a scope costing $100 or less than have been taken with a scope costing $500 or more. Just as more deer have been taken with a Win. Md. 94 than by a Cooper bolt action.

And one more time just imagine what kind of fantastic scope one would get from a chinese factory if it was sold for $1000.00 Would be approx $10,000 in U.S. workmanship and dollars. Boy am I going to get slamed for that statement by those that can't comprehend what I'm trying to get across.

ineedmoney
January 2, 2010, 09:34 PM
http://reviews.walmart.com/1336/10248654/reviews.htm

take a few mins and read that. dont sound bad to me for $35

ill take it back to wal-mart with my receipt if i drop and break it if centerpoint wont replace it, wal-mart gets screwed in alot worse ways, atleast i did pay for it. they will take it back

if iam going to spend 500 on a scope its gonna have night vision, the guy wanted a low price scope, i myself have read alot of crappy reviews about ncstar, but i have seen way more good reviews for the centerpoints and i was just giving him my opinion, not everyone has $500 to blow on a scope, if i do drop me scope and say i have to buy another one that will be like $140, i wont drop it again. which i really dont think it would break maybe knock it off zero

where's all them high dollar scope companies gonna be when they got to replace all them expensive scopes???:neener:

i wonder what they would do if it got stolen??:rolleyes:

Boba Fett
January 2, 2010, 09:41 PM
@ineedmoney

What's with all the spam? I see five posts that could have been one. This isn't a chat room.



Do more research. $500+ is not the best you can do for a quality made American, Japanese, or European scope. If you haven't figured that out, then you haven't researched it enough and really don't have any idea what you're talking about.

If you are worried about breaking your scope or getting it stolen, then maybe you should also worry about the rifle it is on...sounds like you live in a dangerous and hazardous environment prone to accidents and crime.


If you're sold on the WallyWorld scopes for any type of serious shooting...well...there really isn't any way I'm going to convince you otherwise. You'll just have to experience their crappyness for yourself. I just pray it isn't on some poor animal.

ineedmoney
January 2, 2010, 09:55 PM
im just saying a $70 centerpoint has WAY MORE GOOD REVIEWS THAN NCSTAR, THATS WHY THIS WHOLE TREAD STATRED, THE GUY WANTS A LOW PRICE SCOPE JUST LIKE I DID WHEN I BOUGHT MY SCOPE. IT WOULD BE STUPID FOR ME TO PUT A $150+ SCOPE ON A WASR WHEN THEY ARE NOT ALL THAT ACCURATE ANYWAY, BUT THE $70 CENTERPOINT SCOPE IS A BIG IMPROVEMENT OVER MY IRON SIGHTS ESPECAILLY AT 200YARDS SO POINT AS IS PERIOD I GOT TO EAT MY SOUP

Maverick223
January 2, 2010, 09:58 PM
take a few mins and read that. dont sound bad to me for $35Not quite, unless you are seeing something that I'm not...it says: $65.00USD, not $35. They make a good scope (made by Crosman IIRC), and I own one. I would highly recommend one for use on a rimfire rifle (at least for target use), but I would (and did) invest a little more for optics on everything else. They are a good bargain, and reasonably well made, but they don't begin to compare to a nice high quality optic. I have a safe to put my optics (attached to rifles) in...so burglary is not a big issue.

ineedmoney, please stop making 5 back-to-back posts...that is an efficient way to get banned real quick.

:)

rangerruck
January 2, 2010, 10:07 PM
the only things scope/riflewise to consider from China are leapers/utg/centerpoint, and Millet. I think millet even has a navy or coast guard contract...
Or for 50 to 100 bucks more, you could get a nikon or Pentax, made with japanese stuff, and be
immensely satisfied, plus have unconditional lifetime warranties as well...

Larry Ashcraft
January 2, 2010, 10:19 PM
ineedmoney;

Posts merged into one.

Carry on.

coosbaycreep
January 2, 2010, 10:20 PM
I had an NcStar red dot on a 10/22 that would lose it's zero everytime I took it out shooting.

I have a centerpoint that I bought at walmart, and have had it on three guns. Not only will it not hold a zero, I've never been able to get it completely zeroed to begin with because it runs out of adjustment first. It's huge and looks all tactical and whatnot, and it has a red and green illuminator which is real cool (if you're easily amused, as I am), but next time I buy a crap scope, I'll get a simmons, tasco, or something else.

elmerfudd
January 2, 2010, 10:21 PM
I've had a number of cheap Chinese scopes now. Some of them are really pretty decent these days. My favorites are the higher end Leapers and the Centerpoints, (they're the same thing). They're really pretty good scopes for the money. There's a world of difference though between a $20 Leapers and a $145 Leapers. I've got both and the $20 scope is the kind of thing I keep around to put on cheap plinking toys.

From what I've seen of NC Star, I'd stay far away. I've used two of these and they both sucked. Awful optics and one did not retain a zero.

Unlike other people here, I've had good luck with BSA. I've got three of them and they have all held up and held a zero, even the one I've got mounted on a Saiga 308. I did a side by side comparison though one day with a 6-24x40 BSA next to a 4-16x56 Leapers, and the Leapers was just a better scope right across the board. Better optics, better turrets, less glare, etc... It wasn't much better in any given category, but when you compared it overall it seemed pretty significant. One of my biggest gripes about the BSA is that nothing is quite what it's labeled. For example, it says it's a 6-24x scope, but when I actually measured the distance between mildots on various powers I found out that 24x was almost exactly 3.5 times the magnification of 6x. The distances on the parallax ring are also wrong. A true mil-dot isn't at 10x, etc... I've got to give a big thumbs up to the BSA 2-7x32 Airgun scopes though. These are $50 scopes that really take a beating. At one point, I got the second stage on my RSA trigger adjusted wrong and I ended up bump firing my S308 four or five different times before I got it right and that cheap BSA scope was still just fine afterward.

I've got a cheap Barska scope as well. They're nothing special, but for a $30 scope I prefer them to the Leapers, Tasco or Simmons. Mine has a mil-dot reticle and the cross hairs are fine enough for accurate shooting. I can't say the same for my $20 Leapers scopes. On those the crosshairs obscure smaller targets.

I've used several cheap, ($30), Tasco and Simmons scopes as well and I've had better luck with Tasco than with Simmons, (My Simmons self destructed on me with one of the lenses turning sideways inside the scope). There's nothing really notable about them except for the fact that they are very lightweight. The optics are mediocre at best and the crosshairs are generally duplex reticles but functional and not overly thick. Nowadays, the turrets are generally plastic inside with rectangular knobs that stick up under the caps. They really look cheap, but they seem to work OK. I've got a Bushnell that has the same type of turrets, so it's not confined to just the Walmart $30 specials. These are the kinds of scopes that I might put on a kids CO2 rifle.

ineedmoney
January 2, 2010, 10:39 PM
this is what i got with my centerpoint 2-7x32mm on a ak varient which they are not know for really good accuracy. it was a verywindy day today and i was shooting golden tiger which is not the best ammo, as you can read in the 7.62x39 thread, i had one flyer and that was my fault because i went to move my cheek weld and pulled the trigger, very light the O's are iron sights and the X's are the scope from 90 yards, when i first got my scope i was hitting low about 2 ft. at 50 yards mine has plenty of adjustement sorry about the so called spam i got carried away. i will continue to test the centerpoint , and will fell stupid if it screws up, but i will tell you guys, but as of now im very impressed with it.....and that scope i listed at $35 was on sale at the time

i have also heard good things about BSA but havent tried any for myself, i had a really good $50 scope on my savage .270 like 6 years ago but i cant remember the name of it, i could shoot 1" groups all day at 100yards if i could afford the ammo

Snakum
January 2, 2010, 11:23 PM
My Nikon Pro Staff is made in the Philippines. Can't get away from Asian scopes nowadays unless you're digging a little deeper into the pocketbook.

PMROY
January 2, 2010, 11:43 PM
I bought an NCStar at a gunshow and it is so bad, that I was trying to look for it before I wrote this and I can not find it. My mind has gone blank , as a self preservation mode, to prevent me from trying again to zero the piece of crap. It is almost as good as the green laser they make. You know, the one that points everywhere but straight, no matter what you do to it. One good part is: The boxes are really cool and the color of the laser is super bright. I feel like having it tested as I believe it probably exceeds the limits of amplification permitted. As in photography, the lens makes or breaks the photo. Spend the money, buy quality. Nikkor, Nikon out of Japan, makes some of the best lenses in the world. China on the other hand, makes the cheapest, best looking, piece of crap you can buy.

noob_shooter
January 3, 2010, 12:08 AM
used them on some rim fire rifles and they held good.. still holding zero... of course, rimfires have next to no recoil

X-Rap
January 3, 2010, 03:00 AM
My view on China is simple, Communist We should have never began dealing with them and I think if we hadn't we would be miles ahead today.
Anymore here will be considered political but there is ample proof for me to see that they are our enemy and we are making them rich.

blackops
January 3, 2010, 03:38 AM
Keep going back and forth....this is funny. BTW if a guy is on a tight budget get a ncstar, tasco, or a centerpoint. Get what you can afford and make the most of it. My cousin has a closet full of rifles and he mounted a couple ncstars and hasn't complained about them. Personally I'm a loopy guy, but if my funds were low I'd probably get ncstar, tasco, centerpoint, or whatever. To say these scopes can't get the job done is a bunch of BS. I give credit to these guys that are on a tight budget yet still find a way to save what money they have and keep shooting and hunting. To tell you the truth I'd bet they are far more appreciative for what they have than most of us that are more fortunate. I'd also be willing to bet they could out shoot quite a bit of guys with higher end glass with their $80 dollar scopes.

Anymore here will be considered political but there is ample proof for me to see that they are our enemy and we are making them rich.

"Enemy" haha let the hate out! "Making them rich" yes.

elmerfudd
January 3, 2010, 04:04 AM
From an economic standpoint, China is less communist than we are. Their government might claim to be communist, but they long ago abandoned any real commitment to it.

At this point, they're a textbook example of fascism, (ie. totalitarian, nationalist, big business/government/military collusion and a policy of aggressively keeping wages down and promoting their industry).

scythefwd
January 3, 2010, 05:39 AM
Might want to look at the bushnell trophy scopes. You can get them on sale online for about 50 dollars.

http://www.natchezss.com/category.cfm?contentID=productDetail&prodID=BH731421C
you get a free bushy sportsman 4x32 fixed power scope as well for when you break the first one (I hear they are pretty solid... I have yet to see how long mine will last on my muzzle loader). If it is going on a .30-30, then you should be good, but I have been unable to determine where the parallax is set on this scope... it isn't mentioned on the website or in the packaging.

ol' scratch
January 3, 2010, 03:34 PM
"your centerpoint scope is warranted to be free of defects in materials and workmanship for the lifetime of the original owner. In the event of a defect under this warrenty we will repair, or replace the product"
My Leupold is warranted against other things outside of manufacturer defects. If I DROP it they will fix it.

ol' scratch
January 3, 2010, 03:46 PM
From an economic standpoint, China is less communist than we are. Their government might claim to be communist, but they long ago abandoned any real commitment to it.

At this point, they're a textbook example of fascism, (ie. totalitarian, nationalist, big business/government/military collusion and a policy of aggressively keeping wages down and promoting their industry).
Really? Are you kidding? You have to be out of your mind if you think the US is more communist than China EVEN IN BUSINESS!!!

I have never been to China, but I have a cousin who has travelled extensively in China including inter mainland China. He had a government offical who tracked his every move. He said he couldn't sneeze without the government taking notice. By the way, he was a business man.
It seems you are implying that Fascism is somehow better than Communism? They both SUCK.

Communism-1. a theory or system of social organization based on the holding of all property in common, actual ownership being ascribed to the community as a whole or to the state.
2. (often initial capital letter) a system of social organization in which all economic and social activity is controlled by a totalitarian state dominated by a single and self-perpetuating political party.

I don't know which 'text' book you are reading, but it needs to be updated.

Sorry, this post was about scopes. Check out Redfield. I just read an article about them in G & A. They have been released again and sound great. The author did an actual field test with one.

skoro
January 3, 2010, 08:34 PM
Spend a little more and get a scope you'll be pleased with.

ineedmoney
January 3, 2010, 08:40 PM
i gotta go play modernwarfare 2 to let some of this frustation out

X-Rap
January 3, 2010, 09:00 PM
i gotta go play modernwarfare 2 to let some of this frustation out
Logical statement from a guy with a handle like ineedmoney.

mshootnit
January 3, 2010, 09:06 PM
As much as I hate Wal-Mart for going to China to assist them in putting American's out of work (its a bigger conspiracy than any of us know) the real problem is everyone who shops there. Hence the damn Centre Point scopes and crap. You know if you made everything in the store carry a red label that was made in China, the whole damn store would be red! Shows you what country you are supporting when you shop there.

Maverick223
January 3, 2010, 09:21 PM
You know if you made everything in the store carry a red label that was made in China, the whole damn store would be red! Shows you what country you are supporting when you shop there.That is pretty true, furthermore I am just as guilty as everyone else...but I fully support high tariffs for China, India, et al, as I feel that is the only solution to the situation we have put ourselves in.

:)

scythefwd
January 4, 2010, 01:11 AM
mshootnit - you realize that even bushnell sells scopes made in China. I am willing to bet that most every scope company uses either chinese parts or scopes assembled there in their lower quality lines.

Uncle Mike
January 4, 2010, 02:29 AM
Get yourself a Weaver 44/40 series.

NCSTAR is junk! period!

elmerfudd
January 4, 2010, 02:49 AM
Really? Are you kidding? You have to be out of your mind if you think the US is more communist than China EVEN IN BUSINESS!!!

US federal taxes are 28% of our GDP, (factor in state taxes and things go much higher). Chinese taxes are 17% of GDP. Our taxes largely pay for social programs and the redistribution of wealth, (SS, Medicaid, food stamps, etc...), while China's mostly do not. The only really communist aspect of the Chinese economy that remains is the large number of state run enterprises, but they've been reducing those for decades now, while we've been doing the opposite. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_tax_revenue_as_percentage_of_GDP

China sure as hell ain't free, but the only thing communist about them today is the name of their ruling party.

Boba Fett
January 4, 2010, 05:11 AM
I have never been to China, but I have a cousin who has travelled extensively in China including inter mainland China. He had a government offical who tracked his every move. He said he couldn't sneeze without the government taking notice. By the way, he was a business man.
It seems you are implying that Fascism is somehow better than Communism? They both SUCK.

And I have been to China as well. Once in 2008 and once in 2006. For a little over a week each visit and both times I visited three to four of the major cities. Very nice people, we had no "government officials" monitoring us (heck we even met a backpacker from the US on the train...he was backpacking through China like some people do through Europe), and I would agree that China is slowly moving away from Communism. They are by no means a country like America with the same freedoms, equalities, etc., but then neither is America anymore. :(


The company I work for is a world wide third party inspection firm for the oil and gas industry. We send people over to China all the time. No issues. The Chinese people are very gracious to our representatives.

Their government is certainly totalitarianish and fascist, but that is a pretty good step back from Communism and way better than the ideals of that nut Mao. I will say that there is a certain amount of propaganda fed to their people sadly, but I hope that will start to decline as more and more Chinese travel the world. Even with Google filtering things out, information is power and the Chinese government is slowly starting to let it in. Compare that to North Korea.


I studied China while in college for my history minor. I spent a semester doing an honors course where all we did was read a lot of books and write about our reading and research. I gained a lot of respect for the country and it's people and gained a lot of anger for the atrocities of it's leadership. Read the book Wild Swans for an eye opening understanding of China from the people who lived through the events that led to Mao, his time in power, and after.


So...to summarize: China better than it once was, the people are great, the country is amazing, the food is awesome and so is the tea and beer, government still sucks but not as bad as it did (steps in the right direction, but on a football field worth of steps that is like maybe 10 steps at best), don't buy a Chinese scope for anything better than a 22lr, NcStar sucks, save up and spend the bucks on a quality scope, "buy once cry once."

Art Eatman
January 4, 2010, 10:55 AM
Last I heard, the rifle forum wasn't about politics.

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