Just how accurate is a 9mm hi-point carbine?


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Motodeficient
January 7, 2010, 12:30 PM
Have the urge to buy another gun but don't want to spend a ton of money. Looking at the new style hi-point 9mm carbine at cabelas for $249.99. Is the really any more accurate than a 9mm handgun? How well would it do at shooting 75-100 yards out? Or is that not even feasible for this gun?

http://www.cabelas.com/p-0074754290816a.shtml

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Wahoo95
January 7, 2010, 12:37 PM
9mm carbines are much more accurate than handguns....not by function, but because they are easier to aim and get on target. The Hi Point is supposed to be pretty reliable and fairly accurate from all the reports I've read.

Motodeficient
January 7, 2010, 12:45 PM
Thanks for your response. It seems the carbine's limitation on accuracy would be a result the 9mm rnd itself?

TheBandit
January 7, 2010, 12:57 PM
my LGS has them on sale for $190-$210 so you might want to look around before paying $250

Motodeficient
January 7, 2010, 01:20 PM
no such luck in my area, local shops sell used guns for more than the new MSRP around here. Cabelas has a $20 coupon anyway bringing the total to $229 +tax

Tamlin
January 7, 2010, 09:34 PM
I had a Hi-point 995. Had to sell it to my brother when I moved to ********** (KA considers this gun to be an assault rifle. Yeah, go figure!) Mine was accurate as heck. Went back to AZ recently and got to shoot it again - it's still accurate as heck!

Geno
January 7, 2010, 09:41 PM
At 25 yards, off-hand and using iron sights, I can maintain 1 inch groups with mine. I bought it for close-in varmint behind and around the barn. That'll work.

Geno

W.E.G.
January 7, 2010, 09:44 PM
http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/84722/firearm_review_hipoint_995_9mm_carbine_pg2.html?cat=31


WWB 115 gr FMJ
50 yards 3" groups
100 yards 4.5 " groups

Fed 115 gr FMJ
50 yards 2.5" groups
100 yards 4" groups

Fed 115gr JHP
50 yards 5" groups
100 yards 7.75" groups

Fiocchi 115 gr FMJ
50 yards 4" groups
100 yards 10" groups (included 2 called flyers, group was 7" without flyers)

CCI blazer
50 yards 5" groups
100 yards 12" groups

Motodeficient
January 7, 2010, 09:46 PM
Thanks everyone!

ccsniper
January 7, 2010, 10:02 PM
+9mm has quite a bit of oomph in it at 100 yards. It would definitely make a good home defense rifle.

rangerruck
January 7, 2010, 10:35 PM
terrible mags, expensive mags, about 40-50 bucks a piece, and no hi caps.
look for somehting that does hi cap, or look at a beretta storm; i think they are the best carbine; short, light , handy, weatherproof, ambidextrous controls, you can also move controls to either side. Can be found for around 500, if you look hard enough. I once had a hi point pistol once....ONCE.

ccsniper
January 7, 2010, 10:53 PM
about 40-50 bucks a piece,

Where were you buying mags from? I ordered them straight from the factory and they cost 15 bucks apiece + shipping. total cost for 3 mags was 52 bucks.

phrogpilot
January 7, 2010, 11:00 PM
Have have a HP 995; I like it; crude, ugly, reliable and accurate overall. I also have a Keltec Sub 200 9mm; I would spend a little more and get the Keltec; super reliable, good looking, awesome for home defense as well as 50-100 varmints and, with the Glock 33 rd mags mine accepts, has trully awesome capacity.

briansmithwins
January 7, 2010, 11:09 PM
+9mm has quite a bit of oomph in it at 100 yards. It would definitely make a good home defense rifle.

Let's not get carried away here: 9mmP is barely noticeable on the chart that includes rifle ballistics.

I like my little 9mmP carbine, but it ain't a rifle by any stretch. Mine isn't a HiPoint but I can get 4-6MOA out of it with the short barrel. BSW

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y3/briansmithwins/IMG_5951Medium.jpg

rangerruck
January 7, 2010, 11:13 PM
that is dirt cheap for mags; even from the factory. Normally if you buy them retail, anywhere, even at gunshows, they are rediculously high. Still, the feed lips can be quite bad on these, easy to bend, and again, they are no hi caps.

joshuarwright
January 7, 2010, 11:17 PM
Do you have to be 21 to own one of these?

rangerruck
January 7, 2010, 11:44 PM
according to the Constitution, should only have to be 18.

briansmithwins
January 7, 2010, 11:52 PM
Do you have to be 21 to own one of these?

Depends on the state you live in. You may need to be 21 to purchase 'pistol' ammunition. BSW

chevyforlife21
January 7, 2010, 11:54 PM
no you have to be 18, im 18 and bought one a month ago. its funny you should make this thread i was just out shooting mine today, at about 40 yards mine shoots quarter sized groups with cheap pmc bronze ammo (i can lay a quarter over a 3 round group). rangerruck: i paid 12 dollars a peice for my two extra mags brand new factory (plus shipping). the dealer can decide if they wanna sell you the 9mm ammo that's a different story.

GRIZ22
January 8, 2010, 12:04 AM
My Hi Point shoots 3-5" groups at 100 yards depending on the ammo.

rondog
January 8, 2010, 01:20 AM
I have a HP .40 carbine, and bought my grandson a 9mm carbine. I can't quote group sizes, but they're both deadly accurate and a helluva lot of fun! And I wish people would quit bashing HP because they personally don't like them, and WTH is the big deal about hi-cap magazines? It only holds 10 rounds, so what? BFD, it's not a combat weapon. Get a few more magazines.

This is the very first target that I shot with my .40. Fifty rounds at an indoor range, I can't remember the distance, probably 15 yards or so. I got to the point I had to start aiming for the edge of the hole so I wasn't just shooting through the hole. It's an outstanding plinker! (come on, you guys knew I was gonna drag this photo out again....)

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b150/rinselman/guns/DSCN1764.jpg

ccsniper
January 8, 2010, 02:56 AM
Let's not get carried away here: 9mmP is barely noticeable on the chart that includes rifle ballistics.

I like my little 9mmP carbine, but it ain't a rifle by any stretch. Mine isn't a HiPoint but I can get 4-6MOA out of it with the short barrel. BSW

Oh I wasn't comparing it to say a .223. Just saying that it still has potential at 100 yards as a defensive weapon, though I can't really see how that could be deemed self defense....

bikerdoc
January 8, 2010, 06:47 AM
WWB 115 gr FMJ
50 yards 3" groups
100 yards 4.5 " groups

I do a little better with mine, still very acceptable from a 16 inch barrel.

Has gone bang thousands of time without a problem.

mcdonl
January 8, 2010, 10:05 AM
Ranger ruck, I will sell you mags for $25 a piece. How many do you want?

I agree with all that was said about a 9mm rounds performance. I have not heard or seen where any of the 9mm carbines are any better then the others. If you need more then 10 rounds in a magazine, then get a marlin camp or a storm.... but, as said before you will be at least twice as much for a used gun. But, you can get higher capacity mags which seems to mean a lot to a lot of people.

rangerruck
January 8, 2010, 11:12 AM
... that's okay, I had a Hi point once, that was enough.

Marlin 45 carbine
January 8, 2010, 11:29 AM
right much ditto phrogpilot. HP's are good enuff and from what I've read customer service is great. no hi-cap mags except some unknown make 15rd which should be enough if they're dependable.
the KelTec is made for +P ammo in the 9mm, in fact the manual recommends +P ammo. and reliable hi-caps are available. cost another 150 over the HP though. lots of accesories available to fit though.
the Germans, Finns and Israelis sure have used the 9mm to deadly effect, likely more killed with than any other pistol round.

mcdonl
January 8, 2010, 11:38 AM
Where I coyote hunt the average shot is under 100 yards... around 75 typical. Is the 9mm ok for this? I plan to use my SKS this year, but I like the handling of the 995TS much better, besides it has the rail for the light and optics.

rangerruck
January 8, 2010, 11:44 AM
I do much prefer the kel tec, and then the beretta over that...
of course, if you have an old marlin or ruger camp rifle, then that would
be very cool.

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