Extreme Shock Ammo?


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Enachos
January 3, 2010, 02:47 PM
Does anyone have any experience with these rounds? They look fairly interesting but I'm just curious as to how well they actually work... any opinions are appreciated

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tank mechanic
January 3, 2010, 02:57 PM
They tend to make your pants explode.

KBintheSLC
January 3, 2010, 02:57 PM
Hype, marketing, more hype, and more bad marketing with ninjas and scantly clad busty chicks holding big guns like they were dancing poles. Their ammo is generally overpriced, under-performing junk.

In my humble opinion of course.

...

rogertc1
January 3, 2010, 02:58 PM
http://www.extremeshockusa.com/
Looks impressive for $2 to $3 a round. I kinda like hot chicks myself.
http://www.extremeshockusa.com/web_photos/extjacketed%20claw_300.jpg

KBintheSLC
January 3, 2010, 03:02 PM
I kinda like hot chicks myself.

Yeah... if only looks could kill.

-v-
January 3, 2010, 03:02 PM
Overall oppinion on THR is that extreme shock is a silly marketing ploy, and their rounds are generally on the low end of the effectiveness scale, relying more on clever (or moronic..) marketing to sell rounds, rather than actually being good ammo.

Basically, you can do better by going with either FMJ or any name brand HP round.

Also, eXtreme Shock! threads tend to not last long before they get locked.

Enachos
January 3, 2010, 03:03 PM
It sure is pricey... i figured it might be too good to be true... eh

rcmodel
January 3, 2010, 05:02 PM
Look up Tungsten-NyTrilium in the periodic table of elements and get back to us!

Mall-Ninja BS, just like the guys in the photo.

See this for more:
http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot23.htm

rc

W.E.G.
January 3, 2010, 05:07 PM
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd7/rkba2da/smileys/whistling.gif

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=463020&highlight=Extreme
and
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=447518&highlight=Extreme
and
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=337385&highlight=Extreme
and
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=127525&highlight=Extreme
and
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=414200&highlight=Extreme
and
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=405612&highlight=Extreme
and
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=402320&highlight=Extreme
and
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=388407&highlight=Extreme

Jonah71
January 3, 2010, 09:57 PM
So my Federal hydra-shok .357 hp's were a waste of $ ? I'll learn eventually I hope. The Mag Tech Gold +P Hp's woulda been fine. In fact, almost without exception the pics of expended rounds of different model/price rounds I've seen posted on this site show very little (if any) real difference in expansion or shape. Only the price and name are different.

Ben86
January 5, 2010, 11:43 AM
Expensive little frangible turds is what they are. Get yourself some name brand bonded hollow points instead. Save the useless exotic stuff for tacti-cool ninjas.

Elvishead
January 8, 2010, 06:15 AM
I read that it does not work on the Internet, so that must be true, it's no good.

TBS, as good as other premium ammo is now days, just pick up some Gold Dot for much cheaper.

That doesn't mean I think ES isn't bad, but all the Internet expert's say so, so it's bad.

HankB
January 8, 2010, 07:23 AM
In regard to guns, ammo, and firearm accessories, one rule of thumb I've developed over time is this: The more impressive the name, the less impressive the performance.

REAPER4206969
January 8, 2010, 07:26 AM
Extreme Shock
www.extremeshockusa.com/

NyTrilium Air Freedom Rounds, "Tungsten-Nytrilium Fragmentable Explosive Entry Air Freedom Round. The AFR round disintegrates when it hits hard targets such as many interior walls and airplane skins, but retains astonishing stopping power on organic targets."

.357mag 85gr 1738fps 570ft.lbs

.357SIG 85gr 1340fps 339ft.lbs

.38spl 85gr 1586fps 475ft.lbs

.40 S&W 100gr 1450fps 467ft.lbs

.45 ACP 125gr 1200fps 400ft.lbs

.45 GAP 125gr 1305fps 473ft.lbs

9mm 85gr 1531fps 442ft.lbs


NyTrilium Handgun Rounds (Fang Face & Personal Defense), "...The compressed Tungsten-NyTriliumô Composite fragments upon impact, leaving a wound channel of catastrophic proportions. The expansive fragmentation characteristics of the ExtremeShock rounds transfer the bullets energy in a far faster time span than conventional hollowpoints. The resulting stopping power is utterly devastating. E-Shock rounds are engineered to expend maximum energy into soft targets, turning the density mass into an expanding rotational cone of NyTrilium matrix particles, causing neurological collapse to the central nervous system. "

.32 ACP PDR 60gr 830fps 92ft.lbs

9mm FFR 124gr 1182fps 385ft.lbs

.357mag FFR 124gr 1498fps 168ft.lbs

.38spl FFR 124gr 1185fps 387ft.lbs

.40 S&W FFR 165gr 1125fps 464ft.lbs

10mm FFR 165gr 1209fps 535ft.lbs

.45 ACP FFR 185gr 1150fps 543ft.lbs

.44mag FFR 185gr 1675fps 1152ft.lbs


Nytrilium Handgun Rounds (Silver Savior), "The Silver Saviorô - Exposed Nose Explosive Entry Controlled Penetration Round. It is a non-Hollowpoint version of the Fang Face AntiTerrorist Round for Locales and Countries where Hollowpoints are Prohibited."

9mm SS 124gr 1182fps 385ft.lbs

.45 ACP SS 185gr 1150fps 543ft.lbs

.44mag SS 185gr 1675fps 1152ft.lbs


NyTrilium Subsonic Ammunition, "The lethality of the Extreme Shock round is beyond description. In the magazine of a capable operator it can be the difference between victory and defeat. Lead-free, with all the advantages of the Advanced NyTrilium composite it is regarded by many as the most effective CQB round on the market today."

.308 SW 150gr 980fps

5.56mm C 127gr 975fps

5.56mm Sub 127gr 975fps

.50cal SW 675gr 975fps

7.62x39 SW 150gr 946fps


Shot in bare gelatin:
http://ammo.ar15.com/project/Misc_Images/DocGKR/9mm_Extreme_Shock.jpg

1911, .45ACP, 185 gr "Nytrillium Fragmentable JHP", velocity = 1117fps


Penetration Recovered Diameter Recovered Length Recovered Weight
Bare Gelatin 5.5 - 9.0" Small Fragments N/A N/A

4-layer Denim 9.3 - 12.2" Small Fragments N/A N/A

Wallboard 20+" 0.42" 0.57" 181.1gr


CASE STUDY - Extreme Shock ammo

Doctor Gary Roberts has provided some excellent data. For example: Topic: Extreme Shock Handgun Ammo

The article summarizes:

Glock17, 9mm 85 gr "Air Freedom", velocity = 1598fps
Penetration Recovered Diameter Recovered Length Recovered Weight
Bare Gelatin 3.9 - 5.5" Small Fragments N/A N/A

4-layer Denim 14.6" 0.42" 0.48" 56.6gr

Wallboard 6.7" Small Fragments N/A N/A
SUMMARY

It is my firm belief that the manufacturers of this type of ammunition preys upon the un-knowing public and is selling them a product which may not perform as well as much more "conventional" ammunition. This could have grave consequences for the unsuspecting buyer.

While a lot of this article dealt with LeMas in particular, the same applies to other manufacturers of this ammo in that they rely on an uneducated consumer to make a profit. That case study showed many of the arguments pushed by makers of this type of ammo, and also showed why their claims are not valid.

A common theme in all these wonder-bullets is their light weight, high velocity design. Taking this into consideration, I will make a blanket statement that they could work in certain scenarios. For this information, please refer to the Fackler article "A Reconsideration of the Wounding Mechanism of Very High Velocity Projectiles - Importance of Projectile Shape".

It can certainly be argued that very high velocity does have a quality all of its own, but the bullets in question don't quite have the velocity required to cause the massive tissue destruction shown in the article, nor do they have the correct shape to be shot out of a gun and be aerodynamic enough. Please read the article and see what you think. If you were to shoot someone and have an unobstructed shot at a torso, even the large, superficial wound these rounds would produce would probably be sufficient.

There's no doubt that they'd cause some nasty wounds when extremities are hit. But please don't confuse this with reliable performance when less than ideal factors are taken into account. Ideal scenarios are not likely to be present during a real-life shootout, and you may find yourself with much less than you bargained for by choosing this type of ammunition.http://ammo.ar15.com/project/Exotic_Ammo_FAQ/index.htm

Carne Frio
January 8, 2010, 07:55 PM
looking up the word "nytrillium" in an online dictionary resulted in:
"No results for nytrillium" Therefore I assume that it is a made up
word for marketing purposes.

NG VI
January 8, 2010, 09:55 PM
Looks impressive for $2 to $3 a round. I kinda like hot chicks myself.

Bolded the important points!


REAPER4206969, that's the first time I've ever seen them actually do what they claim in a test, despite the fact that doing what they say involves pathetically underwhelming penetration.

hogshead
January 8, 2010, 10:04 PM
Wikipedia: Nytrillium alloy made from equal parts of krytonite, unobatinium, silver, and depleted uranium. When formed into bullets and fired over 250 fps guaranteed to stop coyotes, grizzly, werewolves,supperman, and trains.

RockyMtnTactical
January 9, 2010, 07:28 AM
Gimmick, marketing hype ammo. Plain and simple.

Dave P
January 9, 2010, 08:05 AM
I never liked the Fang Face by itself, but I have had really good results when you drill a hole down the middle and fill it with solid mercury.

scythefwd
January 9, 2010, 08:15 AM
Dave, how exactly are you keeping mercury solid??

Ben86
January 9, 2010, 08:39 AM
They're not so deceptive. They tell you exactly what the bullet will do...disintegrate. It's all frangible ammo, therefore ill suited for self defense.

Jonah71
January 9, 2010, 11:47 AM
Dave, how exactly are you keeping mercury solid??
I was kinda wondering about that myself...

MachIVshooter
January 9, 2010, 01:13 PM
I never liked the Fang Face by itself, but I have had really good results when you drill a hole down the middle and fill it with solid mercury.Dave, how exactly are you keeping mercury solid??

I suspect (Hope) his comment was tongue-in-cheek.

withdrawn34
January 9, 2010, 03:29 PM
Gimmick. You're better off buying proven JHP ammo for your defensive needs.

It's the ultimate mall-ninja ammo for people whose body of gun knowledge comes from Counter Strike.

mxlj
January 9, 2010, 04:02 PM
"Dave, how exactly are you keeping mercury solid??"

keep your loaded clip in the freezer............

Nugilum
January 9, 2010, 04:07 PM
Here's the THR's summary photo on Extreme Shoch ammo:

http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii114/nugilum/EXTREMESHOCK.jpg

Mr.Davis
January 11, 2010, 07:32 PM
They suck for self defense. When you shoot a BG, he explodes like that chick in Cloverfield and you will NEVER get all the guts off the wall, out of the carpet, etc.

We found a spleen under the couch one year after our last Extreme Shock shooting event, and it was basically liquefied due to the 1000% extreme nuralizer force explosion beam technology. Real bear on cleanup.

brassdog
January 11, 2010, 09:44 PM
That's because you forgot to lay down the plastic sheeting first!:neener:

Seriously, Nytrillium is hazardous to your wallet. There are better loads out there.

mustang_steve
January 11, 2010, 11:11 PM
Dave asked me to help him with the solidifying Mercury.

I just looked at the Mercury, and told it "Soldify or you'll be Sorry....Chuck Norris may be a colony of fists, but I'm a colony of Chuck Norris's"....and boom, solid mercury. :D

crazy-mp
January 11, 2010, 11:15 PM
I thought I was the only one who thought that ammo was a joke....

I wish I could package ammo in 5 round packs and charge 5-7 bucks a round. Dont tell the military or any other government agency that carries weapons, they will make it standard issue.

mustang_steve
January 11, 2010, 11:34 PM
I wonder what the market is for luxury ammo.....

Someday, I should make ammo with an plastic saboted (to prevent shattering) Obsidian round nose projectile. Call it "Volcanic Blast".........the casing should be made out of Palladium or some other ultra-exotic metal and cost about $600 a round. Sold individually of course, gift box and engraving for your casings sold separately.

scythefwd
January 12, 2010, 12:10 AM
mxlj - you win.

keep your loaded clip in the freezer............

crazy-mp
January 14, 2010, 09:56 PM
I am thinking its time for someone to cast a solid gold bullet and put it on gunbroker

NMGonzo
January 14, 2010, 10:03 PM
Silver bullets, wadcutter ... you know ... for wolverines!!!!!!!

Extreme Shock sounds like Extreme Cheese Tactical Nachos.

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