Stolen Remington Videos


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GunMonkeyINTL
January 3, 2010, 03:09 PM
I normally just read this site but I found something I had to share.

Someone on YouTube is claiming they have stolen videos from Remington showing their new products.

Check this out.

ACR - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLy3xABAsEc

M24 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l11OR9b1RWw

MCS - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_ZjHQbeC5Y

MSR - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofu_oRV8PrE

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R.W.Dale
January 3, 2010, 03:31 PM
Certianly looks like in house promo material

Warhawk83
January 3, 2010, 03:39 PM
The ACR looks versatile, but also exactly like my kid's Nerf Recon. It would be hard for me to reconcile that....lol

FMF
January 3, 2010, 04:08 PM
more like "conveniently stumbled upon" Remington Videos. Wonder who left/dropped that disc.

SharpsDressedMan
January 3, 2010, 04:28 PM
Ah, that's why their commercial quality control has reportedly got to crap..................

-v-
January 3, 2010, 05:11 PM
So on the ACR..where's the forward assist if the charging handle is non-reciprocating. Didn't the early M16 have many issues because of that?!

Mags
January 3, 2010, 05:14 PM
What makes an ACR different form a SCAR?

bsctov
January 3, 2010, 05:28 PM
I took this screen shot from the ACR video....I think this guy has fought in his last battle LOL!


http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c167/bsctov/ouch.jpg

Ratshooter
January 3, 2010, 05:53 PM
Those should make GECKO45 happy. I guess the video for the Tactical Wheelbarrow is still safely hidden away.

Handgunner
January 3, 2010, 05:58 PM
Ah, that's why their commercial quality control has reportedly got to crap..................

LOL I guess the bean counters got to them too. :D

smince
January 3, 2010, 07:10 PM
Where's the vid of the 1911 they are supposed to be releasing?

Maverick223
January 3, 2010, 07:19 PM
I guess the video for the Tactical Wheelbarrow is still safely hidden away.Get your facts straight...it was a tactical little red wagon. :D

Speedo66
January 3, 2010, 07:34 PM
Interesting guns, hope they have other than Remington ammo for them. :neener:

Uncle Mike
January 3, 2010, 07:39 PM
What makes an ACR different form a SCAR?

Nothing, maybe the name?

Whats up with the MSR?...somebody copying the Savage 10 BAS/BATS or what? lol

I bet there are several Remington VP's of days gone by just a rollin' and a floppin' in the grave over that switch barrel system with the Remington name on it!!

Nice big green has put forth so much effort into the design of much needed military weapons...(sarcastic) we really need more military/LE weapons, right...never mind the crap they are churning out in the civi sector...the corner of the market that makes the most money.

Somebody at Remington is thinking straight!

PTK
January 3, 2010, 07:44 PM
I doubt those were leaked. Someone intentionally obtained a copy of videos from where they shouldn't have been taken... :(

Maverick223
January 3, 2010, 07:45 PM
Whats up with the MSR?...somebody copying the Savage 10 BAS/BATS or what? lolLooks a whole lot like the DTA - SRS without being bullpuped...of course without that, what is the point?

:)

John Parker
January 3, 2010, 08:01 PM
So on the ACR..where's the forward assist if the charging handle is non-reciprocating. Didn't the early M16 have many issues because of that?!

The charging handle is the forward assist. With that knob, you should be able to shove the bolt all the way forward, unlike with the M16...which is why the M16 has a forward assist!

Tirod
January 3, 2010, 11:57 PM
Actually, the forward assist was a command requirement. Being that McNamara fielded the weapon system with the wrong powder, and magazines were built out of light aluminum, its no wonder the early rifles had excessive carbon buildup and misfeeds.

So, somebody yet unnamed came up with the forward assist. All it can do is force the bolt forward and either finish chambering the round or jam it in worse. With the forced change back to cleaner ammo, plus the use of quality magazines, and the proper use of LOTS OF LUBRICATION, AR's don't have the problem, and don't need a forward assist.

The G3 doesn't have a forward assist or bolt handle to force the bolt home. Nobody complains about them. They don't have problems.

If the weapon has a stoppage, the military uses a technique to eject the round first. If letting the bolt chamber a cartridge fails again, of course combat forces the user to attempt to chamber a round for self protection. Somebody must have figured the odds of muscling whatever obstruction was in the way as more successful to get another round down range. BUT - the flip side is just as true, in whatever lesser percentage, the weapon is jammed, and potentially even more so.

From my point of view, it's better to dump the mag and insert a fresh one rather than force a round into the chamber. The act of removing the magazine will allow gravity to dump the obstruction, too. A new mag will have less contamination and a better shot at letting the bolt slam home.

Note that most expensive built precision AR's, and those for hunting, delete the forward assist completely.

Don't take a command climate decision on a combat rifle as your best choice for every circumstance. Stoner didn't put the forward assist on, and we've worked all the way back to what he had in mind to begin with.

benzy2
January 4, 2010, 12:18 AM
Nothing, maybe the name?

Whats up with the MSR?...somebody copying the Savage 10 BAS/BATS or what? lol

I bet there are several Remington VP's of days gone by just a rollin' and a floppin' in the grave over that switch barrel system with the Remington name on it!!

A floating bolt head as well. The first thing I thought when I watched was that Savage had a new rifle coming out. If only it had the accutrigger as well it would be impossible to determine who made the thing.

Uncle Mike
January 4, 2010, 01:25 AM
A floating bolt head as well.
Yeah...forgot that one...and I'm not saying it is, but the receiver looks like the 770 receiver...?

kwelz
January 4, 2010, 01:45 AM
I had great hopes for this. Magpul designs some of the best stuff on the market. However now that Bushmaster and more recently Remington has gotten their hands on it, I am willing to bet it turns out pretty crappy.

CMP
January 4, 2010, 02:31 AM
Well I have always have like the look of the ACR. I still very much want one and for some it may sound stupid but I really like the looks of the MSR.

blackops
January 4, 2010, 04:04 AM
I like all of them except for the MCS. Good post.

Bobarino
January 4, 2010, 05:01 AM
first and foremost, the ACR and MSR.....I WANT!!!!!!

second, don't care how the videos were obtained, i still WANT!!!

i've recently taken up long range precision shooting and the MSR is just about what i was looking for when i bought all my stuff. i'm still assembling but given the chance, i would have bought and MSR off the shelf in a heartbeat!

i have a tricked out Bushy M4 wannabe that i would gladly trade for an ACR if given the chance. Dear Remington, bring this stuff to market ASAP! if you pull and HK on us and only offer to mil/police, you've lost my business forever, just like HK. i have and very much like a USP C .40. but i wouldn't buy another HK product until they get more civvy friendly. same for Remmy or any other. and my new rifle is based on a Rem 700!

third: quit lollygaggin' and get this stuff in the stores!!

and that's all i have to say about that....

Bobarino
January 4, 2010, 05:06 AM
I like all of them except for the MCS.

i agree with one caveat. having this shotgun in use is beneficial for us because of the wording of both Heller and Parker. a short barreled shotgun would be "in common use" thus negating the "dangerous and unusual" aspect of the Heller ruling. the more companies that make shotties like this the better for us it is.

Bobby

Snakum
January 4, 2010, 09:09 AM
Nice big green has put forth so much effort into the design of much needed military weapons...(sarcastic) we really need more military/LE weapons, right...never mind the crap they are churning out in the civi sector...the corner of the market that makes the most money.

LMAO. Very true. Savage, Thompson/Center, and Marlin are kicking their butts in sporting arms quality and value while Cerebrus is running a wild goose chase trying to move into Colt's domain. I wonder how long it will be before DPMS' quality takes a hit? They're known for value and reasonable dependability among ARs (except from the Colt fanboies :D ) but I'll bet Cerebrus accounting will fix that. Those fools can tear up an anvil in a sandpit with a rubber hammer.

10mm Mike
January 4, 2010, 10:38 AM
I dont know about the others, but the MSR video is the same video up at remingtonmilitary.com

Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow
January 4, 2010, 10:41 AM
They probably accidentally leaked them on purpose because once SHOT starts, there's a lot of oxygen being sucked up by everyone and their dog, so why not get some buzz out a little early, to capitalize on the pre-SHOT excitement?

On the ACR - wow, it does almost everything the XCR does - and only 3 or 4 years later - cool!

Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow
January 4, 2010, 11:00 AM
i agree with one caveat. having this shotgun in use is beneficial for us because of the wording of both Heller and Parker. a short barreled shotgun would be "in common use" thus negating the "dangerous and unusual" aspect of the Heller ruling. the more companies that make shotties like this the better for us it is.

Yep, Bobarino is exactly right on that!

I have to say, I like the new M24, and it's big brother, the MSR. Now, if they'd just take the M24, shorten the handguard to half its length to save weight, get rid of the detachable mag in favor of a fixed one, and chamber it in .280 rem, and you'd have exactly what I want, for an all-purpose hunter & "tactical" rifle.

EdLaver
January 4, 2010, 01:22 PM
Wow they have a lot of great new products coming out. Doubt I will be able to afford any though...:)

janobles14
January 4, 2010, 01:39 PM
^^ oh yeah....i have no doubt that a second or third mortgage will need to be taken out on any one of these things.

Schuey2002
January 15, 2010, 03:49 AM
The clock is ticking down on the Bushmaster's website:

http://www.bushmaster.com/acr/

Uncle Mike
January 15, 2010, 05:56 AM
The Bushmaster ACR, a piston drive AR with looks very similar to the FN SCAR.

I like the looks of the Bushmaster ACR better than the SCAR.

The Adaptive Combat Rifle...ACR
Quick change barrels, removable handguards, barrels offered in 16", 14.5"and 11.5", Quick change stock from fixed to folding and a rail running across the entire top of the rifle, folding sights, adjustable cheek piece, winter trigger guard, M4 barrel(grenade launcher cut), flash hider, left side, non reciprocating charging handle with forward assist.

Calibers Lower #1..... .223, and the 6.8.

Calibers lower #2..... 7.62, .308 and the 6.5

The lower must be changed to accommodate the larger calibers due to magwell size.

ArmedBear
January 15, 2010, 11:57 AM
Here's the latest stolen video from Remington corporate headquarters.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YR71GnQ4CU4

Uncle Mike
January 15, 2010, 12:05 PM
My sides hurt from laughing so hard...excellent AB!

but, how did you sneak that out of Remington's headquarters?

ArmedBear
January 15, 2010, 12:26 PM
I can't say how I got it...;)

But haven't you ever wondered why America's Oldest Gunmaker lacked the in-house expertise to assemble an AR-15, so they felt the need to buy not just one, but TWO companies that did?:D

Uncle Mike
January 15, 2010, 12:42 PM
Reality...Cerberus does not care about you or your gun fetish, they do not care about doing anything in-house and I would guess they might like to outsource the whole mess,
they only care about money, and how make more of it.

The AR's are hot right now...hey, let's buy up a few AR manufacturers, we'll get rid of the competition and we'll make a dollar!

AB...you used to be one of them thar super secret under the covers agents.....didn't you!?! KGBCIAFBIBATFETSA type... hey can you tell us who was on the grassy knoll?
....better yet, just where is Jimmy Hoffa!?! lol hehehehehehe

ArmedBear
January 15, 2010, 12:50 PM
they only care about money, and how make more of it.


The problem is that this doesn't work for very long.

My father worked for Voit, which was probably the top sporting goods maker in the US, and they were bought by AMF, the 1960s/1970s version of Cerberus -- you know, the company that bankrupted Harley-Davidson and many others.

They figured they could take these companies, put cronies in top positions, engage in "cost-cutting", and live on the brands' past reputation. They deep-sixed a series of American companies that way, and from what I can see, Remington is on the same path under Cerberus.

I only hope that somebody else buys Marlin at some point. They make some guns that I'd really miss.

paintballdude902
January 15, 2010, 01:30 PM
Get your facts straight...it was a tactical little red wagon.

wait...... howd you find out about the tactwag?

adobewalls
January 15, 2010, 01:41 PM
http://www.remingtonmilitary.com/ACR/acr.htm#/intro

No theft required

Bobarino
January 15, 2010, 01:51 PM
so is this thing going to be sold under the Bushmaster name or Remington? or both? i think it's a very cool gun and i'd be willing to sell my AR and get one but i think i'll wait a year or so to see what happens when it's in the public's hands and i see some first hand reports. i'm also not willing to pay $2k for it unless it comes with an EOTech or something. i guess i have that much into my AR but it's all decked out the way i want. guess we'll just have to wait and see. and what's with these countdown timer things? just release it already!

Justin
January 15, 2010, 02:49 PM
Just before SHOT Show, someone happens to "steal" videos from Remington and post them on the internet?

Yeah, leak, whatever.

Uncle Mike
January 15, 2010, 02:56 PM
so is this thing going to be sold under the Bushmaster name or Remington?
Bushmaster is what we were told. And plan on a near $2000 retail sticker!

Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow
January 15, 2010, 06:41 PM
Point of clarification: The Rem ACR is NOT an "AR" rifle; not even an "AR-style" rifle. Thank you for your cooperation. :p

AB, good one, lol.

Maverick223
January 15, 2010, 08:29 PM
I only hope that somebody else buys Marlin at some point. They make some guns that I'd really miss.I agree, there is no other good alternative to their line of lever rifles IMO...I hope they do not turn the way of Big Green (bout too late to save them).

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svaz
January 16, 2010, 01:22 AM
Interesting guns, hope they have other than Remington ammo for them.

That'll be in the ACR 2.0 upgrade. The rifle will do an EEPROM check on the magazine to make sure it is a genuine Remington product before allowing the rifle to load - to ensure the safety of the soldier and maximize user satisfaction, of course.

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