Plastic moonclips? (Rimz)


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Idaho
November 13, 2003, 01:08 AM
Anyone ever use these?
Rimz (http://www.beckhamdesign.com/html/rimz_speedloaders.html)

Do they work well/not well/great/poor/other?

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Preacherman
November 13, 2003, 02:14 AM
Very interesting... Tomorrow morning I'm going to order some of them and try them out. If they work as advertised, they'll be a big improvement over the steel moonclips I've used up till now.

Range report to follow. :D

sm
November 13, 2003, 02:49 AM
Preacherman,
test them hard and heavy.
Heat, warping ( causing load/extraction problems), loosening up ( inabilityto hold rounds after a bit.
Not skeptical,just curious...something else in mind...:)

tcdrennen
November 13, 2003, 03:15 AM
I've seen them used in several IDPA matches locally - by the people making them, in fact. Scott and his son both use their moonclips and seem to have excellent and reliable results.

They shoot better than me, too. :uhoh:

if I were using a wheelgun competitively I'd get their moonclips. :cool:

One great advantage is you don't need tools to load or unload them.

farscott
November 13, 2003, 07:15 AM
After speaking with Scott Beckham, I ordered twenty-five of his RIMZ clips. Total cost, including shipping, was $27.50. Time from order to receipt was one week.

This is one of the few products that is a definite improvment over the current offerings. The rounds can be loaded and unloaded with no tools; only finger pressure is needed. Even better, these clips cannot be bent like the sheet metal clips, so the clips seem to last longer. While we did not get into the specific plastic used, it appears Mr. Beckham did his homework for durability and resistance to solvents.

The rounds will come free of the RIMZ if the loaded clip is dropped, but the RIMZ is not damaged. I have not had any rounds knocked loose during shooting, but I am not an IDPA whiz.

Some things to note:

1) These clips are designed to be used with the new M625 models. In fact, the specific revolver model was the first question Mr. Beckham asked of me. The older revolvers, especially the M25-2, will not work with these clips. They need to have some plastic removed in the area of the extractor star to fit the M25-2. This issue will be resolved in the near future.

2) At present, Mr. Beckham cannot take credit cards, and you must phone to order. I did so, sent him a check, and he sent me the clips before cashing my check.

3) It is rumored that there will be RIMZ for the M610 in the very near future.

RUT
November 13, 2003, 08:33 AM
>>The older revolvers, especially the M25-2, will not work with these clips.<<

I wonder if they ever will?? :confused:

Preacherman
November 13, 2003, 11:30 AM
I spoke with Mr. Beckham this morning - very polite gentleman. I've ordered some 625's to test, and I also invited him to take a look at this thread and (if he wishes to register) post any feedback he may have. Always good to hear from the horse's mouth on things like this! :D

farscott
November 13, 2003, 11:47 AM
I spoke with Mr. Beckham this morning - very polite gentleman. Yes, he is very polite, and he went out of his way to help me. Great customer service and strongly recommended.

scott45b
November 13, 2003, 12:29 PM
Hello everyone.
Greetings from Southern California. I received an invitation this morning to post on the thread of the RIMZ polymer moon clips designed and developed by my company. I will be monitoring the forum to answer any questions you may have.

I never intended to get into the plastic moon clip business, it just sort of happened. I purchased my 4" 625 approximately one year ago and hated the half moon clips shipped with the gun. I ordered some full moon clips and hated them twice as much. I could not figure out why a gun as nice as a 625 had to be such a pain to shoot. Since my career has been spent on dealing with solving unique problems in the development of plastic parts, the challenge was obvious. Make a moon clip that could be loaded and unloaded without the use of tools!

WonderNine
November 13, 2003, 12:42 PM
I wonder if he's going to be making any for the new Taurus 9mm revolver?

scott45b
November 13, 2003, 01:17 PM
Our current product offering on the plastic moon clips and other products in our development pipeline is as follows:
RIMZ 625 for newer model S&W .45 ACP revolvers - available now

RIMZ 610 10mm/.40 S&W - (used by Dan Short to take 1st place at Arizona Regional IDPA)
Available December 2003

RIMZ 25-625 for older model S&W, Colt, other .45 ACP revolvers.
Available Late January 2004

RIMZ 627-357 8 shot .357/38 N Frame revolver
March 2004

RIMZ 627-38 super 8 shot N Frame revolver
April 2004

RIMZ 686-7 for 7 shot .357/38 L Frame revolver
March 2004

prisoner6
November 13, 2003, 01:57 PM
Scott,

This is Jon in Charlotte, did you get the clip I sent you okay?

scott45b
November 13, 2003, 01:59 PM
Yes, it arrived safely. Thank you. We will start dimensioning that clip and comparing it to the other L frame clips after Thanksgiving.

Scott

tcdrennen
November 13, 2003, 02:16 PM
Hey, Scott -

Welcome to the form! I've already testified :D to seeing you and your clips in action at Prado and Iron Sights. You'll get some good connections here.

See you all on Saturday?

Tara Drennen

Atticus
November 13, 2003, 02:36 PM
Great idea! I'm in for 25...for starters.

scott45b
November 13, 2003, 02:50 PM
Thanks Tara.

I saw your post earlier. Just one clarification, I do not have any sons. The young man you have seen with us at our outings at The Prado Olympic Shooting Park is Sgt. Dan Short, USMC. Dan has been testing the new RIMZ 610 10mm/.40 cal for us.

We will be there on Saturday.

Scott

Mike Irwin
November 13, 2003, 03:19 PM
Buck a pop...

Hum...

I think I'll stick with the stamped steel ones that I get at gun shows for 20 cents a pop and let others do the product testing on them.

But, if you've truly got a better mousetrap, Scott, I'll be more than happy to stick my finger in it. :)

Every once in awhile I cut the crap out of myself on a steel moon clip, so from that standpoint polymer ones would be nice.

tcdrennen
November 13, 2003, 05:51 PM
Thanks Tara.

I saw your post earlier. Just one clarification, I do not have any sons. The young man you have seen with us at our outings at The Prado Olympic Shooting Park is Sgt. Dan Short, USMC. Dan has been testing the new RIMZ 610 10mm/.40 cal for us.

We will be there on Saturday.

Scott



oops! Well, neither you nor Dan should regret the mistake :o There is a resemblance, I thought. :D

Anyway, see you all then.

Tara

Tamara
November 13, 2003, 07:07 PM
As the owner of four moonclip-capable revos, I am watching this with baited breath.

I'm all about a better mousetrap! (Looks like I'm anticipating 12/03, 1/04, and 3/04 very much! ;) )

desmark6
November 13, 2003, 07:17 PM
This is a message in response to Mike Irwin's comment about them being a buck a pop. It might seem like a lot at first but when you figure in the fact that you don't have the additional cost of the tools for the metal ones or the replacement cost when they get bent (or as it sounds in your case the cost of band aids when you cut your finger! just kidding!) then it seems a lot more reasonable. You have to agree that the idea sound intriguing don't you? Shoot your favorite revolver without all the frustrations? Mike if you get a chance send me an e-mail.

desmark6
November 13, 2003, 07:25 PM
re1973,
I have done a lot of shooting with these new clips as well as durability testing. I even went so far as to leave them baking in the sun for several hours, put them in my freezer, intentionally dropped them from waist high loaded with rounds, kicked them into a wall and beat on them in assorted other ways that they would not normally be subjected to. I am happy to report that they stood up to everything I threw at them and performed after! Don't just take my word for it either, wait to see what the others ARE going to be saying about them, I bet it'll sound similar! Better yet, risk five bucks and see for yourself, you WILL NOT be disappointed!

JoeHatley
November 13, 2003, 08:51 PM
I'd be really interested in how these hold up over the long run. When someone gets a few thousand reloads though them, please post a review.

I normally pre-load up about 50 full moon clips for each range session, and these metal clips get used week after week, year after year. I'm a little sceptical plastic clips could hold up.

As an owner of 5 different 625s, I'd love to see someone come up with a "better mousetrap".

Joe

scott45b
November 13, 2003, 09:11 PM
If Joe loads 50 clips, thats 300 rounds for a range outing. That does not imply each clip shot 300 rounds, only 6 per outing. Using the RIMZ, we will typically take 4 clips and shoot 200 rounds per outing, or 50 rounds per clip per outing. If the product can take 8.3 times the punishment in an outing, I think it has done its job.

For a typical local IDPA match, 4 to 8 stages and 18 rounds per stage, (72 to 144 rounds) we will use between 4 and 6 clips. The bottom line is that RIMZ makes the use of tools unnecessary.

DDGator
November 13, 2003, 10:12 PM
How well are the rounds retained? I hang my moonclips off a cartridge loop. No problem with metal clips -- how about these? If they drop to the ground, will rounds pop out?

How aobut some clips for the 646 too?

Mike Irwin
November 13, 2003, 11:43 PM
Desmark,

When I got my 1917 4 years ago I went to the next gunshow and picked up 10 moon clips and a declipping tool.

Total price? Under $5.

I'm still on my original 10 moon clips, too. I haven't bent any, but I have lost a couple.

As I hinted at in my first message, I'm going to be watching how this develops. If the polymer shows good durability over long-term use, I'll be a convert and I know of a rather large group of pin shooters who will likely be VERY interested in them.

What I do like about the metal moon clips, though, is the fact that if you drop them they do hold the rounds clipped, which the polymer ones apparently don't. Granted, that's not a very big issue at all, until you fumble a reload during a bowling pin or steel match. :)

I apparently have one of these clips coming in the mail. Trust me, I'm going to put it through its paces, and if it's everything it's touted to be, I've also still got friends on the staff at American Rifleman magazine...

Idaho
November 14, 2003, 01:42 AM
Have I mentioned lately that I think this is a great website? I ask a question and in less than 12 hours the manufacturer of the product I asked about is posting replies, and in less than 24 hours there are 24 replies. Fantastic! I was actually asking on behalf of a friend of mine, but I am sure (if he has the right revolver - not sure what he has exactly), he will be ordering some soon.

farscott
November 14, 2003, 07:11 AM
While I tried the RIMZ for my M625 to get a feel for the product, I am really looking forward to the RIMZ for the M610. I have had a dickens of a time with full-moon clips for the M610. While I have never bent a clip for my M625, I have bent several of the S&W M610 clips while removing the empties. If the RIMZ for the M610 work anything like the M625, I will be very happy.

Hutch
November 14, 2003, 12:09 PM
I hope the market for 9mm clips is lucrative enough to justify whatever R&D is required to tool up for the S&W 940 and the Taurus 905. Y'know, there's more than just IDPA and pinshooters out there. I have no clue whether the same processes are applicable, but a moonclip belt pouch or holder would be kinda giggly as well.

Preacherman
November 18, 2003, 09:39 PM
Well, my Rimz arrived today, and I've been playing with them and a box of ammo. I can't take them to the range for a while, as I'm laid up with a back problem, but my initial take is very favorable.

They hold .45 ACP ammo fairly easily. If you drop them, the ammo (or at least some of it) will come out of the clip, but it remains next to the clip, so that picking it up is easy. The clips and ammo feed into the cylinder of a 625 easily. No tools are needed for loading or unloading the clips, which is a very pleasant change indeed! No sore fingers, either...

One minor drawback. My cats (who already like 1911 parts (http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?threadid=40638)) are absolutely fascinated by these new toys. They actually perk up their ears when they see me handling them, and watch attentively as I put them down - then try to climb on the furniture to get them! I guess I'm going to have to cat-proof my moonclip container... :D

Mike Irwin
November 18, 2003, 10:29 PM
Or de-cat your house...

Mine arrived last night. Been doing the same as you, don't know when I'll be able to get to the range.

scott45b
November 19, 2003, 12:55 AM
Glad the RIMZ arrived, sorry you can't get out to the range. When schedules don't allow me to get to the range, I have an alternative.

I recently purchased a box of the Speer Target 45 Plastic Bullets. Following the manufacturers instructions, I inserted the plastic bullet into a sized and primed EMPTY, no powder .45 ACP case. I added the "practice rounds" to a RIMZ 625 and went into the garage and test fired into a piece of carpet. I made sure to wear my eye/ear protection.

According to Speer, the velocity attained is in excess of 500 feet per second and can cause bodily harm up to 75 feet. It is not the same as being at the range, but it sure is fun. I'm going to try to set up some IDPA type targets in the garage and practice draws etc.

Mike Irwin
November 19, 2003, 02:06 AM
No garage, no desire to subject my dogs to the possible lead contamination or the noise...

One of the Rimz made a 24-hour trip through the deep freeze, followed by severe bending and folding exercises, unscathed.

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