[Mastrogiacomo]

I'm guessing I'm voting for Bush but no idea which candidate is the strongest on protecting the 2nd Amendment. Dean doesn't sound like a winner but where's Bush on the issues? I wish the NRA had a political guide. We don't need any more restrictions than what we already have in Massachusetts....:barf:

[Barbara]

Whoever the Libs run. After the Patriot Act and related bills were passed, I can't see that it really matters anymore. Bush'll sign the AWB if it comes to him and so will Dean if he gets the chance.

[7.62FullMetalJacket]

The lesser of two weevils.

[Chris Rhines]

Unlikely that I'll vote; I usually have more productive things to do with my time.

If I do find myself in a voting booth with no means of escape, I'll pull the lever for whichever Libertarian candidate is on the ballot.

- Chris

[Barbara]

Gack! You can't be serious!

President I'll skip. But I'm voting against every one of those #*@& who voted for the so-called Patriot Act.

Closer to home, though, I even vote in school board and other local elections. These elections get almost completely ignored and they are where our next Representatives come from. If we can get strong people in those local seats, they get name recognition and political clout.

[JohnBT]

I'm wait and see who's on the ballot.

Barbara - Why are you going to vote for a Liberal?

John

[Shooter 2.5]

I'm going to do everything I can to keep the dems from getting back into power.

That means working for the Republicans by going door to door, working phone banks, putting up yard signs and voting a straight ticket.

Dems = Evil

[GySgt]

Barbara, listen to Shooter 2.5 !!!

[Bob Locke]

And don't give me the "They're better than the Democrats" line, either. If you can't make an affirmative case for your candidate or party, then you shouldn't be supporting or voting for them, IMO.

Since this forum is generally about firearms, I'd like to hear what the Republicans have done for our gun rights lately. (And by "lately" I mean "ever".)

[Barbara]

Libertarians, not Liberals.

I'm still not clear on what the Dems would do that the Republicans wouldn't. Increase spending? Sign the AWB? Increase government control of our personal lives?

[Sergeant Bob]

The main issue I know of that the Republicrats have over the Demicans is judicial appointments. Bush has a few pretty good nominees (which so far he and his merry men have thrown under the bus) who seem to be pro Constitution.
I'd hate to see who a Dem president would nominate.

[Barbara]

That's a pretty decent argument, anyway. Better than *they're just better, dang it!"

:)

Think we know each other? I only live about 10 miles away from you.

[Sergeant Bob]

Think we know each other? I only live about 10 miles away from you.
Probably not. I only know one Barb in town and she definitely doesn't have credentials like yours. MCRGO Director & Activist. SAS Charter Member. GOA Lifer. NRA. MGO. CPL Holder
I was an MCRGO member, but never made it to any of the meetings. Let my membership drop during all the "confusion".
I live out near Kinderhook, in the Swamp. :D

[feedthehogs]

While the Republicans have not done much in the way of 2nd amendment issues during this administration, they have been pretty busy with the conflict in the sand box. I wonder what would be different if the towers were never attacked?

However, the clearly over zealous gun grabbers are Democrats and while the swing of the legislators is important, remember how influence works on the White House. Hollywood and its anti gun minions would deluge a Democrat White House and legislature. Who knows what could happen.

The Patriot Act was not needed. Only thing needed was to restore the FBI and CIA from the Clinton years and give the immigration department a good kick in the butt. Like most if not all government agencys, they are a miserable tay payer funded failure.

There are consequences to not voting. That is why we are where we are today. Voter apathy is an excuse for just being lazy.

Bobs comment on what influence an administration holds is a prime example.

[Obiwan]

President Bush's AG has confirmed the 2A to be an individual right.

That seems like a pretty big plus.


I think there would be MORE anti-gun legislation proposed , and possibly enacted , if the current administration was not there .

[Oracle]

Like Barbara, I'll be voting for the Libertarian candidate. I'm through with voting for anti-gun, socialist party A (Democrats) or anti-gun, socialist party B (Republicans). Neither party has done anything to enhance my liberty lately, so neither party is getting my vote.

[Boats]

Here we go again.:rolleyes:

If you say Democrat you will be ostracized by nearly everyone here.

If you say Republican, you will be castigated for your preference despite the fact that Democrats will appoint judges who will find any further federal power grab against your guns immediately constitutional since their nominees are all conditioned to the "militia only" model of the 2A. However there isn't a plug nickle's worth of difference between the two statist parties. "No one is so blind as he who will not see" and all that.

If you say Libertarian, you will be hailed by many here, by the mere fact that just about every Libertarian supporter in America, all couple thousand of them, post here.:D

[ojibweindian]

I voted a Libertarian ticket the last go-around, but this time I will be more selective.

I will definitely be voting for Robert Aderholt, a Republican, for my district's House seat. Besides him, however, I have no idea as of yet.

[Werewolf]

Well - I've never voted for a single Demonrat in the 33 years I've been voting and that's not going to change.

Lately though the difference between the Demonrats and the Republicans has all but disappeared. There's still just enough rightness in the Repubs to differentiate the two but not much.

Which is why I'm seriously considering voting Libertarian this time around. This creates a real conflict in me since voting Libertarian is in general stealing votes from the Repubs and allows a demonrat to win. But I'm to the point now where I just don't care anymore. Which is why I'll more than likely be voting Libertarian.

Eventually - maybe - if all the people who believe they are throwing away their vote on a third party just go ahead and vote that third party then that third pary can actually win.

Most people are really Libertarians - problem is they just don't know it.

[whoami]

And don't give me the "They're better than the Democrats" line, either. If you can't make an affirmative case for your candidate or party, then you shouldn't be supporting or voting for them, IMO.

Since this forum is generally about firearms, I'd like to hear what the Republicans have done for our gun rights lately. (And by "lately" I mean "ever".)

Just doing a quick search on Thomas, I found the following:

S.1224/H.R.2043
Firearms Safety and Consumer Protection Act of 2003
Corzine(D)/Kennedy(D)

H.R.260
Gun Show Background Check Act of 2003
Conyers(D)

S.1431/H.R.2038
Assault Weapons Ban and Law Enforcement Protection Act of 2003
Corzine(D)/McCarthy(D)

S.969
Homeland Security Gun Safety Act of 2003
Lautenberg(D)

H.R.76
Child Gun Safety and Gun Access Prevention Act of 2003
Jackson-Lee(D)

S.1706/H.R.3237
NICS Improvement Act of 2003
Schumer(D)/McCarthy(D)



H.R.2789
Citizens' Self-Defense Act of 2003
Wilson(R)

H.R.3193
District of Columbia Personal Protection Act
Souder(R)

S.659/H.R.1036
Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act
Craig(R)/Stearns(R)

H.R.193
Second Amendment Rights Protection Act of 2003
Hefley(R)


So, from a legislative perspective, we've got Democrats proposing the usual anti themes (more crimes to exempt one from firearms ownership, shutting down gun shows, banning guns, more 'safety' requirements), and we have Republicans proposing reaffirming the right to self defense, the abolition of the DC 'ban', protecting firearms manufacturers from being shut down by frivolous lawsuits, and declaring the second amendment as an individual right.

Yep....no difference between the two whatsoever.
:D

[Augustwest]

I'll be voting LP at the national level. Pickin' and choosin' at the local level.

[Mastrogiacomo]

While I admire those that vote Libertarian, we've never had a Libertarian candidate win the White House, have we? Not even close as I recall...Therefore, I'd like my vote to count by voting for a candidate that actually has a chance at winning. Since we all know it'll seriously come down to either Republican and Democrats -- I'd rather piss off a liberal and vote Republican again....:D

[Frohickey]

I live in the Bay Area.
I live near San Francisco
I live in a communist state
I live in Kalifornia

Kalifornia will probably go Democrat, and so, all of its 55 electoral votes will go Democrat.
I can vote for the Libertarian candidate who is more solid in 2nd Amendment than GWB or any Democrat will ever be.

Increasing the Libertarian votes gathered might just open some Democrat or Republican National Committee official that their position sucks.

[10-Ring]

I'm voting to re-elect the President. It is really the middle 4 years where the most is accomplished in an 8 year administration. The economy is starting to turn around & I'd like to see Bush finish the work he's started on the war on terror. I'd hate to see the dem's turn Iraq over to the UN & then in turn back to Saddam.

[2dogs]

The only thing of which I am 100% sure- not a Democrat.

After 20 years as a Dem (not the last 10) I would never again vote for one unless they exhibited a 180 degree turn around from what they are now. One way they could demonstrate that is by becoming solidly pro 2A . (deep breath.............now hold......).

While voting may be an empty gesture I am willing to make the symbollic effort before my hands become "cold, dead".

The idealistic part of me will vote Libertarian ( I also seesaw toward the Constitution Party except for their inane drug stance) and the practical part of me will probably vote for GWB (I agree with the WOT and am not worried about the Patriot Act until the Socialists- I mean Democrats get back into power) IF there is at least a bone thrown to the pro-gun crowd, like AWB sunsets or some other inane gun edict is reversed.

[MPFreeman]

President - Bush (R)

House of Reps - Boyer (R)

Senate - (L)

Local stuff - Straight libertarian.

[Barbara]

Nope, Bob, I probably don't know you. Don't think I've ever even been to Kinderhook. Too bad. As far as the group here goes, its not one of my prouder accomplishments just now. See my signature for details.

Blech. Just got home from the 7th district House Republican debate here. Maybe I'm not even a Republican at all. All of them like the Patriot Act, only a few gave lip service to 2A (and I live in probably the most rural, conservative county in the state, even when we have a Dem run, they're smart enough to do it as pro-2a, pro-life), they all want to cut spending, except on their special projects, which they believe need more funding..the money to come from somewhere, but no specifics were given.

All of them liked God and apple pie, though.