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ctdonath
January 20, 2003, 05:02 PM
Having certain developing interests in Switzerland, I'd like to hear more...

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schild
January 20, 2003, 05:23 PM
It would be easier if their website was in English! Deutsch ist nicht zu gut.:banghead:

Zander
January 20, 2003, 05:43 PM
Good info, in English, at:

www.swissrifles.com

ctdonath
January 20, 2003, 08:10 PM
Interesting site.

Now how do I get me a SIG SG 550?

ReadyontheRight
January 20, 2003, 08:24 PM
I'm a member, but everything they send me is in German. I joined when I got a Swiss K31. I figure I'm helping a good cause and I get some cool stickers.

What better example of an extremely well-armed populace do we have?

http://www.waffenzimmermann.ch/sites/sig/stgw90/image002.gif

Sturmgewehr 90 - one in every Swiss home.

When the German Kaiser asked in 1912 what the quarter of a million Swiss militiamen would do if invaded by a half million German soldiers, a Swiss replied: shoot twice and go home.

ctdonath
January 20, 2003, 08:33 PM
Maybe that's the motivation I need to learn German! ;)

Khornet
January 21, 2003, 12:56 PM
from the eve of WWI:

The Kaiser is asking a Swiss militiaman what will happen when 500,000 Germans attack the 250,00 Swiss militia. The Swiss replies,"Shoot twice and go home."

4v50 Gary
January 21, 2003, 03:08 PM
I'll learn German & join if the Swiss would send me one of those cool Stgw 90 along with spare mags in the mail. :D Heck, I may even try to yodle.

BTW, can anyone tell me where Pont du diable (Devil's Bridge) is? Is it in the Swiss Alps, Italian Alps or what?

blades67
January 21, 2003, 03:31 PM
French Alps between Thonon and Morzine I believe.

Khornet
January 21, 2003, 04:07 PM
'La Place de la Concorde Suisse' by John McPhee

MicroBalrog
January 21, 2003, 05:08 PM
what is current swiss gun law?
How do they buy/keep arms privately (non-issued arms)?

mussi
January 21, 2003, 06:01 PM
Pro Tell is the Swiss counterpart to the NRA, with a bit of GOA mixed in.

Ownership: Most is still legal except:

-full-autos (need exemption permit and a safe)
-sound suppressors if bought after 1.1.1999 (or you have an exemption permit)
-full-autos converted to semi-autos need a safe and a special permit too

These exemption permits are given out by cantons and they have varying issuance requirements, but generally, if you can buy a gun and have a serious gun safe, you can get any "verboten" guns too.

Carrying is also up to the cantons, where mine is more liberal than others. In the French speaking part, short of having connections or working in a security company, you can forget about getting a carrying permit for a gun.

OTOH, lots of people carry and nobody cares too much.

Our local ilk of do-gooders and socialists want to reduce gun abuse, and I think most of the crowd gathered here knows what that means.

vitiaz
January 21, 2003, 06:52 PM
Sig-550 clone info,

http://alpinetek.netfirms.com/guns/SG55X/

:what:

Pretty pricey stuff.

mussi
January 21, 2003, 06:55 PM
I'm sure a few Americans will want to kill me when they know I got a semi-auto SIG 550 for (back then; due to exchange rate going down for Swiss Franc, they cost more for Americans now) 1200 US-$. With a brand-new barrel to boot.

another okie
January 21, 2003, 09:19 PM
McPhee's book mentioned above is good on the Swiss military system. The best general book on Switzerland in English is Why Switzerland?, by J. Steinberg. The Swiss Department of Foreign Affairs publishes an English translation of the Constitution, which is excellent reading. There is a book in the Osprey Men at arms series titled "The Swiss at War 1300-1500" which has excellent illustrations.

I became interested in Switzerland in graduate school and accumulated several books, but most are in German and French. If you read German, an excellent way to understand Swiss history better is to read the documents in Quellenbuch zur Schweizergeschichte, which is quite old but has all the eyewitness accounts of the Reformation, the civil war, and so on. Another of my favorites is "Es war halt Krieg", a collection of eyewitness accounts and memoirs of the the World War II period in Switzerland.

Khornet
January 22, 2003, 06:38 AM
is your developing interest in Switzerland attractive?

T.Stahl
January 22, 2003, 07:56 AM
I'm sure a few Americans will want to kill me when they know I got a semi-auto SIG 550 for 1200 US-$.

Not only Americans. :D

ctdonath
January 22, 2003, 09:08 AM
Khornet-

Yup! :D

ReadyontheRight
January 22, 2003, 09:29 AM
http://www.waffenzimmermann.ch/sites/sig/stgw90.htm

Sturmgewehr 90 PE "Classic Green" Fr.2790.-
Sturmgewehr 90 PE "Black Spezial" Fr.2790.-
Sturmgewehr 90 PE "Blue Star" Fr.2790.-
Sturmgewehr 90 PE "Heavy Metal" Fr.2790.-
Sturmgewehr 90 PE "Red Devil" Fr. 2790.-
Sturmgewehr 90 PE " Swiss Arms Edition" Fr. 3300.-

Does anyone know the conversion rate of Francs to US $?

http://www.waffenzimmermann.ch/sites/sig/stgw90/image008.gif

http://www.waffenzimmermann.ch/sites/sig/stgw90/image005.jpg

Lots of colors. When does the NFL team colors collection come out? I'll take tactical Vikings purple.

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