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Shadow Man
January 3, 2010, 06:08 PM
What do you know about them? If their products are as good as they seem to be, I'm thinking of mounting them on a few different rifle platforms. So, any information about them would be helpful.

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SpeedAKL
January 3, 2010, 06:12 PM
Never had any first hand experience with them, but I have yet to hear anything bad about their optics. They seem to be about the best pieces money can buy. Note that you can get each scope customized in a variety of ways, USO is almost like a high-end custom shop for optics...

USSR
January 3, 2010, 06:33 PM
Superb optics, but just keep in mind they are very Heavy!

Don

Shadow Man
January 3, 2010, 06:35 PM
Superb optics, but just keep in mind they are very Heavy!


Ah. How heavy, exactly? I mean, absurdely so?

Boba Fett
January 3, 2010, 07:21 PM
Check out Sniper Central for a review on a US Optics scope:

http://www.snipercentral.com/uso.htm


Considering the cost of their scopes, dare I ask what rifles they will be going on?

Shadow Man
January 3, 2010, 07:31 PM
Chandler and custom 417. Yeah, they are pricey, but, I understand you get what you pay for.

Maverick223
January 3, 2010, 08:00 PM
If you are looking for an optic that you would like customized look no further than USO, they are well made, very good optically, with very good service; and you can get the scope made to your specifications, with just about any feature that you want.

US Optics are among the best in the world, but that comes at a fairly steep price. The are a first class optic amongst which are only include the following IMO: Schmidt & Bender, Hensoldt, and Premier Reticles. Nightforce and Leupold Mk. 4 are also very good but IMO they lack in a few areas that the aforementioned do not (primarily WRT glass quality, not they are bad, just not as good). Of these the Premier Reticles Heritage is the most affordable IF you do not want certain features and they make a model to suit your needs. They currently only make a 3-15x50mm and 5-25x56mm, but it has been reported that there are plans to produce a lower powered "Designated Marksman" style optic (should be about 2-10x44mm, lighter, and smaller), but this has not been confirmed. Their glass rivals all other optics that I have peered through (which includes all of the above except for Hensoldt) with the exception of S&B, which I honestly couldn't tell apart. I like the features (double turn elevation indicator, MTC adjustments, illumination in the side focus assembly, et cetera) a bit better, but that is very subjective. If you are interested in a PR scope drop me a PM and I can probably get you a little better deal (about $500.00 off of retail) from the gentleman that I bought mine from (who is an authorized retailer FWIW).

:)

Boba Fett
January 3, 2010, 08:03 PM
Ah. How heavy, exactly? I mean, absurdely so?

Check their site:
http://www.usoptics.com/

Depends on the scope. Looks like most range from 1.5 to 2.5. But some are as high as 4.5 and some are as low as 0.80.

Maverick223
January 3, 2010, 08:42 PM
What magnification and features are you looking for?

USSR
January 3, 2010, 09:53 PM
Ah. How heavy, exactly? I mean, absurdely so?

I had the ST-10 model. Clearest optics I have ever seen, but heavy as I said. I replaced it with a Leupold 3.5-10x40LR M3 that had Premier Reticle's Gen 2 mildot reticle and was much lighter.

Don

taliv
January 3, 2010, 10:40 PM
i have the exact scope reviewed in boba's link atop my SR-25, except mine is a 35MM tube and black and has a slightly different MIL reticle.

http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/8135/sr25a.jpg

no question, it is a fine optic and i agree completely with everything they said in the review, except of course about the color. and yeah, it's not light.


http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/7753/sr25aam5.jpg

http://img56.imageshack.us/img56/1073/scopeassembly1ns5.jpg

http://img78.imageshack.us/img78/8468/scopeassembly2ct8.jpg

i'm quite fond of it, though i would probably not buy another USO.

Maverick223
January 3, 2010, 10:58 PM
I'm quite fond of it, though i would probably not buy another USO.Why is that...and what would you choose for a replacement (not that you will ever need one, unless you loose or sell it)?

:)

taliv
January 3, 2010, 11:13 PM
pm sent, mav

Maverick223
January 3, 2010, 11:44 PM
PM responded to, thank you for the information.

:)

Shadow Man
January 4, 2010, 12:11 AM
PM's are fantastic, but that doesn't help me out in the slightest.

Maverick, I am in the market for two (2) optics. One, a primary duty-rifle optic with capability for: CQB, mid-range engangement and the occasional long-range shot. Fixed or variable power. Two, a long range precision instrument, capable of handling heavier recoil. Range anywhere from 100-1500yds. Both scopes need to be durable. I don't plan on throwing them off cliffs or anything, but bumps and knocks can (probably will) occur. Yes, weight is a consideration, but you do not need to tell me that larger, more powerful and durable scopes weigh more.

taliv
January 4, 2010, 12:23 AM
shadow man, check out this review http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=174770

note, that is 4 years old and a lot changes in 4 years, as noted in the article a mere year later

Shadow Man
January 4, 2010, 12:43 AM
A good read Taliv, much apreciated. Our precision optics are currently S&B's, but we've been kicking around an upgrade for a little while, and USO caught our eyes. I wonder just how much has changed in those 4 years?

Maverick223
January 4, 2010, 12:46 AM
One, a primary duty-rifle optic with capability for: CQB, mid-range engangement and the occasional long-range shot. Fixed or variable power.I would take a good look at IOR (both fixed and SFP variable models), Zeiss (Conquest), and Leupold (Mk. 4) offerings for this use. These are not as durable as some of the other options, but will have great optical clarity with much less weight, and at much less expense. I would not dismiss them unless I wanted the utmost strength and durability and/or front focal plane variable power. If this is the case Hensoldt may be the ticket, but I have no experience with that particular optic.

Two, a long range precision instrument, capable of handling heavier recoil. Range anywhere from 100-1500yds.
For this optic I would look no further than a Premier Reticles Heritage in either 3-15x50mm or my choice the 5-25x56mm.

It would behoove you to heed Zak's advice, he has much more experience with all of the aforementioned platforms than I (or most others here); read up on his optics articles and then drop him a PM once you have your selections narrowed down a bit.

:)

Shadow Man
January 4, 2010, 12:54 AM
Can do, thank you for the help Maverick. I don't want to sound picky, but I've used the Leupold before and personally it sat too high, and was not precise enough...but now I sound like I'm whining ;)

Indeed, Zak is quite the expert, I would agree. What do you think my chances are of getting ahold of him? I haven't seen hide nor hair of his in quite awhile...

taliv
January 4, 2010, 12:57 AM
what about the S&B did you want to upgrade?

i'm not clear on why you're blaming the leupold for sitting too high. wouldn't that be the fault of whoever mounted it using the wrong bases? it's not like MK 4s have an 80mm bell on them or something

Shadow Man
January 4, 2010, 01:10 AM
Taliv, I believe the armorer's used the supplied Leupold base, but I'm not 100% on that. It's been awhile since we have used the Leupold MK-4. It was a fine optic for 0-100yds, but for anything past that, it was not precise enough for our needs.

The S&B's are getting old; they don't hold their zero as well anymore, the lenses have seen better days...simple wear and tear on a hard-use scope. I wasn't dissatisfied with the S&B by any means, but an increase in funding meant I could shop around a little more, and I wanted to see what other options were out there.

rangerruck
January 4, 2010, 01:33 AM
I wonder; what is Unertl doing these days; anything?

Maverick223
January 4, 2010, 01:41 AM
Can do, thank you for the help Maverick. I don't want to sound picky, but I've used the Leupold before and personally it sat too high, and was not precise enough...but now I sound like I'm whiningNo problem, glad to be of service. You want what you want, I understand completely. Honestly, I don't favor Mk. 4s myself, not because they are bad, only because I like others better for the same price.

What do you think my chances are of getting ahold of him? I haven't seen hide nor hair of his in quite awhile...You don't know till you try, he hasn't been around too much lately (but I know he has a lot going on), however he usually responds fairly quickly IIRC.

I wonder; what is Unertl doing these days; anything?I believe they are extinct, hopefully they won't be revived in the same fashion as Leatherwood (now made in China), but will make an honest comeback and make a good scope like the originals. Those old Unertyls were built like a tank, but the optics (or rather the coatings) don't compare to modern optics IMO.

:)

50 Shooter
January 4, 2010, 02:01 AM
If you want a 21st century version of an Unertl scope and have the money, look at the U.S. Optics SN-9. http://www.usoptics.com/product.php?partnumber=SN9-2200

Maverick223
January 4, 2010, 02:46 AM
If you want a 21st century version of an Unertl scope and have the money, look at the U.S. Optics SN-9.If you want the real thing look at the MST-100 (http://www.usoptics.com/product.php?partnumber=MST-100), a genuine USGI refurbished (with all of the modern upgrades) Unertyl (but it is the "new" style with internal adjustments)...but doesn't come cheap, nor light, or with variable magnification.

:)

Zak Smith
February 11, 2010, 02:01 AM
I am not hard to get a hold of, however, I do not have so much "forum" time any more.

On the subject of high-end scopes, I recently did a write-up of the Hensoldt 4-16, and in that article I covered the other high-end scopes in brief. The 2009 Tactical Operator magazine also had my 2009 high-end scope round-up article.

I would not consider USO to be an "upgrade" over a S&B PMII.


http://demigodllc.com/photo/SRM-2009.09/icon/h416.jpg
article | The Hensoldt 4-16x56mm: How does it stack up? (abbreviated version) http://demigodllc.com/icon/extwh3.png (http://demigodllc.com/articles/hensoldt-4-16x56-mm-scope-how-does-it-stack-up)

Note that I did as "objective" as an optical test as I could manage, using about 10 shooters' eyes. The Hensoldt and Premier were at the top.

Shadow Man
February 11, 2010, 10:40 AM
I am not hard to get a hold of, however, I do not have so much "forum" time any more.
My apologies sir, next time I'll send you an email.

Note that I did as "objective" as an optical test as I could manage, using about 10 shooters' eyes. The Hensoldt and Premier were at the top.
Many thanks. That was a good read.

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