lever action id.


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Jim_100
January 2, 2010, 05:48 PM
A friend was telling me about a gun from his grandpa that is 30-30, lever action and has a round counter? Any ideas? He has no pics right now as it is in another state.

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endebt
January 2, 2010, 06:05 PM
Problely a Savage Model 99. I have one and it has a 5 round counter on the side. I think it was the first rotate mag.

Float Pilot
January 2, 2010, 06:55 PM
Savage lever actions started with the 1895 and then the improved 1899.
They used a rotary magazine that was similar to those used in Mannlicher rifles.
The rounds remaining could be seen in a little window on the side of the receiver.

The 1895 started out with the 303 Savage, which was similar to the 30-30 in power and size. It was really a 308 caliber bullet and not a 303..
Savage later developed the 300 Savage, (the idea for the much later 308 Win),,, the 250-3000 (250 Savage), and several other calibers. I have only seen a very few chambered in 30-30 and I think those demand a fairly high price.

336A
January 2, 2010, 07:41 PM
Float pilot the .303 Savage did indeed use a .311" bullet. U.M.C. (Union Metallic Cartidge Company) which later became Remington was always loaded with a .311" bullet until that cartridge was dropped from production. All of the other ammo companies stuck with the .308" bullet however. The rifles produced by Savage in this caliber came with barrels with a .308" groove diameter, so all ammo shot accurately. Aurthur Savage got away with this due to the cartridges low operating pressure. This cartridge was created so as to take away some of the sales from Winchester's then new fangled and exceedingly popular .30 WCF.
Another Savage cartridge that used a bullet larger than bore diameter was the .22 Savage Hi Power also known as the "The Imp". Rifles were made with a groove diameter of .225" while loaded ammo contained a 70gr .227" bullet. Hornady still produces a .227" 70gr bullet for this cartridge as it is still popular in europe and known there as the 5.6x52R.
http://www.hornady.com/store/.227-22-CAL/

http://www.norma.cc/sortimentjakt.asp?Kaliber=4&Lang=2&Kalibernamn=5,6x52R

Float Pilot
January 2, 2010, 08:01 PM
336A

Thanks for straightening me out on that.
I was using an old reloading book as a bullet diameter source. My knowledge of the Savage rifles is pretty limited...

Molasses
January 3, 2010, 12:28 PM
Here's a view of the most relevant portion of a .30-30 Savage Model 99H (sort of a saddlegun version with a forend band and carbine length barrel). The "30-30" isn't as readable as I'd like, but you can kind of make it out on the barrel. It's got the round counter, which is just numbers stamped on the spool of the rotary magazine that show up through a little window and I put rounds in the mag to bring it up to "2" for ease of reading in the pic:

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