[clipse]

I am still on a quest for the perfect CCW weapon. I came across this before it came out and I liked it alot. Here is a picture.
http://www.czusa.com/product.img/28.jpg

I realize the rail is not that practical but, its sooo cool. :D


clipse

[Beav]

I have about 500 rounds through mine so far. No problems what so ever, I can only say that about a few of my handguns. Feels great in the hand and looks great, highly recommended. Gluck!

[PCRCCW]

Ok...regardless of what CZ says in its Marketing schpeel...the PO1 and PCR are the same basic gun. Slight differences...muzzle/rail/sights/LCI/etc.......
They are the same metalurgy, trigger/mechanicals etc..........................

Ive had a PO1 and a couple of PCR's...still carry one as my main CCW.

They are stellar guns. Between my PCR's, Po1 and Compacts...Ive EASILY gone through 30K rnds. My Custom PCR had alot of ammo through it thats was primarily +P & +P+...with no wear to speak of.

The PCR is a better CCW IMO and the PO1 a better night stand/duty arm.

The thinner muzzle makes CCW'ing it ALL OF THE TIME a much easier proposition.

Both are stellar guns...............get one..just be prepared for CZitis.
The first sympton is your wallet get thinner, just a little though and your shooting improves........:D

Shoot well.

[Handgun]

I had a PCR. I had read that the triggers were great. I saw one at a show that had a excellent trigger but did not have the money at the time. When I was ready to get one I had my local dealer special order me one. It had a horrible trigger. I got rid of it.

The lesson: Not all PCR/P-01 triggers are excellent. Make sure you can check it out personally before you commit to the purchase.

[DMK]

I thought about getting a PCR or P-01 for a while, but when you compare the dimensions side by side, the compact versions of the CZ-75 are not much smaller than the full size versions except that the compacts have a shorter slide length and the PCR/P-01 are slightly lighter due to the alloy frame.

From www.cz-usa.com :

CZ-75B MSRP $494.00
Length: 8.1 in
Barrel length: 4.7 in
Height: 5.4 in
Width: 1.4 in
Weight: 2.2 lbs

CZ-75 Compact MSRP $523.00
Length: 7.3 in
Barrel length: 3.9 in
Height: 5.0 in
Width: 1.4 in
Weight: 2.0 lbs


PCR MSRP $538.00
Length: 7.2 in
Barrel length: 3.9 in
Height: 5.3 in
Width: 1.4 in
Weight: 1.7 lbs

P-01 MSRP $569.00

Length: 7.2 in
Barrel length: 3.9 in
Height: 5.3 in
Width: 1.4 in
Weight: 1.7 lbs

[MoNsTeR]

Fantastic grip.
Cruddy trigger.

[Ky Larry]

I don't own a P-01 but I do have a PCR 9mm. It's the only gun I've found that I would consider carrying everyday instead of my full size Kimber.
1500 rounds so far and not a hiccup.

[jefmad]

I have to agree with MoNsTeR. I just sold a P-01 and although I loved the feel of the gun I just couldn't get myself to like the trigger. A LOT of creep in single action. As a defensive gun I would have confidence in it but it is no target gun.

[PCRCCW]

Bummer guys....the famous great CZ triggers come to these guns in 500-1000 rnds. My PCR was not like my old one.........nice. But now its as nice or better than my old one...............oh well.

Shoot well.

[jefmad]

PCRCCW,
I kept hearing that the trigger smoothed out after it was broken in, so I kept shooting mine. I had about 1500-2000 rounds through it when I sold it and the trigger was no better then than the day I got it. Its too bad because other than the trigger I though it is a well made dependable pistol that I liked.

[ExMachina]

I have shot a buddy's PO1 and, for the money, it's *very* sweet. Great ergos, compact, accurate, relable, etc...

If the trigger bothers you, a smith should be able to stone it smooth and you'll still be sitting pretty dollar-wise.

I have never tried to conceal it, but concealability seems to be a personal build/holster issue more than a gun issue anyway.

-ExM

[PCRCCW]

jefmad,
Good day.......you know, I do hear of that once in a while..but most of them do clean up....after a while. My PCR had 1000 rnds through it and it went from gritty to stellar. You can always get the trigger done....
CZ's with trigger jobs, as long as they are done right, as a trigger to behold. Plain and simple...............

Shoot well......

[Walt Sherrill]

Darn! Haven't any of you guys heard of TRIGGER JOB! Its not that expensive, and its a rare new gun that doesn't get one when I buy it...

Its a lot less expensive than selling a (now used) gun just because the trigger isn't smooth!!

I'd rather spend the money up front and ENJOY the first 1000 or so rounds.

[Espi]

I Love it!!
Just that the M-6 light seems to inch itself off with about 15 - 20 rounds of standard ammo. I sent the M-6 light back, they sent me a new one, but I still have the problem of it falling off about a mag and a half of ammo thru it.

Pablo

[CZSteve]

Hello clipse

Perfect CCW?

How about waiting for the CZ RAMI.
Received a general e-mail from cz-usa that the RAMI is in it's final stages of approval w/ the ATF and be out in a few weeks. (???, fingers crossed)

http://www.czub.cz/index_en.php

[Walt Sherrill]

Re: the RAMI...

First, you have to understand I'm a big CZ fan. I've got a pre-B 75, an 85 Combat, a Compact, a customized 75B SA, another Compact begin shipped as I type, and a second pre-B coming in a week or two in a trade. I've also had a CZ-40B, a 97B, and a 75B. I like 'em.

That said, some small guns in large calibers are literally and figuratively a pain to shoot.

The Kel-Tec P-11 was a great little gun, but the .40 version, almsot identical -- was a commercial failure. Folks just didn't shoot it as well, if at all. Lots of problems. (And a lot of satisfied owners, too.)

The small Glocks in .40 (in 9mm, even) are a problem for me.

The smallest Kahrs are OK, but I am putoff by the limited capacity. I find the .40 versions less pleasant to shoot than other .40s.

I think that will be an issue with the RAMI, too.

I don't have any confidence that the RAMI, however well designed, will be the perfect CCW gun for a lot of folks... It may or may not be fine for you, but I wouldn't put off buying a gun that is already pretty darned good in hopes of later buying one that MIGHT be good, when you can finally get it.

[Marko Kloos]

The P-01, and its rail-less fraternal twin, the PCR, are among the best compact CCW pieces available at any price.

[Sean Smith]

Trigger jobs are about $100, often less. Now, some folks may object to spending money on a gun to make it nicer to shoot on general principles...chiefly, being really cheap. But bear in mind that your gun is going to take a $100 hit to the value if you sell it used anyway. Basically, if you like everything about the gun but the trigger pull, your choices are:

- Sell the gun used, which is basically the same as throwing $100 in the trash can...
- Keep the gun, but have a crappy trigger that is harder to shoot well.
- Keep the gun, spend $100 to make the trigger nice.

With the first choice, you are just throwing away money. With the second choice, you have a gun that is harder to shoot well because the trigger pull stinks. With the third, you spend a little more and get a good trigger on a good gun.

[goober]

I am going to order a Kimber 10mm today. Since this pistol is on my wish list, I considered this thread an omen :). Going to order a P-01 also!!

The rest of my wish list includes a Beretta 92FS, Kahr T9, Kimber TLE/RLII, and a SIG P229.

Greg

[robctwo]

My P0-1 goes everywhere with me. Really like the Hakans grips.

http://homepage.mac.com/robcorl/CZ_pictures/PhotoAlbum34.html

[Handgun]

Walt Sherrill wrote:

Darn! Haven't any of you guys heard of TRIGGER JOB! Its not that expensive, and its a rare new gun that doesn't get one when I buy it...

Its a lot less expensive than selling a (now used) gun just because the trigger isn't smooth!!

I'd rather spend the money up front and ENJOY the first 1000 or so rounds.



Sean Smith wrote:

Trigger jobs are about $100, often less. Now, some folks may object to spending money on a gun to make it nicer to shoot on general principles...chiefly, being really cheap. But bear in mind that your gun is going to take a $100 hit to the value if you sell it used anyway. Basically, if you like everything about the gun but the trigger pull, your choices are:

- Sell the gun used, which is basically the same as throwing $100 in the trash can...
- Keep the gun, but have a crappy trigger that is harder to shoot well.
- Keep the gun, spend $100 to make the trigger nice.

With the first choice, you are just throwing away money. With the second choice, you have a gun that is harder to shoot well because the trigger pull stinks. With the third, you spend a little more and get a good trigger on a good gun.

I completely understand your positions.

My mistake was purchasing a PCR without having seen it first. I purchased based on Internet writings and my own past experience with several samples at gun shows. I thought "they were all that good" in the trigger department so I figured it was a safe bet.

I do not like to sink money into guns unless I know before I buy it that I will be doing so. That way it is factored into the purchase price. This was not the case with my PCR.

Depending on where one gets the trigger job $100 is the absolute minimum you can find in my experience, when shipping, etc., is involved.

My PCR purchase price plus $100 or more did not add up for me so I decided to sell the gun. I did not lose very much on the deal (less than $50 as I recall). Also, I was pretty sure that even if I had gotten a trigger job I still would have sold the gun. So instead of a $50 loss it would have been a $150+ loss because trigger job costs are rarely, if ever, recouped.

That's my story and I'm sticking to it. :)

[MoNsTeR]

Yes, but who actually knows HOW to do a trigger job on a CZ?
After a local smith botched a trigger job on my Baby Eagle (a Tanfoglio in IMI clothing) and charged me $85 to do it, my confidence that Joe Q. Gunsmith could be expected to improve a CZ trigger plummeted straight to zero. The only people I would even consider letting attempt a CZ trigger job are Teddy Jacobson ($150) and EGW (several months wait). And both of those would require shipping my gun, which I consdier more than a minor inconvenience.

[RBull]

I a not a gunsmith, but from my experience with CZ-75's the smoothness of trigger action is often affected by crude manufacture of firing pin block mechanism. Sometimes will be enough just smooth up the firing pin block plus the funnel surface and then let the hammer-sear break in by action. I never took the firing pin assembly apart myself, but have seen couple pistols treated this way and stoning the sear-hammer was not necessary after that.

[Sean Smith]

You might want to contact CZ's master gunsmith Mike about trigger jobs.

gunsmith@cz-usa.com

[wild billz]

The CZ po1 is the cover gun in the latest American handgunner, and has an extensive review. I own a CZ75B and like it, except for the small sights. From looking at the picture the PO1 would suffer from the same small sights. Other than that it would be solid and reliable, and probably heavey like a 75B

[Walt Sherrill]

Most of the gunsmiths I've done business with -- five different ones -- have been pretty reasonable. My local 'smith does most trigger jobs (not a full action job) for under $50. He smooths up the hammer/trigger/sear and it makes a big difference. ( live in mid-state NC, so maybe we've got a good deal going here.)

Mike, the CZ gunsmith, does a highly-recommended trigger job for around $100.

[PCRCCW]

Actually the weight of the PO1 is around 27 OZ. So its 5 OZ less than the steel compact and 7-8 oz less than the fullsize. They are very well balanced to shoot. My PCR and the PO1's Ive shot are softer shooting than most of the fullsize guns around.

Shoot well........

[Handgun]

Walt Sherrill wrote:

Most of the gunsmiths I've done business with -- five different ones -- have been pretty reasonable. My local 'smith does most trigger jobs (not a full action job) for under $50. He smooths up the hammer/trigger/sear and it makes a big difference. ( live in mid-state NC, so maybe we've got a good deal going here.)
I think you DO have a good deal going there. Don't tell the gunsmith though ... he may raise his rates. ;)

No wonder you get a trigger job on everything you buy. I would too at those rates. :)

[matthewdanger]

My P-01 has been totally 100% reliable and accurate (very accurate). Everyone who shoots it comments about how good the trigger is. It is light and slim enough for comfortable carry all day even with a cheap Uncle Mikes IWB holster. It is even better with a nice holster (like PCRCCW's fine holsters). The sights are good and were right on from the factory. At $408 NIB, I think it is pretty darn tough to beat.

I don't think you can go wrong with a CZ.