How much did I lower the value on this rifle?


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hometheaterman
January 4, 2010, 11:20 PM
So I have a Browning BAR 30-06 and I decided to bubba it and now regret it.
Anyway, I finally got tired of having the forearm rubbing against the barrel on one side and rubbing the bluing off. I'm not sure if the barrel isn't square in the receiver or if the forearm wasn't cut straight or what. Anyway, I decided to sand the forearm down until it fit without touching. I did and now I have a lot more wood on one side than the other. If you look at it you can tell clearly. I could sand the other side but then it would leave a lot larger gap on one side.

Anyway, here are pictures of how it looks now.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v445/hometheaterman/BARForearm018.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v445/hometheaterman/BARForearm022.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v445/hometheaterman/BARForearm021.jpg

You can see how on the right side if you are looking at those pictures it has more wood. So how much did I lower the value of the gun by bubbaing it like this?

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H&Hhunter
January 4, 2010, 11:22 PM
You can always get a new forend.

hometheaterman
January 4, 2010, 11:25 PM
If I run across a decent price on a used one I will probably pick it up. However, I'm not going to pay $200 for a forearm that is on a hunting rifle that gets all scratched up anyway. I just wondered realistically how much did I hurt the value of this. Should I have left it rubbing the barrel? I don't know if my barrel isn't true to the receiver or if this was cut off center or why it is rubbing on one side. You can see how I had to take soo much off that one side that it threw the look off.

GunsAmerica Fan
January 4, 2010, 11:25 PM
How much you lowered the value is a question of who is selling it. When you sell it you are going to probably post that information in the ad, so you've probably made the gun into a grade B. But take heart, that is exactly the deal many many people online are looking for and you will be able to get a good price for it regardless, because you of course didn't hurt the function of the gun.

Now, that guy, he probably won't even mention it in his ad because he conveniently forgot all about it, so he'll get full price, and two months down the road the third buyer will notice it and think it's a factory option lol. No worries.

hometheaterman
January 4, 2010, 11:35 PM
I'm that guy that would mention it. I'm so particular about stuff myself and I hate when I buy something and people don't mention stuff like that to me. Therefore I always want the buyer happy and would have to mention it. I know it's bad for the sale of stuff but every time I sell something I usually point out all the flaws to the buyer. I've had a few sellers do this when I've bought something from them and I really appreciate it.

steelhead
January 4, 2010, 11:48 PM
More importantly how does it shoot.....

Rancho Relaxo
January 4, 2010, 11:53 PM
If you took a 3" gun and turned it into a 1" 100yd shooter, then tell the potential buyer about your "modification", but also include a target of how well it shoots. As a gun buyer accuracy is a real attention getter, especially when accompanied by real proof.

R.W.Dale
January 4, 2010, 11:58 PM
It will look much better when you seal the bbl channel

HGUNHNTR
January 5, 2010, 12:07 AM
^ Agreed seal the bbl channel.

It isn't a collectable type rifle so its value rest more with function than aesthetics. I think you did it a favor.

hometheaterman
January 5, 2010, 12:09 AM
What do you mean seal the bbl channel? Or do you mean finish the inside of the forearm? As far shooting it shoots pretty decent. I'd say 1.5" groups. It seemed like I got a group or two that was 1" or so then I got some bigger ones. I think the ones that are bigger are me pulling though. I had the scope hit me in the head and for some reason I have trouble not pulling when I shoot now. It seems like if I try to hold it tight to my shoulder it makes me pull it. If I hold it loosely I get great groups but every once in a while it will come back and hit me in the head.

I don't know if I'm just getting to be a better shot or if that helped the accuracy a little. It shoots well enough for me to hunt with but it's not a sub moa gun either.

hometheaterman
January 5, 2010, 12:15 AM
So would this be considered having bubbaed the rifle? You hear so many people saying they have gotten guns that have been bubbaed.

SteveCase
January 5, 2010, 12:15 AM
Hey isnt this on TFL, come on you posted this at 11:20 then you posted it on TFL at 11:21 good call on going here first, THR IMO better than TFL

MarineOne
January 5, 2010, 02:27 AM
I'm that guy that would mention it. I'm so particular about stuff myself and I hate when I buy something and people don't mention stuff like that to me. Therefore I always want the buyer happy and would have to mention it. I know it's bad for the sale of stuff but every time I sell something I usually point out all the flaws to the buyer. I've had a few sellers do this when I've bought something from them and I really appreciate it.

Some people call it morals, but I like to call it karma. Sometimes you get blessings back in spades .... sometimes you don't see it at all. Either way it will come full circle.

And then there are times it bites you squarely in your backside because you didn't follow the rules.

Dookie
January 5, 2010, 04:21 AM
You didn't bubba it, you fixed a problem. As for the decrease in value, only a person who is trying to get you to drop your price would call you on it.

If you had camoed it with krylon then I would say it is a bubba job.

Don't worry about it.

skidooman603
January 5, 2010, 04:56 AM
Not being a collector piece I would say, as others have, you fixed a problem. I would however let a potential buyer know of the mods...

CajunBass
January 5, 2010, 04:59 AM
I doubt anyone would notice unless you did tell them.

kingmt
January 5, 2010, 05:45 AM
If I buy a gun it is because I am planning on using it & it is a bigger turn off to see the barrel against the stock then it not looking square. I'm a little on the particular side also (as I'm told) but function is more important to me then look. I hate to buy something have to fix it before it works.

As you see with this gun even new gus need work. I wouldn't warry about it.

Also try holding down more then pulling into you. You will tighten your groups & won't get kicked in the head as much. If that is a high mounted scope instead of flush mounted it is more likely to hit you.

moooose102
January 5, 2010, 06:03 AM
i dont think you "bubba'd" the rife at all. probably the wood had warped a little, alowing it to rub against the barrel. you simply "clearanced" the forend so everything functioned like it should. also, good for you to have the moral standards to tell a prospective buyer what happened, and what you did. that kind of honesty builds trust, and if i was a prospective buyer, that would mean a lot to me.

rizbunk77
January 5, 2010, 08:58 AM
I dont think its a bad thing. You did fine.

hometheaterman
January 5, 2010, 10:41 AM
Ok, I relieved to hear that I didn't make the rifle totally unwanted.

Also try holding down more then pulling into you. You will tighten your groups & won't get kicked in the head as much. If that is a high mounted scope instead of flush mounted it is more likely to hit you.That's what I going to have to do. I think part of the reason it doesn't shoot super tight groups is because of me. Like I said if I try to pull back to hold it tight to my shoulder I seem to pull it when I pull the trigger. I think it's because I'm pulling backwards with my support hand. If I just kind of relax and don't hold it tight I can shoot decent groups with it but when I shoot it comes way back and once or twice has hit me in the forehead with the scope. This isn't the case with lower recoil rifles so I seem to do fine with them.

I have low scope rings on it but I think if I ever change them I'm going to get medium or high rings. I know I will probably get bashed for that as I always read to have the scope as close to the barrel as you can. However, it just feels kind of akward for me on here as it feels like I have to be hunched over when shooting to see through it. I've been shooting off a table with sandbags and sitting in a chair. So I'm sure the chair is part of the problem but it doesn't seem like I have to hunch over as much for ones with the high rings.

dogngun
January 5, 2010, 11:46 AM
It's a hunting rifle, not really a collector's item. Finish the raw wood so it is not so noticable, don't worry about it. As you said, it will get dinged and scratched while hunting anyway...besides, you could always just keep it.

mark

Art Eatman
January 5, 2010, 11:55 AM
SteveCase, since I moderate in the rifle forum at TFL as well as here, I feel just really insulted.

:D:D:D

And by the way, a really big no-no here is to bad-mouth another firearms website.

wishin
January 5, 2010, 12:15 PM
I think I can tell what you're trying to point out, but wouldn't it look more or less pronounced depending on the viewing angle? It's hard to tell if those photos were taken straight on top center. I suspect it bothers you more, because you're already aware of the difference. Show it to friends and family who appreciate guns and get first hand opinions. You might be surprised.............maybe not.

GunsAmerica Fan
January 5, 2010, 12:22 PM
I'm that guy that would mention it. I'm so particular about stuff myself and I hate when I buy something and people don't mention stuff like that to me. Therefore I always want the buyer happy and would have to mention it. I know it's bad for the sale of stuff but every time I sell something I usually point out all the flaws to the buyer. I've had a few sellers do this when I've bought something from them and I really appreciate it.

I think what comes around goes around and that if you are straight with people, even if there is no immediate benefit, it will ultimately be a blessing. Unfortunately the whole world doesn't live like that and it is very difficult. I tried to sell my MAC-10 several months ago on GA, and I put in the ad that I had gotten back from the gunsmith so that it fired reliably, but that it had been a problem gun, so this guy wins the auction (I auctioned it because of my statements), that included the carbine upper, 20 mags, mag pouches, the fake suppressor, and a snap on leather shoulder holster for the thing, for like $600, and he ends up complaining and trying to rip me off. I sent back his uncashed money order and still have the gun.

So you can't win for losing sometimes. Some people here don't think this is something you should disclose but I disagree. This is exactly the thing that people would not pick up in pictures and would notice down the road. If you feel you devalued the gun, you did. Even if you improved the gun, a non original gun is going to be worth less than an original gun, with brown guns almost always.

mcdonl
January 5, 2010, 12:32 PM
It is a small world Art :)

CZguy
January 5, 2010, 12:48 PM
So you can't win for losing sometimes. Some people here don't think this is something you should disclose but I disagree. This is exactly the thing that people would not pick up in pictures and would notice down the road.

I agree with this completely............it's just the right way to live.

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