Which 5.56/.223 rifles will run steel cased ammo


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Girodin
January 3, 2010, 10:53 PM
In your personal experience which 5.56 and/or .223 semi autos will reliably run steel cased ammo?

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Handgunner
January 3, 2010, 10:56 PM
Saiga.

slvrbulit12
January 3, 2010, 11:00 PM
I don't have any personel experience but I would think the Saiga in 223 as the AK designed rifle was built to run on steel case ammo.

M1key
January 3, 2010, 11:04 PM
Run reliably? Saiga...that's why I own a few.

briansmithwins
January 3, 2010, 11:08 PM
Either of my ARs work 100% with cheap steel Wolf. Both have chromed bores.

Never had a problem with it either. The nice thing about Wolf is it's so underpowered that if your rifle works with Wolf you know it'll work with anything. BSW

BurningSaviour
January 3, 2010, 11:18 PM
I use it in my Mini 14 all the time. I've run it in my AR before, though it's not something I make it a habit of doing (steel-on-steel, etc.).
I have a friend who uses it in his Kel Tec SU16.
But an AK platform would probably be best suited for it.

Extremely Pro Gun
January 3, 2010, 11:20 PM
My AR runs it all day, though I dont like to get it that dirty. IT WORKS!

1832
January 3, 2010, 11:21 PM
The only AR I have that doesn't like steel cased ammo is my match CMP. I suspect it's because of tighter chamber tolerances. That being said, I run steel cased ammo through all three of my other AR uppers (24, 20, and 16" bbls) without a stutter. You do have to learn to use a chamber brush regularly, since the steel cased ammo carbons up a chamber faster, which is the main cause of short-stroking. The chrome lined bbls and chambers will run it without a problem for a much longer time between cleanings.

My buddy says, "If your AR can't shoot Wolf ammo, put a skirt on it." :)

RockyMtnTactical
January 3, 2010, 11:47 PM
Any that are good quality.

I have better luck with Bear than Wolf though.

BurningSaviour
January 3, 2010, 11:52 PM
Well, there's different grades of Wolf ammo, manufactured by different companies, and that's something worth keeping in mind, as well. Wolf doesn't actually manufacture the ammo - Tula Cartridge Works, Prvi Partisan, and others are the actual manufacturers (I forget the name of the company that manufactures their target .22 ammo, but it's in Germany somewhere).

PMROY
January 4, 2010, 12:11 AM
From Wikipedia
Wolf Ammunition is a Russian clearinghouse company that sells ammunition produced in former state-owned (USSR) factories. Some of the ammunition is made in the Tula arms factory while some is foreign made with Wolf markings (for example their .22 target ammunition is made in Germany). The company is known for providing good quality ammunition at relatively low prices. Wolf produces ammunition in the most popular rifle and pistol calibers. Almost all of it comes in polymer-coated (previously lacquered), steel cartridge cases.[citation needed]

Unlike some foreign suppliers of such bargain-price ammo, Wolf's is non-corrosive.

EdLaver
January 4, 2010, 12:12 AM
golden bear works fine in my ARs

Girodin
January 4, 2010, 01:09 AM
I'll add this just an academic question I had and was discussing with some one the other day it.

My experience:

5.56 AK variants: run it great

AR 15: this one depends there is such a huge variation in whats out there that AR is in some ways an amorphous term. Some ARs yes some no.

STG 5.56: I experienced a stuck case after a few hundred rounds.

Mini 14: seem to run steel case fine

Others that I am interested in but do not have experience shooting any significant amount of steel cased ammo through:

Sig 556

FS 2000

C93/HK 93

XCR

FN SCAR

Daewoo DR200

And any others I'm not thinking of right now.

nalioth
January 4, 2010, 01:11 AM
Any that are good quality.

We have a winnah!

rangerruck
January 4, 2010, 01:22 AM
any of your ak types will do it reliably; tantal, galil, saiga, Krebs custom, golani,
etc. I do have lots experience with ar's, but not running them with steel ammo, so I cannot say on ar's. Remmy 7400's can do it as well, and I think the old winny 99's, if they were chambered in 223/ could do it.
If I were to pick ar types that I would bet could do it, I would say Daewoo, sig, h/k, fn, ruger mini,
armalite 180b, maybe the fs, maybe the stg.

eatatjoes
January 4, 2010, 01:34 AM
Funnily enough the only problems I've had with steel cased ammo have been in a 5.56 Saiga. Had 2-3 stuck cases with polymer Wolf during the first 500 rounds.

WoofersInc
January 4, 2010, 02:25 AM
From personal experiance I know that Wolf has run fine in my Bushmaster AR, my DPMS AR, my Galil, My HK93, and my Deawoo DR200. That is in 223. I have several AK's that all run fine with Wolf in both 7.62x39 and 5.45x39. My PSL has run Wolf 7.62x54R also. I have also run .308 Wolf through my G3 and FAL clones without problems.

nalioth
January 4, 2010, 02:30 AM
any of your ak types will do it reliably; tantal, galil, saiga, Krebs custom, golani,

Did you mean "Beryl (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kbs_wz._1996_Beryl)" ?

The Tantal (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tantal) is chambered for the 5.45x39 soviet standard round.

P.S. "Krebs Customs" are Saigas.

hoodfu
January 4, 2010, 12:55 PM
On my new (less than 2 months old) Bushmaster XM15, I had about 4-5 stuck casings out of 600 rounds of Wolf black box .223 remington. The last one was so bad that a dewey rod couldn't knock it out, and I had to brace the charging handle against the bench, and slam the butt of the gun very hard several times to finally free it. I'm at the point where I won't use steel case anymore for fear of damaging the barrel or BCG.

Hatterasguy
January 4, 2010, 07:02 PM
The Sig5XX series usualy doesn't have any trouble with it. I have run just about everything threw my 556 and it just eats it up. Last time I went to the range I made up a mixed mag of about 5-6 different brands, some .223, a little 5.56, some 55, 62, and 75 grain and some uber cheap steel crap just to see if it would jam. It shot it all.

TexasRifleman
January 4, 2010, 07:22 PM
In your personal experience which 5.56 and/or .223 semi autos will reliably run steel cased ammo?

All of them? This a trick question?

mp510
January 4, 2010, 11:00 PM
My Bushmaster AR upper has no problems with Wolf Military Classic or Silver Bear.

wally
January 4, 2010, 11:15 PM
All of them work fine in my experience, unless the extractor is marginal. I'd rather find out about it shooting Wolf at the range than some situation that mattered.

--wally.

Kurt_D
January 4, 2010, 11:33 PM
For me:
Mini (as long as you used the factory 5 rounders), 2 Bushy ARs, Sig556 and an Arsenal SLR-106. Pretty much every 5.56/.223 rifle I own. The Bushies and Mini ate the weak Wolf stuff from back in the day and all of them (minus the Mini I no longer have) eat the Monarch/Brown Bear I have now.

Girodin
January 5, 2010, 03:39 AM
All of them? This a trick question?

You own or have shot significant quatnities of steel cased ammo throuhg all the various models of semi auto .223 rifles available in the US? You must have either a hell of a collection or access to lots of guns.

Further my STG 5.556 wont reliably run the stuff. I don't consider a stuck cases after 100-200 rounds as reliable.

MarineOne
January 5, 2010, 03:47 AM
I've run some steel cased through my Bushmaster with no problems, but I keep an extra extractor on hand knowing it might let go.

My SKS will eat anything and everything .... except WWB. For some reason it just doesn't like that ammo.

TexasRifleman
January 5, 2010, 10:40 AM
Further my STG 5.556 wont reliably run the stuff. I don't consider a stuck cases after 100-200 rounds as reliable.

Then I would take it up with the manufacturer as a warranty issue. The owners manual for that rifle does not say to avoid steel cased ammo.

http://www.msarinc.com/downloads/stg556manual.pdf

There is no reason a gun should NOT function the same with steel cased ammo as brass, and if one DOES have trouble then it's not working correctly.
It's my opinion that we should hold these gun makers accountable for selling rifles that won't shoot this type of ammo, especially today when ammo is harder to get.

Ammo meeting the SAAMI or NATO specs should work in a gun that claims to shoot SAAMI or NATO ammo, or the gun needs to be sent back.

These threads pop up all the time and no one has ever shown a firearm design that just WON'T shoot steel case ammo reliably. One here, one there, but never an entire line of a specific model. They usually end up in a religious "AK v AR" thing....

So, the answer to the question "What gun shoots steel cased ammo reliably" should be "All of them". I wasn't trying to be funny.

WhoKnowsWho
January 8, 2010, 01:43 AM
My AR with Model 1 Sales upper shoots Hornday and Wolf steel case ammo fine.

Maverick223
January 8, 2010, 02:31 AM
My M17S will do fine with steel cased Bear (gold, silver, or puke colored), but doesn't cycle using Wolf.

:)

Onesiphorus
January 8, 2010, 07:03 AM
Saiga!

FMJMIKE
January 8, 2010, 10:08 PM
My Mini-14 fires steel case ammo just fine.
http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e350/mbmphoto/Mini14SSA.jpg

rodneync
February 2, 2010, 09:21 PM
I had an idea that I don't want to try with my Kel-Tec PLR-16. Has anyone used spray-on moly on the cases to see if it minimizes the problem of weak cycling? In my own warped logic, it should significantly reduce the friction resulting in more forceful cycling and reduced stress on the extractor????

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